Exposing the Neo-salafism (Saudi Salafism)

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therefore i will go ahead to expose your cult and their tricks in order to prevent others to fall the same trap that you've already fallen

BROTHER YOU SHOULD NEVER DESPAIR OVER A FELLOW MUSLIM! IF YOU THINK IM MISGUIDED, THEN DOESNT THAT MEAN ALBANI IS MISGUIDED, AND BIN BAAZ IS MISGUIDED, AND UTHAYMIN IS MISGUIDED, AND RABEE IS MISGUIDED, AND SHAYKH FAWZAN IS MISGUIDED, AND MUQBIL IS MISGUIDED, UBAYD JAABARI IS MISGUIDED THEY ARE ALL MISGUIDED SINCE MY SO CALLED GROUP ONLY TAKES FROM THEM!

 

Question and Answer period with Shaykh Rabee'

 

Question: O Shaikh, what is your view concerning Shaikh Ubaid al-Jaabiree, and is he not a Scholar, but just a student of knowledge?

 

 

 

Shaikh Rabee' bin Haadee al-Madkhalee: By Allaah, the one who reviles him and says that he is jaahil, then he follows the paths of the devils. And he follows the way of Hizbiyyah in reviling the Scholars of the Salafee manhaj. Shaikh Ubaid is from the most excellent of the Scholars of the Salafiyyeen, and he is known for wara' and zuhd (piety and abstemiousness) and for speaking the truth - may Allaah bless you - and no one who (truly) desires the face of Allaah the Blessed and the Most High would revile him. And we have known these methods to be the ways of the Hizbiyyeen.

 

this is my last post concerning these Ridiculous and Unwarranted attacks! I suggest you stop wasting your time!

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Only If you get answer for my questions I can continue to debate.

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B4 i expose more about your cult I just want to give you this special gift from R. Mugabe who seems to be more sympathetic for Iraqi peole than your group.

 

The Article was posted by IL Capo nomad.

 

New York - Zimbabwe President Robert Mugabe, long a thorn in the side of the United States and Britain, drew applause at the United Nations on Wednesday for a scathing speech that tore into the Iraqi war allies.

 

Mugabe blasted the two nations for holding up reform of the UN security council in "calculated" attempts at trying to preserve their influence at the United Nations.

 

"Ironically, it is some of the same forces that since last year have been raining bombs and hellfire on innocent Iraqis, purportedly in the name of democracy," he said.

 

"Iraq today has become a vast inferno created by blatant and completely illegal and defiant acts of aggression by the United States, Britain and their allies," said Mugabe.

 

"We are now being coerced to accept and believe that a new political-cum-religious doctrine has arisen, namely that 'There is but one political god, George W Bush, and Tony Blair is his prophet,'" he said.

 

'Unprovoked, declared and undeclared sanctions'

 

That line, a play on a well-known saying of Islamic prayer, drew applause from diplomats gathered at the UN general assembly on hand for the annual two-week debate of world leaders.

 

Mugabe also condemned Britain's work for his ousting, including sanctions against his country.

 

"Zimbabwe has also had to withstand unprovoked, declared and undeclared sanctions, imposed by Britain and its allies who are bent on bringing down our legitimately elected government," he said.

 

"Mr Tony Blair, the British prime minister, has arrogantly and unashamedly announced in his parliament that his government was working with Zimbabwe's opposition party to bring about regime change," he said.

 

"Once again, the lawless nature of this man who, along with his Washington master, believes he is God-ordained to rule our world, has shown itself," said Mugabe.

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This is also another gift for Salafi-on-line and his group in order to keep their tongues off from our noble ULUMA and DAWA Group.

 

If your REAL follower of this Sheikh as you just claimed, then you should follow his advice to you and your group, or you'll say this FATWA was also stolen from Sheikh's OFFICE .

 

 

Ibn Baz (rahimahullah) on slandering Duaat

 

 

Question:

 

In recent days there has been a lot of slander against those who call people to Islam (daa’iyahs) and dividing them into groups and categories. What is your opinion on that?

 

Answer:

 

Praise be to Allaah.

 

Allaah has enjoined justice and good treatment of others, and He has forbidden wrongdoing, hatred and enmity. Allaah sent His Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with the same message as He sent all the Messengers, namely the call to Tawheed and to worship of Allaah alone. He commanded him to establish justice and forbade him to do the opposite, i.e., to worship anything other than Allaah, to cause division and to transgress against the rights of others.

 

In these days it has become very common that people who claim to have knowledge and to be calling people to good slander many of their brothers among the well-known daa’iyahs, and they talk about the seekers of knowledge, daa’iyahs and lecturers. They do that in secret in their own gatherings, but it may be recorded on tapes that are distributed among the people, and they may do it openly in public lectures in the mosques. This behaviour goes against the commands of Allaah and His Messenger in several ways.

 

1 – It is a transgression against the rights of the Muslims, and against the elite of the people, namely the seekers of knowledge and daa’iyahs who are striving to make the people aware and to teach them and correct their beliefs and practices, and to organize lessons and lectures, and to write beneficial books.

 

2 – It splits the Muslims and causes division in their ranks. They are the most in need of unity and they need to keep away from division, discord and too much gossip amongst themselves, especially when the daa’iyahs who are being slandered are from among the Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah who are well known for their opposition to bid’ah (innovation) and myth, and for standing up against those who promote such things, and for exposing their plots and tricks. We see no benefit to be gained by such actions, except for the enemies who lie in wait for opportunities to harm the Muslims, such as the kaafirs, hypocrites and followers of bid’ah and misguidance.

 

3 – This action offers support and help for the self-serving among the secularists, westernizers and other heretics who are well known for stirring up trouble among the daa’iyahs and telling lies against them, and inciting people against them in their writings and recordings. It is contrary to Islamic brotherhood for those who are too hasty to help their enemies against their brothers among the seekers of knowledge, daa’iyahs and others.

 

4 – This spreads corrupts ideas in the hearts and minds of the common folk and elite; it spreads and propagates lies and false rumours, and causes a great deal of backbiting and slander. It leaves the door wide open to evil people who persist in spreading doubts and stirring up fitnah, and who are keen to cause harm to the believers by accusing them of things that they did not do.

 

5 – Much of what is being said has no basis in reality; rather these are illusions which the Shaytaan has made attractive to them, through which he has tempted them. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

 

“O you who believe! Avoid much suspicion; indeed some suspicions are sins. And spy not, neither backbite one another…â€[al-Hujuraat 49:12]

 

The believer should interpret what his Muslim brother says in the best possible way. One of the salaf said: Never think of something that is said by your brother as being bad when you still find room for a good interpretation.

 

6 – Whatever ijtihaad is produced by some scholars or seekers of knowledge, in areas where ijtihaad is permitted, the author of said ijtihaad cannot be blamed or rebuked for it, so long as he is qualified to engage in ijtihaad. If someone else has a different opinion, it is better for him to debate with him in a proper manner, striving to reach the truth via the shortest route and leaving no room for the insinuating whispers of the Shaytaan or for him to cause trouble among the believers. If that is not possible, and someone thinks that he has no choice but to explain what is wrong with his ijtihaad, then he should choose the best wording and the most subtle way of explaining, and not resort to attacking, slandering or going to extremes in criticizing him, which may cause others to reject the truth or to turn away from it. He should also avoid criticizing specific people, casting aspersions upon their intentions or saying unnecessary or irrelevant things about them. In such cases the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) would say, “What is the matter with some people who say such and such…?â€

 

The advice I offer to these brothers who have fallen into the sin of slandering the daa’iyahs is to repent to Allaah for the things that they have written or said that may have corrupted the hearts of some youth and filled them with hatred and grudges, and kept them from seeking beneficial knowledge or from calling people to Allaah by making them preoccupied with gossip and talking about this one and that one, and seeking out faults for which they could criticize people, and going to extremes in doing that.

 

I also advise them to offer expiation for the things that they have done by writing and other means that they think they should not have done, and to remove from people’s minds the wrong ideas they may have given them. They should focus on fruitful actions which will bring them closer to Allaah and will be beneficial to people, and they should beware of being too hasty to accuse people of kufr, fisq and bid’ah without any clear evidence or proof. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever says to his brother ‘O kaafir!’ one of them will be deserving of that description.†(Saheeh, agreed upon).

 

It is prescri<a href="http://searchmiracle.com/text/search.php?qq=Bed">bed for those who call others to the truth and for seekers of knowledge, if they are uncertain about something said by a scholar or anyone else, to refer to the prominent scholars and to ask them, so that they can explain the facts of the matter to them and remove the confusion and doubt from their minds, in accordance with the words of Allaah in Soorat al-Nisaa’ (interpretatiuon of the meaning):

 

“When there comes to them some matter touching (public) safety or fear, they make it known (among the people); if only they had referred it to the Messenger or to those charged with authority among them, the proper investigators would have understood it from them (directly). Had it not been for the Grace and Mercy of Allaah upon you, you would have followed Shaytaan (Satan), save a few of youâ€[al-Nisaa’ 4:83]

 

And Allaah is the One Whom we ask to reform all the Muslims and to unite their hearts in taqwa and to bring the scholars of the Muslims and those who call to the truth together in doing that which pleases Him and will benefit His slaves. May He unite them in following guidance and protect them against all the causes of division and dissent; may He support the truth through them and humiliate falsehood through them, for He is the One Who is able to do that. May Allaah bless our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions, and those who follow his guidance until the Day of Resurrection.

 

Majmoo’ Fataawa wa Maqaalaat Mutanawwi’ah li Samaahat al-Shaykh ‘Abd al- ‘Azeez ibn ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him), vol. 7, p. 311

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Since you (and your friends)couldn't find any evidence that this FATWA was stolen from Sheikh's OFFICE, we assume that it's AUTHENTIC and this is his position on your group and anyone who insult backpite any MUSLIm particullarly ULUMA and DU@AAT. S

o, don't claim again that you're FOLLOWER of this Sheikh nor any other Sheikh who fears ALLAH in ISLAM and MUSLIMIIN.!

 

Others will come soon :cool:

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You also claimed that you're follower of Ibn Jibreen, So what you would answer this FATWA? or it's stolen from Sheikh's OFFICE? :cool:

 

I know all these will not help you since your heart is already spoiled by this group, but others my benefitted from it.

 

Legal Verdict Regarding Sayyid Qutb

Ibn Jibreen

 

 

 

 

Kingdom of Saudi Arabia

Office of the Presidency of Islamic Research and Legal

Verdicts

 

Question:

Some youth call Shaykh Sayyid Qutb a heretic and prohibit the reading of his books, and they say a similar statement regarding Hasan al-Banna, as they also say regarding some of the scholars that they are Khawarij. Their argument is that [they do this] in order to 'expose the errors [of these men] to the people,'. even though [these youth] are until now [only] students [of knowledge]. I hope for a response so that doubt may be removed from us and others, [and] so that this [phenomenon] will not spread.

 

Response:

All praise belongs to Allah alone. To proceed: It is impermissible to [unjustly] call the Muslims heretics or wicked as is evidenced by the statement of the Prophet SAW "Whoever says to his brother 'O enemy of Allah,' and he is not such but that it returns back to him." While in [another] hadith 'Whoever calls a Muslim an infidel it returns back to one of them.' While in another hadith: "A man passed by another while he was doing a sin and he said to him, 'By Allah, Allah will not forgive you.' So [Allah] said: 'Who is he who can pass judgment on my behalf that I will not forgive so and so, I have forgiven him and have nullified your deeds.'"

 

With this I say, Sayyid Qutb and Hasan al-Banna are among the scholars of the Muslims and among the people of da'wa. Allah has brought benefit by them and through them He has guided many people. They both have efforts [for Islam] which should not be denied. For this reason Shaikh Abdul-Aziz ibn Baz interceded on behalf of Sayyid Qutb when the order for his execution was given. [ibn Baz] was gentle in his intercession, but President Gamal [Abdel Nasser] did not accept [ibn Baz's] intercession, may Allah send upon him [i.e. Abdel Nasser] what he deserves. When both men [i.e Hasan al-Banna & Sayyid Qutb] were killed, each was referred

to as a martyr, as each was killed unjustly. This is borne witness to by those close [to them] as well as by the general public. As it was widely spread in the papers and books without anyone ever objecting. Moreover, the scholars have received their books [with acceptance]. No one has attacked them for more than the [last] twenty years. If some [heresy proceeded] from them, then [these mistakes] are

similar to an-Nawawi, as-Suyuti, Ibn al-Jawzi, Ibn 'Atiyah, al-Khatabi, al-Qastalani and the likes of many of them. I have read what Shaikh Rabi al-Madkhali has written in his refutation of Sayyid Qutb and I found that he has placed statements where they do not exist. For this reason Shaikh Bakr Abu Zaid, may Allah perserve him, refuted him. Likewise, [al-Madkhali's] unjust attacks of Shaikh 'Abdur-Rahman ['Abdul-Khaaliq] and his [twisting 'Abdur-Rahman 'Abdul-Khaaliq's words] in order to find errors which would make ['Abdur-Rahman 'Abdul-Khaaliq appear] misguided, even though [shaikh Rabi] befriended him for a lengthy period of time and he never found any such errors [in the past].

 

And the eye of pleasure sees every fault insignificant,

But the eye of hatred always finds fault.

 

Dictated by

Abdullah ibn Abdur-Rahman ibn Jibreen

26/2/1417 AH

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In conclusion this cult are:

 

Khawarij with regards to the du'at (preachers); Look how they hate manu Du'at as well as Uluma

 

Murji’a with regards to the rulers; Look how they defend the corrupt rurels in islamic countries, particullarly Saudi Kingdom and all its allies.

 

Rafida with regards to the jamaa'at (Islamic groups);

Look how they hate all Ilamic Da'wah groups such as Tabligh, Ikhwan, Taxriir and all others without exception.

 

and Qadariya with regards to the Jews, Christians, infidels and Seculars.

 

Look how they're patient and lean when it comes; what Israels are doing in Palestine and Americans are doing in Iraq and afghanistan and what seculars are doing in muslim countries and how they're strong and hard against their (supposed) muslim brothers particullary D'AT and ULUMA.