Somalinimo-on-steroids

[Kashafa]

Me, your recent 25 page thread was really a revelation. All in all, you come across as a brother with good intentions, but your starry-eyed hyper-nationalism (full-blown Somali-itis) is begging for urgent medical care. The doc will see you now

 

Maybe you can explain your version of Somalinimo to the Somali girl I met at the bus stop who's family members were shot dead. In front of her. She told me that fact, so casually, after I gave a nice feel-good Somalinimo speech 'We gotta go back and fix our country yadda yadda". Egg on my face ma tiraahdaa. Maybe you can tell her its no biggie, cuz the people doing the killing were Somalis, and by virtue of their Somalinimo, she should just forgive them. Cafsi iyo masaamax, nooh

 

Maybe you can explain your version of Somalinimo to my friend who as a kid, during the qax, went into the forest to take a leak and stumbled on Somalinimo Somalist Somali men (enough Somali for you?) taking turns raping a woman. He was 9. The victim's age? You don't want to know.

 

Meel fog maxaa uu aadee. Maybe you can explain your version of Somalinimo to SOL's Jacaylbaro who, again as a child, witnessed the shelling and ruthless bombardment of his hometown by the very same Somali National Army that swore to protect him. Or the Somali National Army that poisoned the wells of Bari after Yey’s rebellion. Here we have the Somali Army, the supposedly uber-nationalistic symbol, protector of all things Somali, carrying out the agenda of a dictator by ruthlessly attacking civillian areas under the pretext of quelling a rebellion. The rebel movements(self-styled liberation 'jabhads')also committed atrocities. What do all these entities, running around, committing atrocities left and right have in common ? A secular approach devoid of Islamic values, principles, and rules, which led to the atrocities committed and a systematic tribal agenda. So much for Somalinimo.

 

Maybe you can explain your version of Somalinimo to the children of the 11 scholar-shaheeds (ilaahay janada haka waraabiyo) murdered by Siad Barre (may he get from Allah what he deserves) Tell those children about unity, Somalinimo and how THEIR government, led by Aabo Siad, execueted their fathers for the good of the country and for Somalinimo. So they should actually be thankful to Mr. Guulwade for saving the country from the extremist wadaad terrorists who opposed the inheritance laws 'reforms' aimed at bringing Somalia in line with the modern world and casting off the shackles of 'Deen Carbeed'.

 

Oh and you might want to tell them that you support (or do you?) Aabo Siad decisions to throw the Islamic inheritance laws to the wall and make up his own, since he's the Aabahee garashada and all, na mean? Or the decree banning girls from wearing the Hijab ? What’s a few Islamic laws rejected in return for 'keeping the peace' and ‘midnimo’, sax?

 

Somalinimo aa ku waalatay. Hate to break it to you, but Somalis without their Islamnimo are wuxoosh , descending to a lower order than the beasts of the wild. What's that? You beg to differ? Mama Mia!! Ii sheeg sxbow, who are the people responsible for the killing taking place in my country over the past 30 years, both on the leadership and laymen level ? The CIA? The Jews ?, lol. Let me ask you a question, duqa. What walaal-tinio and Somalinimo is there between me and a jaat-chewing, chain-smoking clannist bum whose allegiance is to his 'Tol-ka' ? Forget that, answer me this. What walaal-tinimo and Somalinimo is there between me and macsharal Dhabo-dhilifs ? Somehow, I'm supposed to feel 'Somalinimo' towards them just because they speak Somali, wear a macawiis/dirac, and eat canjeelo with moos ? So that after that merry reconcillation conference in April(oops, June, double oops, indefinite timetable) we can all hold hands and dance to the Ethiopian national anthem under a Qurac tree. Lol. I don't know about you, dawg, but to me, they're worth about as much as a sewer rat. Hol’ up, I take that back. Sewer rats don't cheer on, or remain silent to, wholesale slaughter. To be more accurate, they're worth about as much as a dead Xabashi. Yup, don't think it could go any lower than a bloated Xabashi corpse.

 

Sxb. As genuine and noble your good intentions are (again they don't cash that check at the bank), your version of secular Somalinimo is corrupt, bankrupt, and extinct. Deader than the Dodo itself. No more Kacaanka. No more Guulwade Aabahee-garashada Siad Barre. No more orientation centers. No more Somali National Army where soldiers were forbidden to pray. What else do you expect from a soldier who doesn't pray and the only thing he knows about Islam is his name: Cumar, Cali, Cisman. Do you think his sacred Somalinimo will prevent him from killing, raping, looting, shelling, and strafing his countrymen ? Salute the Somali flag in the morning, and butcher fellow Somalis in the afternoon, in the name of good ol' Somalinimo, Qaran-nimo, and Dawlad-nimo.

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm not demonizing Somalinimo per se or the brave soldiers who were fighting against the Xabash in '77. No, no, no, my friend. I am a Somali and I love my country and my people, all of my people. Not because they're Somali, but because they're Muslim AND Somali. If a Somali chooses his 'Tol' or his warlord, or his region over his faith, it's rules and it's laws, then he's the one breaking his Somalinimo, not me. If a Somali becomes a Xabash-luvin' biatch, he's the one shedding his Somalinimo snakeskin, not me. What I'm demonizing is secular, dhabo-dhilif'ic, clannish, (add a few more adjectives) Somalinimo. What I call Somalinimo on steroids. The kind that is popular with Barre, Aideed, Yey, Gheedi, Riyalle and their cheerleadin’ apologists. I will not support, praise, or justify the actions of a dictator/warlord/skunk who MIGHT have done some good once upon a time, when that good came at the cost of a sea of human blood or going to Addis to get a stamp of approval from Suga Daddy Zenawi. Sayyid-ka didn't walk around talkin' bout "Somalinimo". In his book, you were one of three categories: Muslim, Gaal, and Gaalo-Raac. And he didn't distinguish between the last two. Legend has it that he tied the Gaalo-raac up and threw them in ocean. Alive.

 

The bottom line is this, yo: The only force capable of healing those deep wounds caused to the collective Somali psyche by tribal strife and clannish zeal at the hands of power-hungry qabilisto men, is Deen-ul-Islam and it's application in all spheres of life. Not that clan-tinged sacab-tuming 'Islam-nimo' of Shaykh' Sakhar/Yoonis and other scholar-for-dollars. Nor feel-good 'Somaliyoo Toosooy' hurrah fireworks. That's some superficial BS that means only mockery to the victims of 'Somalinimo'. Maskaxthaatha ka bixi that any other force, be it a grand reconciliation council, or fowr-bointi-fife, will be able to achieve the level of communal unity and rewrite the fabric of Somali society as happened in ICU-led Mogadishu in a few weeks. The ICU weren't superhuman creatures to be able to tame the hell-hole of Mogadishu and 70% of Somalia in a matter of months. Something the joint resources of the EU, AU, UN, US, and 16 peace conferences were unable to do for 16 long years . These men simply took the laws of Islam and applied it to the best of their abilities and understanding.

 

Do the same, you'll get the same results and even better. Do the same not, and I promise you, you will remain a refugee for the rest of your life. And you will grow old watching Addis Ababa summon her Somali eunuchs, one after the other, from Riyaale, to Cade 'Kuusow' Muse, to Gheedi, to their replacements, to do her bidding. By then, I hope you’re still not harping on Somali-nimo and the golden era of the Kacaanka. They say you gotta give a devil his due, so I'mma give Dictator Barre this much: The man was no dhabo-dhilif'ing snitch-b!tch and never bent over for the Xabashis. He had the backbone to pursue a pan-Somali foreign policy and wage war against the oldest Christian empire in Africa. A war we would have won, were it not for the Russo-Cuban-Yemeni-Libyan intervention.

 

You have seen with your own two eyes what happens when Sharia law is applied. Forget you, the international community has seen with their own eyes what happens when Sharia law is applied. The international media has documented what happens when Sharia law is applied. It is the height of absurdity to yearn for the ‘hanti wathaag’ age where your faith was suppressed and viciously combated.

 

Food for thought: Close to 500(maybe more) 'secessionist' thoroughbreds from Burco participated in the battles against the Xabash and their handmaidens on the grounds of Idaale and Diinsoor. They weren't bleeding for you, my friend. Nor were they bleeding for your version of 'Somalinimo'. I'll let you figure out what they were fighting and dying for. Let me give you one hint: They are more Somali and more Muslim than you and every single person who supports/ed Siad Barre as well as every single dhabo-dhilif who bleats seccionist on one hand and kills his own people with his own...oops, shiyeeet, almost said: his own hands, almost forgot that we're dealing with low-life cowards here... correction: and kills his own people with foreign hands. I-R-O-N-Y M-U-C-H. The 'Seccionist' is a Somali Shaheed(inshallah) and the 'Somalinimo''Dawladnimo' broken records are Xabash-luvin' munaafiqs.

 

Somalinimo-on-steroids-ow xaal qaado.

 

P.S. Ignore any rough patches, nothing personal, just writing all this ina hurry. I know you're against the TFG and are supporting the Muqawama so no need to defend urself there. Just chillax with the divisive anti-secession rhetoric and focus your efforts where its needed and where it counts. We’ve got a bigger dog to kill than secession. This particular dog looks like Meles Zenawi but barks like Abdullahi Yusuf. If you listen carefully to the barking, you’ll hear: Woof Woof Somalinimo Woof Woof Dawladnimo Woof Woof ‘peace and stability’ Woof Woof.

 

Woof Woof, yo, Woof Woof.

[Chimera]

If i had 35 thousand soldiers with the mentality of Me East Africa would be under my new Empire

[Kashafa]

^^ Yeah, um er Gamal Abdul-Nasser was saying pretty much the the same thing, DQ. The same rah-rah nationalist'ic lines. The same crap about Curooba(Arab-hood). The same failed attempts to unify with Yemen and Syria based on the weak ties of nationalism and blood. Right up until Egypt lost two humilating wars and a sizeable chunk of it's territory to Israel.

 

Yup, that shut them up pretty good. No more Arab-nimo crys after that.

 

Your only hope, as a Somali refugee/immigrant in the Diaspora, lies with Islam and not Somalinimo-on-steroids. The sooner you wise up the the better.

[Wisdom_Seeker]

Kashafa

 

Tell me what does nationalism has to do with the crime the people of the nation commit against each other. Americans commit crimes against each other every second, but at the end of the day one will not denounce his/her Americanimo because of the crimes a fellow American commits.

 

Somalis have committed horrendous crimes against each other for the past 17 years and so, however at the end of the day we are all Somalis and Somalia is our nation. Dividing and curving it into clan-fiefdoms won’t change anything or for that matter erase the vicious past. It will only create more division between the Somalis, something we don’t need. We should be doing the total opposite, merging as one, working together, condemning fellow kinsmen who are wrong and standing up for Somalia.

 

Some of Gedi’s and Yusuf’s clansmen have done something that is immoral, supporting criminals because of clannish motives.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Qof ayaa wareersan.

 

Soomaalinimo wey jirtaa, weyna jiri doontaa.

 

Dal iyo dad sokeeye isbaabiyo Soomaali ma ugu horeyn.

 

Ma haboona in la isku qaldo ama lagu wareero Soomaalinimo and a few stooges Xabashadda u shaqeeyo, oo dalkooda u horseeday. They have nothing to do with Soomaalinimo, and they will tell you that in secret. They are few power-hungry qabyaalad-worshipping individuals who absolutely have nothing to do with Soomaalinimo iyo Soomaaliya. They are Soomaali ku sheeg.

 

Baliis mar labaad, ha isku qaldin nimankaas waxmagaradda ah iyo Soomaalinimo.

 

Soomaalinimo haddaa rabtid, let your models be and take a look at Aaden Cabdille Cismaan [Aaden Cadde, Eebba cimri iyo caafimaad ha siiyee], look at Cabdirashiid Cali Sharmaarke [Eebba ha u naxariistee], Cabdullaahi Ciise [Eebba ha u naxariistee], Janaraal Daa'uud [Eebba ha u naxariistee], Xaawo Taako [Eebba janaddiis haka waraabiyee], Siid Max'ed Cabdille Xasan [Eebbe ha u naxariistee], look at the Aabayaasheena Gobonimodoonka ahaa: Cismaan Geedi Raage, Yaasiin Xaaji Cismaan, Xaaji Max'ed Xuseen, Cabdiqaadir Sheekh Saqaawadiin, Khaliif Huudoow Macalin, Max'ed Cismaan Baarbe, Max'ed Faarax Hilowle [Farnaajo], Dheere Xaaji Dheere, Max'ed Cabdalle Xayeesi, Max'ed Cali Nuur, Cali Xasan Max'ed [barduura] iyo Daahir Xaaji Cismaan Sharmaarke [Dhagaweyne] iyo boqolaalkii u geeriyooday, kumanaantii u dhaawacmay Soomaalinimo ee dagaaladdii kululaa ee Soomaali Galbeed.

 

Soomaalinimo dad ayaa usoo halgamay, u geeriyooday, maantana dadkee usoo halgameen ama faracooda inay aflagaadeeyaan waxee usoo halgameen waa ayaandaro weyn. Maanta few waxmagarado Soomaali ku sheeg Xabasho usoo hoggaamiyo dalka waa wax laga xumaado, laga murugooda. Laakiinse intee nagu jirto dhiig Soomaalinimo waligeen waa jiri doonaa, dalkeena waa xureyn doonaa iyo dhulkeenaba inta naga maqan, Eebba ha idmo.

 

Dadkaas haddee Soomaalinimo sheeganayaan ma'aha in Soomaalinimo loo gafo; Islaanimaba wey kula sheegayaan, mana arki adigoo Islaamka u gafeysid. Saa u kala saartay taas, about Islaamka iyo iyaga, u kala bixi tan kale, about Soomaalinimadda iyo iyaga, the few stooges.

[Emperor]

^Islaanimo is different from Somalino

 

One is faith and the other is Nationality

[Fabregas]

Sayid Mohamed Abdullah Hassan was probably one of the first Somali nationalists.......

 

But i don't buy the idea that "Islamnimo" and "Somalinimo" are inseperable. One could be an atheist, marxist etc and still be a staunch supporter of "Somalinimo".

[Jacaylbaro]

soomaalinimo is what we should consider our home ,,, ppl can be different and countries can be many too

[me]

Kashafa, I am glad you started these two threads. You have many valid points and I will answer your questions and reply to your comments as soon as possible for me (most likely caawa). I will also explain to you how I came to my conclusions and why I believe what I believe.

 

I hope that we can have an open, frank and fruitful discussion on our views and the positions we have taken in this struggle that we are in (or about to join).

[Paragon]

^^Lol. Who would brave to have an open discussion with you, me? You would all outlast all of us like duracel .

[Ibtisam]

Oh cool Check this one out, I think i found some hope in this place.

 

This cracked me up, hopefully ME will not run a hide or go round in circles, iimisaan joog kuulaah ME, lool, Another sit in for me.

[Baashi]

ME's case is robust. He opposes fragmentation for a reason. He said why countless times. He wants united, just, inclusive Somali state. Difficult goal yes but nothing wrong for advocating a noble goal. I can appreciate Kashafa's forceful, firm, and unshakeable stand in everything Islam. It's admirable position. The trouble is the very reasons (the ones he cited to impeach Somalinimo) that rendered Somalinimo null and void can be cited to impeach Muslinimo - Somali version. Somalis are not only Muslims in their mere chants of La Ilaha IlaLah but most of them will kill you if you display the slightest doubt in their faith in Islam. Yet they have violated every ayah in the good book and they are still doing all the examples Kashafa cited in his long write-up.

 

Now one can say they are not true Muslimiso. The UIC are the true Muslims. Well the bad Somalis are not true Somalis. ME is the true Somali.

 

Looking forward to calm, collected, and thoughtful discussion in the pipe. I urge SOLers to let them work it out. I trust that they will tackle issues, opinions, and arguments not the nicks or what each other siad in other thread. Start from stratch.

 

No cheerleaders in the mix, no doc-ka-yeeris. Let them have a go at it. It should be interesting.

[RedSea]

Originally posted by Kashafa:

 

 

Food for thought: Close to 500(maybe more) 'secessionist' thoroughbreds from Burco participated in the battles against the Xabash and their handmaidens on the grounds of Idaale and Diinsoor.

They weren't bleeding for you, my friend. Nor were they bleeding for your version of 'Somalinimo'. I'll let you figure out what they were fighting and dying for. Let me give you one hint: They are more Somali and more Muslim than you and every single person who supports/ed Siad Barre as well as every single dhabo-dhilif who bleats seccionist on one hand and kills his own people with his own...oops,

shiyeeet, almost said: his own hands, almost forgot that we're dealing with low-life cowards here... correction: and kills his own people with foreign hands. I-R-O-N-Y M-U-C-H. The 'Seccionist' is a Somali Shaheed(inshallah) and the 'Somalinimo''Dawladnimo' broken records are Xabash-luvin' munaafiqs.

 

Somalinimo-on-steroids-ow xaal qaado.

I am not Burcawi myself, but a good brother like Northerner might relate to that more than I have. Did I mentioned he was accused of not being sincere with his thoughts, food for thought.

 

Wisdom Seeker,

 

Those are good points. But mr. Kashafa is time and again trying to make us understand reality, priorities and we have to do first and act upon them. Mr. me throws accusation around more against Somaliland than he does against EThiopian invading forces.

 

 

Kashafa earns an applause and two thumbs way up for the effort.

 

 

Somalinimo on steriods.

 

Baashi

 

Saaxib,what exactly are you trying to say?

 

I sense that you are making excuses for the TFG or saying that the UIC wasn't a noble movement. Offcourse they weren't perfect, but they were the best chance of Somalia ever coming back on its feet.

[me]

I posted what I had to say on that reality check thread. If I get any time I will start posting in this thread too.

[RedSea]

No saaxib, you don't really have to. I mean, hadal haamo lagama buuxsho. Waxba waqtiga ha iska qaadin.