Booliqaran

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

So, I see, lately, SOL's favourite Political section catch phrase is resonating with, umm, 'loot' iyo 'bililiqo.'

 

Do you honestly want to talk about looting? Really, you do?

 

Hokey, let's talk about looting.

 

Let's, for real, talk about the real looting in the name of 'hantiwadaag' iyo 'danwadaag.' Let's talk about how C/raxmaan Jaamac Barre, Moorgan, Xuseen Kulmiye, Maslax Max'ed Siyaad and practically each person who had higher Kacaan connection have had some farms in the best fertile lands of Afgooye and beyond to Jubbooyinka.

 

Where did those best lands come from? They bought them? Oh, baliis.

 

Have you ever asked who owned [and owned here is the keyword] those lands before they were confiscated, appropriated in the name of the socialism? And how come it never went for the greater good of the public, but, ironically, individually owned?

 

Oh, let's talk about Xoosh and his [in]famous booliqaran prime estates at Wadajir [Madiina] discrict, all in the name of 'hantiwadaag' supposedly.

 

Oh, should we continue this looting, which seemingly seems to be the current past time of this section to continue? Do you want?

 

No, we don't. That was then. Soomaali people forgot and forgave, and moved on.

 

That is the other perspective. What many of you ignore or try not to know.

 

Nonetheless.

 

There are genuine concerns about some bililiqo properties in Soomaaliya and it needs a real dowlad with an own wasaarad u qaabilsan. Laakiin hala ogaado, the current looted meel walba inay ka dhacday since post-civil war, from Hargeysa to Baydhaba to Kismaayo. My own uncle's large property and baqaar were looted in Baydhabo in front of my own mother, who is his sister.

 

So maxaa Xamar loo daba taaganyahay marka? Xamar is the largest city? I understand, laakiin maanta ma'aha this flimsy, tenuous excuse in laga dhigto a central point where all other points are obviously exhausted because there is no defense, no other way, no ostentatious, no sugarcoating [to borrow this phrase from a Soomaali writer], nada, about what Xabashadda are doing in Soomaaliya currently.

 

Xabashadda, heck, are looting the whole country, while some of us meeshaan ku sugan guri ayaa la iga heystaa ku haayaan.

 

You can get your guri -- and kaligiina idinkama maqno -- back. It has to wait, though. First Xabash and their stooges needs to go. You need to support that, for you own guri kaa maqan's sake, hadaaba wax kale aadan ku support gareyneynin.

 

Do not think Xabash will free those houses for you while it is occupying the whole country and massacring masaakiinta. Ha iska dhaadhacsiin taas. Don't.

[Xargaga]

tell em miskiin . Bililqo Ayay beryahan halhays kadhigteen.

[Sophist]

Miskiinoow magacadii Aabahaa ma aad mudnid.

 

Hogaamiye ayaa lagaa rabey inaad noqoto, laakiin hade nina ninkiisa madhalo ayey soomalidu ku maahmaahdaa.

[me]

Hold up MMA, although you got points, allot of hardworking Somalis have lost properties in this war. What do you have to say about them? Why focus on niman gacanta lagu tirin karo waxay dhaceen?

 

Its unfair of you to focus on what few men did MMA.

 

Edit: the issues of the looted properties haven't been adressed for the past 16 years, why are they being addressed now?

 

Waa in lays cafiyo, wixii laysku leeyahayna laga xisaabtamo. Xabashidan waxay sameenayaan cid walbaa way aragtaa, lakiinse maxaa laga qaban karaa, hadii aan xaqa laysku raacsaneen?

 

Marka hore aan anagu isla xisaabtamno.

[DigibAc]

The fact that people were killed and their properties looted is not disputable. It's a fact that everyone agrees on. And it's an issue that must be address.

 

Another issue that must be addressed is what we are going to do about the xabash in the country. The xabash have military power, they have the support of the US, and they have Somali people that support them.

[Paragon]

Hmmm good topic, MMA. Time we face our demons. Now what do you call more than 21 years of systematic resource/opportunity allocation based on favouritism? 'Legalized and Wholesale Booliqaran', that is what it is.

[Ana_Juwa2]

Excellent idea for constructive discussion.

 

GD and a few other TFG supporters have exsausted this point in an attempt to legitimize the current attempt by the ethopians to colonizing somalia by installing the subservaint TFG.

 

Irrespective of the issue involved, in the end it can only be truly settled by somali's, if help can be sort from a sincere and informed outside mediator with no interest in somalia's domestic politics then great. But in the end somali's will have to tackle issues such as looted properties crimes perpetrated against groups of people, etc etc in a respectfull and courages way.

 

Somali's dont need leaders such as Geedi and A/Y who have displayed so far a distinct lack of vision, courage and a will to sacrifice for the beterment of somalia.

 

Just look at the boastfull assertains made today by Geedi after ethopian troops were shelling and destroying the city of mogadisho.

 

It was disgusting and disgraceful

[xiinfaniin]

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar:

There are genuine concerns about some bililiqo properties in Soomaaliya and it needs a real dowlad with an own wasaarad u qaabilsan. Laakiin hala ogaado, the current looted meel walba inay ka dhacday since post-civil war, from Hargeysa to Baydhaba to Kismaayo. My own uncle's large property and baqaar were looted in Baydhabo in front of my own mother, who is his sister.

I somehow missed this part of MMA's write up when i wrote my previous response...my bad.

 

The man has a good point indeed.

[XOG-ogaal]

MM AQYAARI........YOU HAVE GOOD POINT THERE, BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PICK MY UNCLE IN ALL PEOPLE AS EXAMPLE (YOUR FORGIVEN)

 

GOING BACK TO THE TOPIC

 

 

ME

 

 

Edit: the issues of the looted properties haven't been adressed for the past 16 years, why are they being addressed now?

 

BECAUSE OF PAYBACK

 

 

MY DAD HAD ONE HOME IN BERBERA AND NEVER SOLD BUT GUESS WHAT HE CAN't LIVE THERE PEOPLE OF HIS TRIBE

 

THE ONLY WAY TO RETURN THOSE PROBERTIES IS TO HAVE GOVERNMENT THAT IS WILLING TO LISTEN ITS PEOPLE AND RECONCILE WHAT EVER DIFERENCES THAT IS THERE

[Socod_badne]

I think everyone agrees most if not all of booliqaran from pre-91 to post-91 must be returned or justly compensated or other amicable solutions found. But lets not delude ourselves Somalia's problems lay more in it's gross underdevelopment and related socio-economic factors. No amount of returned stolen land will solve these underlying problems.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Originally posted by me:

Hold up MMA, although you got points, allot of hardworking Somalis have lost properties in this war. What do you have to say about them? Why focus on niman gacanta lagu tirin karo waxay dhaceen?

 

Its unfair of you to focus on what few men did MMA.

 

Edit: the issues of the looted properties haven't been adressed for the past 16 years, why are they being addressed now?

 

Waa in lays cafiyo, wixii laysku leeyahayna laga xisaabtamo. Xabashidan waxay sameenayaan cid walbaa way aragtaa, lakiinse maxaa laga qaban karaa, hadii aan xaqa laysku raacsaneen?

 

Marka hore aan anagu isla xisaabtamno.

Me, dib ugu noqo waxaan qoray, qaas ahaan baragaraafyada ugu dambeeyo.

 

It seems we might've practically agreed, only a minor point, which is Xabashadda. As long as Xabasha heysato dalkeena hooyo, who looted the whole country, taas la iskama indhatiraayo.

 

Those who raise this looting business lately as an issue are not sincere since they do know themselves for that. They do know inay ka ahayn caring about their nation and people, dal iyo wax ay ka tahayba midna ma jirto. They have exhausted any darn excuse to sugarcoat Xabasho's presence of dalkeena, thinking this bililiqo business of theirs will rejuvenate, while blindly ignoring the real maroodi in the room. I am sad you fell for them for now.

 

Addressing bililiqeystay properties is not for now.

 

The reason I brought back the looted national lands, farms, etc, in the name of 'hantiwadaag,' I brought this forth inay la socdaan that bililiqo inay bilaaban post-war. That bililiqo was state-sanctioned -- heck, state policy -- and as you wrongly alluded, were not limited to a well-connected "few men." They were not few men [or women for that matter], those names mentioned the first post were only given as an illustration.

 

Mass bililiqo in the name of state is worse than a privately bililiqeysi properties.

 

Yet, as I said Soomaalida had forgiven and moved on, oo taas lama dabasocdo, oo qof beertuu 30 sano kahor Kacaanimo iyo qabiilnimo ku helay soo celi la leeyahay ma jiro.

 

It was a reminder to those who may not like to acknowledge this known knowledge about plundering of our natural resources the former regime.

 

And lest you misunderstood again: No, I am not -- and never am -- condoning those who bililiqeystay dad xoolahooda iyo maalkooda si xalaal ku shaqeystay, be it guri, baabuur iyo wax kale.

 

Yes, they are some who ka dhigtay 'xalaal' waxaas ay bililiqeysteen. I had seen them on my own eyes in Xamar 2003. I condemn those, regardless meeshee ka bililiqeysteen.

 

Taas oo tahay, mar labaad aan ku celiyee, maanta dalkii la heysto in laga hadlo ma'aha.

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YOU HAVE GOOD POINT THERE, BUT YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO PICK MY UNCLE IN ALL PEOPLE AS EXAMPLE (YOUR FORGIVEN)

Xogogaal, yaa waaye adeerkaa? Xoosh?

 

If he is, he doesn't need your defense. Does he still live in Virginia?

[me]

MMA,

 

Like you said we agree on the main issues, what I am saying is.

 

Why did it take 16 years for the issues of the looted properties to be addressed?

 

And my point here is as long as the sticky points are not adressed, we can't move forward.

 

Issues that need to be addressed are:

 

-The events in 1988/1989 in the North.

-The killings in 1991

-The events in the death triangle in the 90's

-The looting that happened through out the country.

 

Waa in laysla xisaabtamo, then we can move forward.

 

These stooges have a point when they talk about the looted properties, so this is a great opportunity to take the wind out of their sails.

 

It has been 16 years now and allot of people are waiting for their properties, the resistance should address these issues.

 

So the stooges have a point when they talk about the looted properties, so its the turn of the resistance to tell the people what their plans are for the nation.

 

The resistance shouldn't be only men with guns, they should tell us where do they want this country going? What programme do they have except lets kick out the Ethiopians?

 

I am all for fighting the Xabashis, but the basis for a united resistance should be made and the basis for a viable resistance against the xabashis is facing our demons and genuinly moving forward.