Zaylici Posted March 4, 2005 What fascinates me the most about tribal politics in general is the propensity for ethnocentrism: to always take a position that is favorable to your clan, only this tendency never fails, perhaps, there is real biological force behind it, how else can we explain it, Abdullah sheikh, it is argued is spy, others no he is not, he is credible person, both sides, as usual fail to grasp what is obvious: the document displayed depicts DDR, which stands for disarmament demobilization and reintegration’s, a concept or rather tool which is very popular in post-conflict societies. If so, the document cannot bea map of invasion, but rather a map of locations and means of organizing militia; consequently, the argument of the former spokesman of USC/SSA is questionable, on the other hand, why Mogadishu websites exaggerated this proposition, I think they did so as to talk about something they were unable to talk about; why Mogadishu was not given the privilege that it used to have, why did the president and his prime minister fail to visit Mogadishu, why other cities, since the question lacks an answer, they assume the worst case scenario; they are planning to attack us; they are planning to isolate Mogadishu and so on, under this worst case assumption, every thing whether it is true or not, would be exaggerated to support their worst case scenario hypothesis; namely they are about to attack us, such assumption seems to be a reasonable if one were to believe that his survival is at stake; moreover, systematic exaggerations of rumors is intended to be used as instrument to mobilize a fighting force that can be deployed, in case the possibility of deploying a Ethiopian army in Somalia becomes a reality. Is this explanation pluasible or another explanaiton that becomes a victim to what it was fighting against. This is what ethnic conflict theorists tell us; they say, socialists, liberals, attemp to refrain from ethnic politcs, only later to degenerate into ethnic romantics,:Acuudi Bilaah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Libaax-Sankataabte Posted March 4, 2005 One must marvel at the quickness with which the Mogadishu media showcased Sheikh's rather silly map, passed it through the fire of tribal politics and transmuted into an "imminent invasion" of Mogadishu by the Amxaaros. lol Just an imaginary story. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted March 4, 2005 What's interesting is Ethiopia neither has the military capabilities nor the political will to "officially" enter Somalia past border regions much less invade the capital at the behest of the government. Like I have been saying, maybe this constant onslaught of "the Ethiopians are coming (!)", "foreign troops are coming (!) will do the trick in uniting the Somalis for good. Where that to happen, I can't predict what effect that would have on Abdulahi Yusuf's transitional gov. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macalimuu Posted March 4, 2005 my two cents on this!... http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2005/42977.htm - definitely this buys me a time to re-group and re-tort...to a subdual proclivity of ..... - to attend to some negelcted vocation of mine... Movies!!! palsy passion! - out of the fiddle-faddle family fued ! http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2005/42977.htm Press Statement Richard Boucher, Spokesman Washington, DC March 3, 2005 Somalia: Restoration of Governance The United States values the leadership of the Inter-Governmental Authority on Development and the African Union in establishing the Transitional Federal Government of Somalia. The United States strongly supports the establishment of a functioning central government in Somalia capable of bringing the Somali people out of this long period of civil conflict and addressing the international community’s concerns regarding terrorism. The Transitional Federal Government is now at a crossroads. We urge the Transitional Federal Government to quickly address the challenging tasks of relocating to Somalia and beginning a gradual process of establishing effective governance. The Transitional Federal Government can only establish legitimacy within Somalia through a process of peace and reconciliation, not through force of arms. The Transitional Federal Government can only succeed with the full support of the Somali people through the establishment of national administration and provision of services to the Somali people. We hope the Transitional Federal Government will reach out to all Somalis, religious or secular in orientation, who disavow the use of violence. The United States shares the concerns of the international community and many Somalis regarding the introduction of foreign troops into Somalia. The African Union and Inter-Governmental Authority on Development would likely play an important role in a peace support mission for Somalia at the appropriate time. Such a mission, however, must be carefully evaluated and have the support of the Somali people. In order to support this process, all nations must honor the United Nations arms embargo for Somalia. Somalia’s neighbors have legitimate national interests that are best protected by the successful establishment of a stable and effective central government in Somalia; however, any external force should exclude troops from those countries. To include troops from neighboring countries at this time could pose an insurmountable obstacle to the Transitional Federal Government’s ability to gain the support and trust of the Somali people due to the perception within Somalia that some neighboring countries may be biased towards one or more elements of the Transitional Federal Government. We urge all Somalis involved in the creation of a new Somali government to focus on the needs of the Somali people while respecting the peace, governance and security that exists in areas not currently participating in the reconciliation process. We hope all Somali participants will continue their efforts towards the reestablishment of effective governance in Somalia through a sustained process of reconciliation and dialogue. It is in the interest of the international community to support the establishment of regional stability and the peaceful return of governance to Somalia. ### 2005/278 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
macalimuu Posted March 4, 2005 - trekking to Guban to Mareeg to qoryo to qansax - - i see some stash - http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/GC03Dj02.html SPEAKING FREELY The oil factor in Bush's 'war on tyranny' By F William Engdahl [..] Sudan, as noted, has become a major oil supplier to China, whose national oil company has invested more than US$3 billion since 1999 building oil pipelines from southern Sudan to the Red Sea port. The coincidence of this fact with the escalating concern in Washington about genocide and humanitarian disaster in oil-rich Darfur in southern Sudan is not lost on Beijing. China threatened a United Nations veto against any intervention against Sudan. The first act of a re-elected Dick Cheney late last year was to fill his vice-presidential jet with UN Security Council members to fly to Nairobi to discuss the humanitarian crisis in Darfur, an eerie reminder of defense secretary Cheney's "humanitarian" concern over Somalia in 1991. Washington's choice of Somalia and Yemen is a matched pair, as a look at a Middle East/Horn of Africa map will confirm. Yemen sits at the oil-transit chokepoint of Bab el-Mandap, the narrow point controlling oil flow from the Red Sea with the Indian Ocean. Yemen also has oil, although no one yet knows just how much. It could be huge. A US firm, Hunt Oil Co, is pumping 200,000 barrels a day from there but that is likely only the tip of the find. Yemen fits nicely as an "emerging target" with the other target nearby, Somalia. "Yes, Virginia," the 1992 Somalia military action by George Herbert Walker Bush, which gave the US a bloody nose, was in fact about oil too. Little known was the fact that the humanitarian intervention by 20,000 US troops ordered by father Bush in Somalia had little to do with the purported famine relief for starving Somalis. It had a lot to do with the fact that four major US oil companies, led by Bush's friends at Conoco of Houston, Texas, and including Amoco (now BP), Condi Rice's Chevron, and Phillips, all held huge oil-exploration concessions in Somalia. The deals had been made with the former "pro-Washington" tyrannical and corrupt regime of Mohamed Siad Barre. Siad Barre was inconveniently deposed just as Conoco reportedly hit black gold with nine exploratory wells, confirmed by World Bank geologists. US Somalia envoy Robert B Oakley, a veteran of the US mujahideen project in Afghanistan in the 1980s, almost blew the US game when, during the height of the civil war in Mogadishu in 1992, he moved his quarters on to the Conoco compound for safety. A new US cleansing of Somali "tyranny" would open the door for these US oil companies to map and develop the possibly huge oil potential in Somalia. Yemen and Somalia are two flanks of the same geological configuration, which holds large potential petroleum deposits, as well as being the flanks of the oil chokepoint from the Red Sea. [..] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coloow Posted March 4, 2005 Horn, the nation known as somalia is so weak that even little Djibouti could invade it within a week. The reality is that most of the warlords command a few tanks, a few qaad addicts and a dozen armoured vehicles and they are so powerful that they are holding millions hostages. Ethiopian politicians have the will to kill off somalia (they have already crippled it by providing small arms to various warlords). It has the power to invade somalia by proxy; Strategically, they could support only one warlord. Give him an extra donation of tanks, a few helicopters and logistics and before you know it the warlord and his soldiers are dancing on bonfire in afgooye. Zaylaci, we have the bush telegraph (and unfortunately, suffocated on the newsfront before, our people love stories of kutiri-kuteen! An emprical illustration is this board where people copy and paste every move of the president, every move of the parliament, every word of sick warlords, every lie said by a tribal chieftain without digesting the contents. The same applies to how we percieve success; Small villages that are hardly inhabited are portrayed as metropols; Thugs are called presidents, ministers, generals, doctors etc. Tribal militias are refered to as "ciidamo". Skirmishes based on tribal fights are termed as WARS. The story of "abdullahi sheikh" illustrates my above points: On the one hand, on several mogadishu based websites, this dude was reported to have been arrested: He was targeted because he belonged to the wrong tribe. On the other hand in several puntland based websites, the story was given another dimension: The most funny one was : Ciidamada nabadsugida (wardoonka) ayaa xabsiga u taxaabey nin aay ugu shakiyeen jaajusnimo. Two things: Firstly, it is questionable whether the guy was part of a fact finding mission.Secondly, the notion of ciidamo "wardoon2 nabadsugid is a blatant lie. There exists no such thing as ciidamada wardoonka. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites