The bad elements within the ICU are slowly being pushed away

[Cumar]

Once the bad elements have been fully eradicated, and the qabiil-based revenge attacks have been solved instead of fooling the public that they're being "investigated" ICU might be worthy of support.

 

Yuusuf Indho-cadde iyo Maxkamadaha oo qarka u saaran inay isku dhacaan, iyo Yuusuf Indho-cadde oo ka baxay Muqdisho

 

Muqdisho (PP) - Maamulka Maxkamadhaa Midoobay ee Muqdisho iyo Yuusuf Indho-cadde ayaa la sheegay inay isku khilaafsan yihiin joojinta jaadka iyo cunistiisa, waxaana Yuusuf Indho-cadde uu diiday in jaadka la joojiyo.

 

Warar hoose oo ay puntlandpost ka heshay xubno ku dhowdhow mas'uulka dhanka Ammaanka u qaabilsan Maxkamadaha Yuusuf Indho-cadde ayaa waxay sheegayan in Yuusuf Indho-cadde uu si dhab ah uga hor caddeeyay Madaxda Maxkamadaha in jaadka la joojiyo.

 

mas'uuliyiintaan oo diiday in magacyadooda la xuso ayaa waxay sheegeen in Yuusuf Indho-cadde uu qorsheynayo in gobolkii uu madaxda ka ahaa ee Shabeelada Hoose uu dib ugu laabto isla markaana uu isaga baxo howlaha Maxakamadaha.

 

Arrintaan oo ah khilaaf soo cusboonaaday una dhexeeyay maxkamadaha iyo Yuusuf Indho-cadde ayaa warar ay shacabka Reer Muqdisho isla dhex marayaan waxay sheegayaan in laga yaabo inay dagaallo isaga horyimaadaan.

 

Yuusuf Indho-cadde ayaa haatan ka maqan Magaalada Muqdisho; waxaana magaalada uu ka baxay isagoo careysan sida ilo ku dhow-dhow Maxkamdaha ay tibaaxayaan, waxaana si dhab ah aysan u garanayn Madaxda Maxkamaduhu halka uu dhab ahaan u abbaaray Yuusuf Indho-cadde.

 

Khilafkaan ayaa wuxuu sababi karaan isku dhac fudud oo dhex mara Maxkaamdaha iyo Yuusuf Indho-cadde waxaa isku dhacaan uu saameyn ku yeelan karaan howlaha nabadgalyo ee ay wadaan Maxkamadaha Midoobay.

 

http://www.puntlandpost.com/newspage.php?articleid=6635

[Abu-Salman]

Akhi, concerns about the bad elements in the courts are quite legitimate as well as the vital necessity of avoiding tribal revenges.

 

In fact, ICU's leadership grasp these priorities better than anyone of us.

 

However, apart from the evil legacies endemic within us, the courts face a much greater evil which is outright defeat by the cartel of crime(foreign invaders,warlords,TFG, Western propaganda, Cade's administration ect).

 

This is by no means an easy tasks to navigate with all these swords of damocles placed on their heads and with only poorly disciplined recruits to face multiple agressions.

 

That is why we should all be more concerned about their succes in such critical times for Islam (as should be every coherent Muslim)than with the inevitable death of some of our misguided kinsmen...

[Cumar]

Originally posted by Djib-Somali:

Akhi, concerns about the bad elements in the courts are quite legitimate as well as the vital necessity of avoiding tribal revenges.

 

In fact, ICU's leadership grasp these priorities better than anyone of us.

 

However, apart from the evil legacies endemic within us, the courts face a much greater evil which is outright defeat by the cartel of crime(foreign invaders,warlords,TFG, Western propaganda, Cade's administration ect).

 

This is by no means an easy tasks to navigate with all these swords of damocles placed on their heads and with only poorly disciplined recruits to face multiple agressions.

 

That is why we should all be more concerned about their succes in such critical times for Islam (as should be every coherent Muslim)than with the inevitable death of some of our misguided kinsmen...

Salamu Calaykum Walaal

 

Unfortunately, your perception on the whole current affair seems a bit simplistic akhi and the issue is not black and white. It is not Islam against [insert word], rather the issue has elevated to a whole new scenario. Culumaa'udiin are divided on this issue while some are anti-ICU and others are in favour of the ICU. However, their consensus is the implementation of the Sharii'iax throughout the country. ICU seems to be rushing with hasty decisions and seeking confrontation with peaceful regions. They should cease and desist and spend their resources on the people who are in dire need of help. These confrontations create mass exoduses, forcing the already starved inhabitants to leave their area and seek shelter in a kafir country under harsher condition. I still greatly admire some of the shuyukh of the ICU such as Sheikh Sharif Sheikh Axmed, Sheikh Dahir Aweys and Sheikh Abu Mansuur but until they continue to operate with individuals who have different un-islamic agenda in the organization and rethink their hasty decisions, my support for them will be minimum. Not anyone who masquerades with the flag of al-Islam gets the approval seal. The position of Ahlus-Sunnah wal-Jamaac is to judge what is in accordance with Islam and reject and condemn what is against Islam. My position is in accordance with the Culumaa'udiin of CaabudWaaq and Puntland and that is to the implementat the Sharii’iax without any interference of any outside force.

[Abu-Salman]

Of course, Shariah must be implemented at the local level without any interference; that has always clearly been ICU's policy.

 

Likewise, military actions should be strictly limited to self-defence and prevention of any invasion, hence the crucial necessity of securing Kismayo against IGADSOM and TFG renegats.

 

Barre Hirale was playing with fire by accepting his nomination as pseudo defence minister for the troyan horse; thus some elements inevitably forced the hand of the more prudent ICU leadership when his troops left our third city which is after all a Somali city whose inhabitants welcomed the Islamic courts and declared their own administration.

 

Cade's militias agression was wisely dealt with again by the leadership; all this testify in favor of the courts...

[Allamagan]

I hope they do eradicate all the smelly ellements within the ICU. and you will see all walks of the somalis welcoming the new UIC. Insha'Allah soon!

[Cumar]

Originally posted by Djib-Somali:

[QB] Of course, Shariah must be implemented at the local level without any interference; that has always clearly been ICU's policy.

Djib-Somali , forget the written policies walaal. We deduct conclusions based on the actions. I firmly believe that the ICU presently acknowledges and affirms courts that they have built instead of independent courts who rule with the Qur'an and the Sunnah. For instance, Bulled Xawo has already got an court system that is based on Islam (see: http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=007146#000000) and yet the Courts are determined to invade the region to disrupt its peace. Puntland has now an agreement with its culema in impelementing the Sharii'ax alxamdullilah and if the ICU do not retreat their forces then best believe puntland culema will call Jihad against them which again leads to more conflict. It is a detestable action to invade a peaceful region that will cause mayhem and unnecessary provocation. Read Imam ad-Dhahabi's volumes on the biographies of the past culema and how they viewed invasions and rebellions.

 

Likewise, military actions should be strictly limited to self-defence and prevention of any invasion, hence the crucial necessity of securing Kismayo against IGADSOM and TFG renegats.

Please ya please walaal, do not ever re-iterate that pretext again for the sake of your own credibility. Some individuals who have absorbed that baseless excuse have repeatedly re-iterated only to be refuted by the ICU officials themselves In fact, Sheikh Xassan Dahir Aweys talks about in his latest q/a session where he praised Barre Hiiraale and said that the man is known to be firm in opposition against foreign troops not to mention that Sheikh Abu Mansuur himself has said the exact same thing a few weeks after the capture of Kismayoo. Please read the thread entitled 'Unfound accusations against Col. Barre Hiiraale'.

 

Barre Hirale was playing with fire by accepting his nomination as pseudo defence minister for the troyan horse; thus some elements inevitably forced the hand of the more prudent ICU leadership when his troops left our third city which is after all a Somali city whose inhabitants welcomed the Islamic courts and declared their own administration.

Walaalow, the one thing that that really annoys me is unsubstantiated claims. We all know that during the first week after the peace has been disrupted; major demonstrations were staged which resulted in to the death of a teenager. What bothers me is not the demonstrations, in fact, if the city was taken by force for a justified Islamic reason, then by all means I fully condone it. But what bothers me is the illegimate takeover (which is xaraan) of a peaceful city where daily clan feuds were eradicated and had finally achieved peace. Col. Barre Hiiraale had to turn on some of his close relatives to give the required justice [again refer to my previous]. By taking over the city, thousands were forced to flee, a few demonstrators were killed, it has increased animosity and damaged the reputation of the ICU. Remember that there is a methodology for everything in Islam, and the best methodology is the methodology of the salaf.

 

Salamu Calaykum

[Gabbal]

Excellent analysis Salaymaan.

[Ahmed_Guree]

^ how excellent indeed for the clan court in bula Xawo to be porous to Ethiopian forces.

[Gabbal]

^Who doesn't have a clan court?