Al-Shabab are a bunch of Munaafiquun

[NGONGE]

Originally posted by B_G:

Ngonge, nagada smartypantska!

 

My Question directly relates to Munafiqeen, Shabab and the Ayat which was presented as evidence for the claim which was made. The one who calls people Munafiq and deviant should be able to defend their own Aqeedah and political views. Imagine if somebody came on the forum posting articles about the ill effects of smoking; but then posted articles about how good it is to smoke Weed? The people would say: how can you believe smoking cigarettes is bad, but weed is good? no>? or is that a bad example?

Very bad example. Don't let Xiin and others mislead you, saaxib.

 

Deal with the topic and once you've done that you are free to question the author's beliefs.

[Fabregas]

The response to the topic at hand is indeed very simple:

 

1. Killing innoncents in Jihad doesn't neccesarily equate to being a munafiq.

 

2. The Mufasireen of the Quran say that those ayat relate to hypocrites who outwardly and inwardly fought against the Prophet.

 

Thus, I'm saying those Ayat are to me the epitome of a typical Xabashi-Warlord cheerleader(except if they are ignorant and have no knowledge). I'm not interested in the beliefs of the author, per se, rather I'm saying those ayat he posted are more applicable to other side( occupation cheerleaders club). Even, if you are right- why the silence? :cool it is not exactly a baffling question, is it?

 

Again, I post the Tafsir of the ayat for anyone that doesn't see the link:

 

quote :Ibn Jarir said, "The hypocrites commit mischief on earth by disobeying their Lord on it and continuing in the prohibited acts. They also abandon what Allah made obligatory and doubt His religion, even though He does not accept a deed from anyone except with faith in His religion and certainty of its truth. The hypocrites also lie to the believers by saying contrary to the doubt and hesitation their hearts harbor. They give as much aid as they can, against Allah's loyal friends, and support those who deny Allah, His Books and His Messengers. This is how the hypocrites commit mischief on earth, while thinking that they are doing righteous work on earth.''

 

 

The statement by Ibn Jarir is true, taking the disbelievers as friends is one of the categories of mischief on the earth. Allah said,

 

And those who disbelieve are allies of one another, if you do not do this (help each other), there will be turmoil and oppression on the earth, and great mischief.) (8:73), In this way Allah severed the loyalty between the believers and the disbelievers. Similarly, Allah said,

 

O you who believe! Do not take disbelievers as Awliya' (protectors or helpers or friends) instead of believers. Do you wish to offer Allah a manifest proof against yourselves) (4: 144).

 

 

Allah then said,

Verily, the hyprocrites will be in the lowest depth of the Fire; no helper will you find for them) (4:145).

 

 

Since the outward appearance of the hypocrite displays belief, he confuses the true believers. Hence, the deceitful behavior of the hypocrites is an act of mischief, because they deceive the believers by claiming what they do not believe in, and because they give support and loyalty to the disbelievers against the believers.

 

 

If the hypocrite remains a disbeliever (rather than pretending to be Muslim), the evil that results from him would be less. Even better, if the hypocrite becomes sincere with Allah and makes the statements that he utters conform to his deeds, he will gain success.

[NGONGE]

Originally posted by B_G:

The response to the topic at hand is indeed very simple:

 

1. Killing innoncents in Jihad doesn't neccesarily equate to being a munafiq.

 

2. The Mufasireen of the Quran say that those ayat relate to hypocrites who outwardly and inwardly fought against the Prophet.

 

Thus, I'm saying those Ayat are to me the epitome of a typical Xabashi-Warlord cheerleader(except if they are ignorant and have no knowledge). I'm not interested in the beliefs of the author, per se, rather I'm saying those ayat he posted are more applicable to other side( occupation cheerleaders club). Even, if you are right- why the silence? :cool it is not exactly a baffling question, is it?

 

You lost me at number one, saaxib. The rest is a side issue that you're free to take up with the author if and when you deal with the first. Care to elaborate on the point about killing innocents?

[General Duke]

Bombing Hargaysa & Bossaso = Jihad?

[Dhubad.]

^Duke, bombing Hargaysa & Bosaaso is NOT JIHAD how many times have u been told that? Besides the investigation is still going on, so far we are not sure who was behind it.

[General Duke]

^^^Adeer I was responding to killing innocents in Jihad.

 

Thus who do you think bombed Hargaysa and Bossaso at the same time?

[Dhubad.]

Duke,

 

If you want me to speculate then I think Jinni/Shaydaan is behind it and is trying to put fitnah between muslims so that they can kill each other.

[General Duke]

^^^I agree this is madness, but only one group has the capacity and vigour to do such a thing and thats Al Shabaab or a wing of it.

[Fabregas]

Ngonge, I will elaborate on these points if Allah permits. I shall also answer the question the poster of the topic posted. But after that- they must answer my question. Deal?

 

@Duke:NO! How hard is that to understand?