US troops arrive in Garisa on route to Somalia..

[Khalaf]

^^^^One day my brother inshallah we will be One Nation for all our ppl but that is long way off man. somalis are sick and the more u around dem the more u get this sickness. i thought it was mostly talk kaftan...but the disease is in the heart. :confused:

 

qabil is only family nothin more, but reality makes u take sides unfroutnatly. When u go to war u pick the best general to lead u based on merit and skill. we are freaken africans walaa we dont know how to work for the greater Good: every ppl has built its country look at the pics chinese army....we the most homogenous culture in the entire earth hate/mistrust each other most-kufarnimo walaa. Let dem kill eachother and every region stay in its "borders" who gives shit.

 

 

salaamu lah

[General Duke]

D Letterman,

 

I said it as a fact the weak warlords, theyw ere never that strong millitarily and it took the clan courts and their backers 6 months to clear out. Most of it was not even conventional fighting but urban fire fights in which many civilians died.

 

The clan courts replaced the warlords in that they are the ones who oppose the national government as the warlords did. They now organise rallies against neighbouring countries as the warlords did before them. They are the ones attacking cities and threatening admins across the country as the warlords did.

They control the port and collected taxes as they warlords have been known to do.

So whats new? Are the Mogadishu population happy with the self imposed clan courts?

 

The TFG never attacked anyone nor fought anyone but was set up to open dialogue with all the najor clans. The people in Bay and Bakool, Gedo, Juba's and Puntland have all agreed to support the TFG.

 

The only exeptions are Somalialnd and the armed clan of Mogadishu who oppose the TFG.

The clan of Mogadishu wants to knock out the TFG, but in this case the TFG will fight to defend itself.

[Chimera]

Duke you always speak of the TFG as if it's some mighty military machine

 

let me entertain you let's say they were when the warlords were around and let's say they still are now ICU evicted the warlords

 

why didn't the government take action and take over mogadishu in the last 6 months instead of the ICU??

 

isn't Mogadishu the official capital of Somalia?? aren't the people of Mogadishu part of Somalia??

 

if so why didn't this so-called legitimate government put more effort and take action in the 1 and half years it was dealing with these warlords who were oppressing the masses??

 

why didn't they?

 

simply because the somali cycle of destruction needed to be continued and ICU pistolwhipped Somalia's enemies and gave all those who hate Mother Somalia nightmares for weeks and weeks

 

after that they started there little plot

 

now they want to send peacekeepers

 

now they come with an international contactgroup

 

now there calling neighbouring countries to stop interfering in somali affairs when they lett Ethiopia fuell the conflict for over a decade

 

now suddenly the NGO's related to the UN pull out when they don't have the free space anymore to drop their untested drugs or foodaid during harvest seasons directly destroying the profits of somali farmers

 

no they all went missing in action when they heard they needed to register in the ICU offices

 

now they want to build up the Somali national Army when for 2 years sh1t was done to strengthen it

 

they tried the terrorist east africa bombplot card and it was first rejected by ICU itself and then by the east african muslims orgs who saw the scam that was being done by the US

 

my dislike of indocadde won't make me blind from these facts

 

and it's because of these Enemies of Somalia who watched us suffer and continued to fuel that i support ICU

 

your myopic vision of Somalia is evident in your posts you let your tribalistic mentality type for you

 

you come with a mix of ad nauseams and hominems

 

don't get it twisted my friend

 

the ICU

 

-opened the Mogadishu Sea port (wich was the job of the so-called gov't)

 

-opened the Mogadishu Airport (wich was the job of the so-called gov't)

 

-destroyed the pirates (one incident means nothing compared to 40 ships being captured every month before the ICU took over so don't even try it)

 

-Business is booming (because of the ports being opened)

 

-expired food is no longer imported by greedy businessmen and bombarded on our poor people in the South

 

-Security

 

-foreign investment

 

-Normal ciid celebration

 

there are hundreds of articles that state the people in Mogadishu are happy with the take over

 

you got TFG

 

- A patchwork of warlords with here and there good individuals who are sidelined or demoted as geedi has shown

 

-2 years of hotel motel holiday innnnnnn

 

-begging for foreign money only to be misused by corrupt individuals

 

- sheltered former warlords and provides them with arms

 

-concealed to 1 town

 

- brought in foreign enemies

 

-40 ministers call it a day and left

 

-Seyoum Mesfin visited Baidoa and TADAAaa a new cabinet(deathblow to all TFG chearleaders that claimed it was an independent gov't)

 

-pushes for more foreign troops therefore pushing for war

 

- the ministers of health and education have contributed nothing positive (all done by the locals themselves)

 

-kills 12 men in the small city it's headquartered and then refuses to listen to the people of baidoa when it's asked to leave (and you got the nerve to talk about ICU being welcome)

 

-has soldiers clashing over khat

 

doesn't look good!

[General Duke]

There are simple answers to the questions you posed. Yes Mogadishu is part of Somalia and yes it is important. No it is not the capital, since by defenition a capital is the seat of government and since 1991 Mogadishu has not been the seat of government.

 

The clan courts Vs Warlords was an internal conflict within the armed clans of Mogadishu. They courts and warlords were part of the Balcad Group who oppsoe for narrow clan interest the TFG.

 

In every dispute there is a winner and the warlords were sidelined by the courts, and they took the helm of the armed clan of Mogadishu.

 

The TFG, has faced problems, you have highlighted a few, Khat shootings, and the incident at the airport, which was against an armed group holding it. However in comparison to the full scale attack on Kismayu, the Buaale incident and the ever aggressive moves of the courts , the TFG has made few moves and faced few problems.

 

The leaders of the former RRA apart from Xabsade support the TFG, this includes Adan Madobe, Shatigaduud, Kishbuur and a number of others support the TFG. The Baidoa admin is run by loclas unlike the case of their brethren in occupied Lower Shabbele.

 

Comparing the TFG and the land grapping clan courts is ludicrous, for IndaCade's clan are still holding the farm lands and property of others, while you could not find one private property looted in Baidoa or held by the leaders of the TFG.

 

Do not forget that Abdiqasin Salad used the money donated by the international community to keep in place the occupation of Lower Shabbele. Before him there was no IndaCade and the clan courts power stems from this money. Which has killed countless Somali'.

 

You talk about warlords and yes the TFG has some warlords in it [without teeth].

 

Yet you forget to mention how many battles has IndaCade's millitias been in, what about Goobanle, Seeraar and Macalin Xashi who was a leuitenant of Musa Sudi?

 

What abour Abukar Cadaan, how many battles did his millitia fight in the streets of North Mogadishu? Is he not a major figure in the courts.

 

You talk about corruption, yes but no one in TFG has been alleged to dable in drugs, export charcoal.

 

Also if we are dishing dirt lets add that it was these courts and friends who used suicide bombings.

[General Duke]

Gawaarida dagaalka oo Maaykanku leeyahay oo maanta laga soo dajiyey Garisa.

 

 

Garisa:-Wararka naga soo gaaraya magaalada Garisa ee dalka Kenya ayaa waxay sheegayaan in maanta halkaas ay soo gaareen gawaari badan oo nooca dagaalka ah oo uu leeyahay Ciidanka Maraykanka.

 

Warar khadka taleefoonka lagu halayo ayaa waxay sheegayaan in Gawaaridaan ay ku buufsantahay Far yar yar oo dadka badankiisu aysan garayneyn,waxayna intaas raaciyeen inay dhanacyada gawaarida ku Qoran tahay "American Hornafrik Marines"lama yaqaan meel ay ilaa hadda u socdaan iyo siyaasada laga leeyahay toona,laakiin dadka siyaasada ka faalooda ayaa waxay sheegayaan in laga yaabo inay Somalia ku wajahan yihiin oo loo diyaarinayo Ciidamada la filayo in dhawaan Somalia la geeyo.

 

Wixii ka soo kordha kala soco Shabakada Waayaha.net

Axmed Xayrdaac

Waayaha.net

[Chimera]

-not important enough for the government to start testing it's rockets and AK's in the outskirts of Baidoa hmmmmm....

 

don't sugarcoat it the so-called government simply didn't care because they didn't have a vision for Somalia

 

-C/Y boycotted the arta government

 

oh wait let me guess he had a bigger vision for Somalia heh?? yawnnnnn

 

the ICU were being targeted with funds coming from the mother of all terrorists the US

 

they simply reacted and destroyed there puppets

 

comparing TFG with ICU is like comparing the empire state building with a small bungalow

 

the achievements of ICU eclipse the TFG no need to deny it

 

i have no idea what you have against a whole clan just because one person hails from it

 

L shabelle came under one administration yet you balantly reject it even when indocadde was marginalised

 

that's deep!

 

like i said when 12 men were murdered the TFG refused to listen to a baidoa leader that was being pressured by the locals to evict TFG

 

TFG didn't listen and he left for Bur for a reason!

 

and you have no evidence what so ever other then your General Duke fantasy world that puts the blame of the suicide attack on the ICU

 

where's the evidence?

 

CIA went there and did forensic investigation

 

where's the evidence?

 

only hearsay dogma!

[General Duke]

^^^The TFG with the support of the locals agreed to move to Baidoa and has to defend itself from any group that would try to attack or destabalise the city.

 

The move to Baidoa was seen as a threat to the warlords and now a threat to the clan courts, funny is it not.

 

The TFG is testing its wepons and getting ready for seld defence since the decleration of war by the clan courts.

 

......

 

Dear lad, keep to specefic points if you need answers.

 

The investigation on the suicide bomber has been completed and the TFG has the information pointing towards the clan courts. That information is not one that will be available to everyone, in a future date maybe, but best belive the TFG leaders know who was behind it.

 

Again you pocture the warlords as strong, IndaCade is not strong and he is a warlords first class, those before him were the same.

 

 

President Yusuf, was against Arta, never took part in the final process or elections.

While the father of the courts Abdiqasin took part and lost the election of 2004, then swore to support the government and then broke this with this hubris entity called courts.

[Chimera]

Originally posted by General Duke:

The TFG with the support of the locals agreed to move to Baidoa and has to defend itself from any group that would try to attack or destabalise the city.

that was before it killed 12 sons

 

The move to Baidoa was seen as a threat to the warlords and now a threat to the clan courts,

that's a non sequitur

 

if the move was ''allready'' made before the ICU rose to power how can such ''move'' be a threat when it's not even in the same timezone and date

 

foreign rape troops are a threat

 

yes indeed!

 

funny is it not.

no not really!

 

The TFG is testing its weapons and getting ready for self defence since the decleration of war by the clan courts.

ICU declared war on Ethiopia

 

TFG is just a mere puppet

 

Dear lad, keep to specefic points if you need answers.

 

The investigation on the suicide bomber has been completed and the TFG has the information pointing towards the clan courts. That information is not one that will be available to everyone,

just like i thought

 

hearsay dogma

 

duke if you don't have the evidence to back up your claim don't claim it in the first place when your in a discussion cause *1 you look bad and *2 untill you provide me with the evidence pointing at an ICU guilt the burden of proof will be on your side.

[General Duke]

^^^Dave, you seem to be going in circles. When the TFG chose Jowhar and Baidoa as home, it was invaded by IndaCade the very next day.

 

The Balcad group which inlcuded all the warlords and even xasan Dahir was formed to oppose the TFG.

 

So my point earlier does stick.

 

You mention the 12 sons of Baidoa, but how many died when it was occupied by the likes of IndaCade? Who still opccupy the area of the clan of Baidoa, remmeber the Lower Shabbele is alsi inhabited by the people you pretend to defend. Who are occupied by the clans you are now champoioning. Again it is futile to argue when you ignore the occupation and those who were behind it, notably Abdiqasin, Xasan Dahir and of course IndaCade.

 

The clan courts opposition wont be more than that of the warlords, it all looks the same with Sharif Xasan and all.

 

They declared war on Ethiopia right, what a laugh David.

[Xoogsade]

Ninkaan duke wax sharafuu leeyahay malahan, intaas qabiillo islaameed yuu afka kula jiraa isagoo cadeystay sida uu u jecel yahay in dayuurado lala dhaco oo dhammantood markii lagu daro caruur iyo ciroole la gumaado.

 

Waxaanse la yaabanahayy caadifadda qabiilee isaga ka cabaadineysa ma moodo inay dadka kalee aqrista qurunkiisa ku jirto.

 

Ninka sidaanoo kale ah oo weliba matala soomaali badan ee la qabta fikradahan jaahiliyada islaamka sal ka ku heysa yaa lagu leeyahay daris la noqo oo wax la wadaag. Dowlad la qeybso. He just reminds me wallahi waddankii dhisnaa waxa madaxa u rogay, waa niman sidiisoo kale musuqmaasuq iyo munaafaqnimo kula dhex jiray soomaalida ee eheladii isku diray dadkiina kala dilay. Dagaaldii soke ee diin ka baxa ahaa waxba weli kama faa'iidin sida ka muuqato.

 

Duke, afkaaga ka reebo qabiillada xamar deggan. they have every right to refuse what they see as corrupt faithless men whose sole purpose is to rule them without accountability. Ma qasabaa haddaysan dadku rabin waxid calmaani ah allah yalcanu ee diintaba la dagaalsan?

 

Dowladi ma jirtee afkaaga halaga nabad galo islaam haddaad tahay. Haddiise diinta sida ka muuqata wararkaaga waxba aysan kuula dhignayn, ogoow inaad ku xad gudbeyso dareenka soomaalida qabiillada kale afar iyo labaatan saacadood nacaybka aad u qabto meelaha la taagan tahay.

 

Islaamka ha la isugu yimaado, haddii la diido, wax ka dhexeeya dadka ma jiraan ee fadlan dowladnimada adigu qaadoo afkaaga halaga nabad galo.

 

Qabiiliiste inuu wax ilaahay ka fog yahay meeshaana laga arkaa wallahi. Diinxumida iyo usluub ximada dhaqan u ah.

[Gabbal]

^I am sorry but I would not be granting myself any moral superiority over Duke if I were you.

[General Duke]

^^^Xogsade dear boy lets not kid ourselves, we are debating here, dont lose it, I want to enlighten David. If you want to add something new then by all means do.

 

PS: Dont ignore the fact that these clan courts are the aggressors, occupiers and who are fighting the national government.

 

Also stop with the pretences of you careed about Islam, you would have made a single statement against the like of IndaCADE and his actions, you would have supported the people who are under occupation and live in the Butt of the GUN.

[Chimera]

duke i'm responding to your ad nauseam posts don't twist it and accuse me of going into circles

 

and your far from enlightening me

 

don't flatter yourself

 

you speak of occupation yet you have no problems with Ethiopian troops on our soil

 

i have said this so many times to you if your opposition to ICU is solely based on indocadde( and you are) then your a hypocrite

 

simple as that

 

the occuppation of somali people under Ethiopia has been far more brutal yet you ignore it

 

you boost about Ethio/TFG relationship

 

you champion the occuppied people of lower shabelle but you completly ignore the plight of the people in SomaliGalbeed

 

stop kidding yourself and come out of the woodwork and state your real reason why you support a government that hasn't spoken out against the human rights abuses occurring in Ethiopia evendo the man visited their capital many times

 

what's your excuse?

[General Duke]

^^^Saxib the people of SomaliGalbeed are not occupied by Somali's. Your argument is bankrupt as is evidant by the lame comparison.

 

I support the government the same reason every supports it, to get a recognised functioning state and start the healing of our wounds and of our lands.

 

Your sole argument is that Yusuf is an Ethiopian puppet, but you have not proven that the clan courts are independent and not puppets of weaker elemnts than Ethiopia.

 

You are fooling only yourself when you want the Soamli people to buy the argument that the likes of IndaCade who burned down Dhoobley will liberate that clans country in the ******.

 

Its all fake, but I am not asking you to do me any favours the TFG will defend itself and this new brand will get shelved like the old one.

[Chimera]

your so bad it's not even funny anymore

 

so just because one is occuppied by somalis and the other by foreigners it's plight is worth more

 

do you even think a little before you type??

 

do you re-read your post before you hit the ''add reply'' button??

 

lame comparison kulaha dude you just exposed your true self

 

the fact that you can't use the occuppation of the foreigners on somali lands who were invited by the TFG as a tool the way your using the Indocadde card as a tool to discredit the ICU is the only reason why you ignored their plight

 

your fooling yourself thinking a government that has done nothing in it's 2 years existance it will somehow bring back a republic

 

your fooling yourself thinking this government with all the airmiles it has on it's name to Addis ababa will come to the plight of the people of Somaligalbeed

 

your deluded!