Parliament speaker Sh. Adan Madobe blasts Sheikh hotel's bid to sell the Somali sea

[Recovering-Romantics]

Originally posted by General Duke:

^^^lool. Everyone is wrong and you are correct. Please this deal united various opposing groups in a campaign to stop it. Somalia has no dispute with Kenya other than NFD.

 

Anyhow if the Parliment opposes this they will have the respect of the masses.

Any-one who hasn't read the actual documents and what they mean, yet spread rumours around tirelessly, is of course, wrong.

[General Duke]

RR:

The agreement will facilitate the presentation of Kenya's submissions to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf by May as required under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

 

The Somali prime minister said the agreement was necessary for

the preparation of Somalia's claim for the extension of Somalia continental shelf

as the cooperation between neighbors is a pre- requite for the submission of the war-torn country's claim." (CRIEnglish.com 8. April 2009."

Adeer as an expert can you explain to us all what the claim pertains to , also why did we sign an agreement with Kenya?

 

Why not just forward our info and "claim" to the UN.

 

Also when did nations renew their sea territory?

 

Also can you touch on the involvement of the nation of Norway, oil and gas and other issues?

 

Thanks

[Emperor]

Some people never make sense, if this was not true and only a rumour, or the terriroty didn't even belong to Somalia or it was under the UN then we wouldn't have had any signed agreement between Somalia and Kenya...

 

Mr. Shakur along with Shariif Sakiin signed an agreement with the foreign minister of Kenya infront of the international media, what was that? I guess they were selling Ina'ade's drug farm in Afgoi...

 

Adeer because of your clanish attitude and defensive nature for Sheikh hotel, now you begin to sound weary and nervious starting to doubt or even deny the Somali sea... don't you know there are other ways you can defend Sheikh hotel than 'Inkiraad' of parts of the Somali country...

[Recovering-Romantics]

Originally posted by General Duke:

RR:

quote:

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The agreement will facilitate the presentation of Kenya's submissions to the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf by May as required under the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS).

 

The Somali prime minister said the agreement was necessary for

the preparation of Somalia's claim for the extension of Somalia continental shelf

as the cooperation between neighbors is a pre- requite for the submission of the war-torn country's claim." (CRIEnglish.com 8. April 2009."

Adeer as an expert can you explain to us all what the claim pertains to , also why did we sign an agreement with Kenya?

 

Why not just forward our info and "claim" to the UN.

 

Also when did nations renew their sea territory?

 

Also can you touch on the involvement of the nation of Norway, oil and gas and other issues?

 

Thanks

Bro, I am not an expert on anything. I am simply going by what I have read in the news and the information available to us.

 

To answer your question.

 

Why did Somalia sign a "deal" with Kenya and not directly to the UN. The answer is simple. For Somalia to claim additional maritime territory, it must have the backing of its neighbors that share maritime boundaries with it in the form of "no contention." It will have to sign such a deal with Yemen, Djibouti, and Kenya and must be done so by end of May 2009.

 

75% of the countries with maritime boundaries can qualify to extend their claims on the International Waters with the consent of their neighbors, for Somalia to acquire more land, Kenya has to support and vice versa. The last such deal was signed in 1989 by the then regime and is renewable every 20 years. Hence, the decision of this government to enter into this agreement now.

 

Once the deadline passes, you can only claim your ACTUAL maritime boundary and have no claim to anything that lies beyond.

[Recovering-Romantics]

Originally posted by Emperor:

Some people never make sense, if this was not true and only a rumour, or the terriroty didn't even belong to Somalia or it was under the UN then we wouldn't have had any signed agreement between Somalia and Kenya...

 

Mr. Shakur along with Shariif Sakiin signed an agreement with the foreign minister of Kenya infront of the international media, what was that? I guess they were selling Ina'ade's drug farm in Afgoi...

 

Adeer because of your clanish attitude and defensive nature for Sheikh hotel, now you begin to sound weary and nervious starting to doubt or even deny the Somali sea... don't you know there are other ways you can defend Sheikh hotel than 'Inkiraad' of parts of the Somali country...

Bro, a little education will take you a long way!

[Recovering-Romantics]

UNITED NATIONS 13 May 2009 Nations race to lodge seabed claims before deadline

 

The deadline for countries to submit territorial claims to the United Nations Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf is 13 May 2009. Oil and mineral treasure lies under the sea, so there there is a rush to divvy up the seabed before the deadline. As of Apr 2009, 21 submissions from coastal countries had been filed, and as many as 50 could file before the deadline. Russia claims the Arctic. The other Arctic states -- Canada, the United States, Norway and Denmark -- oppose the claim. The issue could push Washington to ratify the Treaty.

 

Under the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), countries can claim control of the seabed beyond the traditional 200-mile limit if they can prove the ocean floor is connected to their continental shelf. Submissions must be based upon sound technical data and meet requirements prescribed within Article 76 of UNCLOS (1982). States can file joint claims, after pre-agreed territorial shares with their partners, or individual claims.

 

Moscow argues that the Lomonosov Ridge, an undersea mountain range that begins on land in Russia, reaches to the North Pole -- and therefore that the North Pole belongs to Moscow. It capped the argument with a controversial dive to the ocean floor that planted a rust proof Russian flag below the Pole. Canada and Denmark claim parts of the Lomonosov ridge.

 

The Philippines wants its zone extended to include the resource-rich Kalayaan Island Group, which includes some of the Spratley Islands in the South China Sea. Vietnam, Taiwan, Malaysia, Brunei and China have long-standing overlapping claims in the area.

 

France wants territory that includes the Bay of Biscay between France and Spain and the Celtic Sea, which France shares with Ireland and Great Britain. It also wants French Guyana, a host of African islands, the Kerguelen Islands near Antarctica and the Crozet Islands, which lie hundreds of miles south of Madagascar.

 

For the present, the Antarctic is out of bounds for exploiting its mineral resources because of the 1959 Antarctic Treaty. The seabed around the the Antarctic is a different issue. New Zealand is keeping its options open to match British plans to claim sovereign rights over a vast area of the seabed off Antarctica. Australia – which claims 42 per cent of the Antarctic – included data on the seabed off its Antarctic territory in its own UNCLOS claim.

 

Britain and Chile claim parts of the Antarctic. London also has designs on the waters around the Falklands and parts of the Bay of Biscay.

 

http://www.newsahead .com/preview/2009/05 /13/united-nations-1 3-may-2009-nations-r ace-to-lodge-seabed- claims-before-deadli ne/index.php

[Recovering-Romantics]

I hope that this will make clear that the territory in question is not Somalia's Exclusive Economic Zone BUT rather the piece of territory that lies BEYOND!

 

69 nations ask UN to weigh claims on ocean limits

 

With the bounty of the high seas at stake, 69 nations met a U.N. deadline Wednesday for submitting claims on how to define the outer limits of their continental shelfs.

 

Experts anticipated fewer claims.

 

"There are about 65 who could be entitled," said Hariharan Pakshi Rajan, who heads the U.N.'s Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf. "There is no official U.N. list on this. This is just an estimate."

 

The deadline was for submissions from all countries that signed the U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea to define the dimensions of their claimed continental shelfs _ a group that notably excludes the United States.

 

In the U.S., Senate opponents say the Law of the Sea requires the country to surrender important sovereignty rights. But the administration of President Barack Obama has indicated it wants to sign the treaty.

 

Beyond the 200 nautical mile zone that extends from every country's coastline, the open ocean is subject to the Law of the Sea. On May 1, Switzerland became the latest and 158th nation to ratify it.

 

The commission's job is to examine and verify the scientific and technical data that each nation submits. That is used to determine whether a nation can lay claim to areas of the continental shelfs extending beyond the 200-mile zone.

 

Some such areas are hotly disputed. The Philippine president signed a law in March, for example, affirming sovereignty over islands also claimed by China and Vietnam, including ones believed to be rich in oil, gas and fish in the South China Sea.

 

Despite the stakes, Rajan said he would be "very surprised" if more nations submit claims on the continental shelfs.

 

But the commission doesn't act as a judge in border disputes, he said. The commission's role among nations, he said, is only to help determine "sovereign rights for the purposes of exploring and exploiting its resources."

 

http://www.etaiwanne ws.com/etn/news_cont ent.php?id=948298&la ng=eng_news

[Sherban Shabeel]

Originally posted by General Duke:

^^^Why ?

Because it's stunningly beautiful.

[General Duke]

Emperor you made some valid points which need to be answered by the supporters of this deal.

 

RR: The important wording here is “claim additional maritime territory”, now are Somalia & Kenya are claiming or competing for the same territory, separate territories together or are just signing agreements to be part of the 69 nations or 75% of the worlds states that are rushing to claim additional continental shelf territories.

 

Do explain as you understand it my brother.

[General Duke]

Sherbeen Shabbele, ok mate.

[Recovering-Romantics]

Originally posted by General Duke:

Emperor you made some valid points which need to be answered by the supporters of this deal.

 

RR: The important wording here is

“claim additional maritime territory”

, now are Somalia & Kenya are claiming or competing for the same territory, separate territories together or are just signing agreements to be part of the 69 nations or 75% of the worlds states that are rushing to claim

additional continental shelf territories

.

 

Do explain as you understand it my brother.

Emperor is not making any "valid points" rather he is dealing with conspiracy theories grounded in clannish mentality. If Abdullahi Yusuf was the current president, he would be bombarding us with information claiming that Abdullahi Yusuf has rescued the Somali waters and other stories.

 

The deal is for "additional maritime territory." Any land that lies beyond Somalia's Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) is technically owned by the UN and is called the International Waters and subject to the International Laws of the Sea. For Somalia to claim any additional maritime territory, its neighbors have to agree to it and must be consequently approved by the governing body of the International Law of the Sea.

 

Minus the little conspiracy theories and attempts of using this deal as a way of tarnishing the names of political enemies, there is nothing really that remotely supports the claims being made.

 

When it is all said and done, Somalia will end up with MORE maritime territory than it previously had. It beats me why some-one would want to reverse this.

[General Duke]

RR: First of all you did not answer any of the questions posed.

If we Somalia is going for additional sea area outside of its exclusive zone, that is owned by the UN and no sovereign nation why did we sign an agreement with Kenya ?

 

Brother, no one on Earth would like to not get extra, but in the real world nothing if given for free specially territories. So again while one thanks you for the effort answer the question.

[Recovering-Romantics]

Originally posted by General Duke:

RR: First of all you did not answer any of the questions posed.

If we Somalia is going for additional sea area outside of its exclusive zone, that is owned by the UN and no sovereign nation why

did we sign an agreement with Kenya ?

 

Brother, no one on Earth would like to not get extra, but in the real world nothing if given for free specially territories. So again while one thanks you for the effort answer the question.

Bro, maybe you are not reading the documents that I have posted in my previous posts. For Somalia to get any additional territory, its neighbors have to verify that they are not going to claim the same territory. Any area that is claimed by 2 or more countries automatically become a contested area and thus no one country can claim it without the approval of its neighbors. The deal signed with Kenya is an agreement of "No Contention." Nothing more.

 

Of course, nothing is being given "free," that is why this deal is renowned every 20 years.

 

Other than that, it is basically another case of conspiracy theories. A closer reading of any of the documents I have posted should clear this.

[General Duke]

RR: Brother one ascertain a few things first of all how much sovereignty does one secede and also did Somalia’s government have to put this request in when it was not prepared at this time, this is not conspiracy adeer, a weak government that controls a small area should not sign agreements with Neighbors who’s last agreement we signed with gave away the NFD. Thus all the info you have provided makes it look like a dream come true but one is not buying this and also we should reject it until things are made clearer.

 

Kenya & Norway seemed to have a deep vested interest in getting this signed, maybe if we ignored it we would have been in a better position in two decades to exploit that area.

[Emperor]

RR, If education is the arrogance you showed which was to insult the Engineer who owns Somalitalk and who dedicated his time to put together a magnificent work regarding this issue and anyone else standing on your way, then you can keep that education mate... Somali see is sold by Sheikh hotel and his crew, now you can defend him if you wish, but you are going about it the wrong way, do not insult others and give out any part of your land or for that matter the Somali sea...