When did the USC aka ICU become Allah's army?

[raadamiir]

The USC aka ICU isn't Allah's army they are a tribal army that wants to rule Somalia.

 

They have destroyed our country and inshallah they will be put an all stop in the days to come. Enought is Enought. Reer Mogdishu will be librated once in for all.

 

USC shall not hide any longer.

 

The ICU wants to take our country back to 1991 we can't let that happen and if he happens inshallah it will bring an end to USC and any of it's members from ever entering Somali politics ever again.

 

These farmers with the guns will go back being the farmers they were back in the 80s.

[General Duke]

The foolishness of it all, who is calling for Jihad with Eritrean help?

 

Anyone clan claim anything, but all we see is the cries of the ignorant.

 

InaCade who we know abut, Macalin Xashi who used to work for Musa Sudi, Sharif Ahmed who worked for Mohamed Dheere, Abukar Cumar Cadaan the shady business man of charcoal and so on will lead us into a Jihad, a clan organised Jihad?

[Juje]

The USC was I think Aydeed, Atto, Qanyare, Abdiqeydiid, Muse Sudi, Mohamed Dheere, and their group. They exist no more at least not on paper. USC is dead. The ICU is a new breed, more nationalistic, more powerfull, more representatives, more objective, more pious, more dharbaxyoweyn, more xukum doon, more dangerous (to the opposers) and ceratinly more Somali than USC. Cause we have in Xamar now more people whose houses and propertiers looted and reclaiming them.

Guys seriously the mentality to divide the ICU tribaly and label them as such will only backfire. Like for example when you say USC is ICU and vicecersa, then the crediblity in the sense of political power of the latter will increase.

Criticise them in the sense of their policy and sense of establishment and that they are using religion as a tool to meet ends. But if you say they are USC then the TFG is SSDF and where do we draw the line then?

[General Duke]

^^^Saxib, there is no doubt that the ICU = USC.

For if you are refering to Turki and the few others in the camp. eed had Omar Jess in his day when he was moving into the Juba's.

 

Xasan Dahir is using the same clan tactics, he even said that the cours have a right to move into south Galkacyu because it was his clans area.

 

The courts demo's are like the USC's taking place in predominently clan araes.

 

History is repeating itself in Somalia, but this is not 1991.

 

As fpr the fear that some woll equite the TFG with SSDF, well no worry the clan courts media already equites the TFG with Puntland and calls the national army either A.yUusf clan or Amxaro.

[Thierry.]

Correct me if I am wrong but wasn’t Cabdi Qaybdeed whom the Islamic courts are fighting a part of USC. Aren’t a number of the ICU leaders from many different tribes of Somalia?

Your argument is baseless mate.

The fact is that you two have recently been crying wolf a lot yet you have not alternative to the popular movement. The TFG is dead mate every day we hear of supporters of it abandoning its support many MP’s have left their posts. Every battle that has occurred so far has been in favour of the ICU. Geedi the corrupt professor is pleading for negotiations to go on, now that does not sound like a man who is winning.

 

To sum it all up Somalia is heading towards an Islamic state and it is ICU that have started it, now you can cry why why why all you want or you can take it up the chin accept your old views where wrong and follow the masses.

 

It would be a sad situation for you if you become like Iranians in exile waiting for the day the Shah returns

[General Duke]

^^^Did the USC or SSDF or other faction have internal differences? Did Aydeed not die in battles within his faction.

 

The ICU- have replaced the USC in terms of leadership role and the suc-clan of Abdiqasin have done a coup on A/Qaybdeed's hence the fighting between the two. However the new USC, is led by IndaCade's clan with other following the line as they did with AYDEEDS' time.

 

Its a new brand image but never the less its the same product,.

[Thierry.]

Saxiib again you bring nothing new your argument is baseless, the Islamic courts has nothing to do with USC its ideology is totally different it consists of people from all spheres of Somalia.

On top of that when the war mongering warlords where kicked out of Mogadishu the ICU clearly stated they wanted the TFG to come to Mogadishu so that they can run the country.

Now the rest is very peculiar not only does Cabdullahi Yusuf request foreign troop’s deployment to be speeded up but he invites the same warlords who have kept him out of the capital to his base.

Now these factors are what have the masses behind ICU.

Any Somali whether he is or not from shk Xasan dahir aweys clan can clearly see that if a choice is to be made then anything but those that ruined us

[Juje]

Originally posted by General Duke:

the national army either A.yUusf clan or Amxaro.

I remember you endorsing that with a picture of Af-gaduud.

Jenerale widayo banoniga deji, arrinta yesan kula fogan, is walka iska dhaf.

There are many USC in the TFG camps. If you label the maxakinta as USC then you are giving them a wrong image. Not that you are labeling them as a tribal group but you are attaching to them to a group which they have fragmented and dismantled it in their own hands. You are given them credit.

Now unless you are willing to change the platform into the divisions and conflicts that existed in 1991's. I suugest sxb you tone down the opposition, you can take on the ICU but can you take on the USC?

[General Duke]

^^^Saxib I dont lie like Mr Turki, either say it as you see it or else lets keep claping to who ever we think has the most guns.

 

You are correct to say that the whole USC clan is not pro courts but one can not lie as to who is driving this mini van called courts. One can not lie when Dayniile the mouth piece of USC is today the mouth piece of ICU.

 

The whole clan no, but the agenda is the same, we must come clean about that.

[Juje]

Originally posted by General Duke:

Saxib I dont lie like Mr Turki ...

The whole clan no, but the agenda is the same, we must come clean about that.

Bravo, I like your choice of words, very cleverly and cunningly constructed. Turki the man of truth others punch of liars. I dont know where you are leading with that, but saxiibo it does not look good.

The whole clan as you say NO, so eliminate these tag of USC you are parading. You might be playing to win the hearts of undecided ones in your camp , but you will be alienating many who have thronged to your camp from the ICU.

[General Duke]

^^^Your argument is thus, the USC reresented the whole clan, what folly. The USC was a afaction like the SSDF that projected the image of representing the interest of a certain clan.

While doing this, the USC wanted to control the whole country, the ICU is the same, without even creating an admin for its areas it claims to control Somaliland, Puntland and so on.

Without having a standing army it wants to go to war with Ethiopia.

The ICU rehtoric is the same as Aydeeds USC faction. The same as Abdiqasin's daydreams when he was TNG leader, he proclaimed there was no such thing as Somaliland and Puntland, but both have outlived his TNG.

 

The clan courts are using the same emotive arguments as their warlords friends before them.

 

I repeat it is a new brand Image for the same product with the usual functionalities.

[Juje]

Alif waxmaleh iyo waleyahey man mantey oo dhan ku jireyna Jenerale. Ana waxan raba in aan TFG'da ka dhigo mid dadka oo dhan matasha haba iska tabar yarate adna widayo waxaad rabta in aad toleysiid Turki,Afgaduud iyo Barre Hirale.

Marka saxiibo isku meel maka misono because cadawad kale a ku muqato.

[king_450]

Only such will claim to be the God's people while in reality they can't even clean their asses for the sins they have committed. All of sudden we are experiencing the hatred that has been done ,yes it will never be over as long as we have such keep popping up in our life time. It is time to be put them an end and wipe them out the face of the earth. How more can they ruin the lifes of innocents. If they want to control thier own let it be, stay Muqdishu and where they are majority. Enough is enough. Somalis will never be united again. Division is the only option. Hate to be a neighbor again such bloody people.

[Juje]

^^Duke ka xab-xabi he widayo ada nimakna qolfihi kaso qade o weliba buski ka jafey.

[General Duke]

Alif waxmaleh iyo waleyahey man mantey oo dhan ku jireyna Jenerale. Ana waxan raba in aan TFG'da ka dhigo mid dadka oo dhan matasha haba iska tabar yarate adna widayo waxaad rabta in aad toleysiid Turki,Afgaduud iyo Barre Hirale.

Marka saxiibo isku meel maka misono because cadawad kale a ku muqato.

 

You made me laugh, I give you tha much. Saxib we have had the period of talks, in Nairobi, we have been through the waiting game, now it is time for the TFG to defend itself using any means necessary.

 

Lets leave it at that..