Is N.F.D part of Greater Somalia?

[Thika]

I have been amazed by how few hardlines claim to say that N.F.D. is part of Somalia or a taken land of theirs.

 

There's no where in history where it relfects that nfd has at one stage been a provision in soamlia as they try to claim.

 

Lets face the reality that N.F.D is soveregn province that can stand own it's own guys and the illusion that fews guys live with is now but dream that they try to fabricate.

 

For sure their can be alot of augument of different magnitude but the truth is that N.F.D is not with Somalia.

Chariy begins at home fellas, create a better Somalia lets say that N.F.D is a Somalia and the not squating with the dream.

Prove that nfd is forcefully taken land of Somalia and stop claiming that it's a province in Somalia just like Hargeisa.

[Coloow]

Thika, a good issue to discuss!

 

I think you would agree with me in saying that NFD is populated by somalis.

 

NFD somalis live under a colonial type of rule. less developed, constant police harrassment! (in fact it is the only place in africa that has had a state of emergency for over 40 years).

 

It is part of the somali territory but I for one would not advocate for NFD joing somalia.

 

I think the solution is independence - and if that is achieved let the people decide whether to join somalia or become a state of its own.

 

 

NFD does not belong to Kenya.

[SHAKA ZULU]

Northern Frontier District!

Kenya has no right whatsoever to Claim that this is part of their Country.

the whole world knows it's been forcefully taken from Somalia by the British and it should be returned to Somalia.

N.F.D,Zone 5,and Djabouti will definitely someday became part of the country once known as the GREATER SOMALIA!

it's in every Somali person's intrest that we should stand as one in order to get ours back.

that's all i'm prepared to say now.

[OG_Girl]

All i know is my father was born some where there and he is Somali . is that make sense to u ?

 

Salam

[GM]

Somalia is made up five states-namely Northern somalia (now Somaliland) Southern somalia, Djibouti, Orgadenia and NFD. This five provinces make up THE UNITED STATES OF SOMALIA. NFD is one of the states of USS that had long been seperated and lamped into an alien teritory which treats them inhumane and third class citizens.

 

if you remember during the colonial period many of our great heros reisisted the idea of nfd as being part of kenya teritory. You may recall the shifta days where we took arms against kenya goverm. to leave nfd soils. So be proud of yourself because you are somali. Do not be decieved by how things appear today, it is not going to be like this, i can assure you we will be a great nation Inshallah.

[nuune]

that is exactly what the five stars of the flag stands for!!

[OG Moti]

NFD part of somalia? no doubt and the people as u know are somalians and one day it will be back to somalia.. the star must be completed .. peace

[rudy-Diiriye]

Originally posted by Entrepreneur:

Thika, a good issue to discuss!

 

I think you would agree with me in saying that NFD is populated by somalis.

 

NFD somalis live under a colonial type of rule. less developed, constant police harrassment! (in fact it is the only place in africa that has had a state of emergency for over 40 years).

 

It is part of the somali territory but I for one would not advocate for NFD joing somalia.

 

I think the solution is independence - and if that is achieved let the people decide whether to join somalia or become a state of its own.

 

 

NFD does not belong to Kenya.

i dont wanna waste alot of time what u defined. what u said there is that majority r suppressed malise! therefore, they still have no voice!!!!

 

i will say u r right if know 4 sure and tell us before 1945 where nfd was considered part of what country---via historical documents!!

 

R U 1 a mali! or r u some other party from nds? please define it more clarily!

 

the only reason why juma kenyatt govt hate us was cuz of nfd! so whats u deal bro! plz explain

adkoo raali ah!

[Coloow]

Rudy:

 

The Northern Frontier Districts(NFD)comprises of three separate districts: Wajir, Garissa and Mandera. Somalis inhabit almost whole of the eastern part of the region. The demarcation which ran southwards from east of Moyale to Tana River, was created by the British to separate the Somalis pastoral nomads from the rest of the country and to act as buffer zone against Somalia and Ethiopia. this line also separated them from theirs ethnic kinsmen, the Orma and the Borana.

Until the 1940s, NFD, {Northern Frontier Districts} was separated from the influence of modern economy. Despite the Pan Somali wave, which reached these parts at the end of 1940, political activities remained dormant until the 1960s when the British administration lifted the ban on political Organization.

 

In this new situation, the Somalis could express their Willingness to join their kinsmen in the Somali Republic. Consequently, New Political parties emerged such as the Northern Province People's Progressive Party {NPPP}, Northern Frontier Democratic Party {NFD}, and the Northern Province People's National Union {NPPNU}. With change in the British attitude, the Somali leaders became suspicious about the British acceptance of the will of its subjects.

Following development in the same period in French Somaliland and in Western Somaliland, the Somali government passed a motion in the National Assembly in November 1961 welcoming the union of the Northern Frontier Districts to the Republic.

 

The political momentum in the region received new impetus with the motion. In the following year, at the Kenya Conference held in Lancaster House in London, the NFD delegation firmly voiced their desire to be Granted an autonomous region that would eventually join the Somali Republic.

However their request was sharply opposed by the Kenya African National Union {KANU} and the Kenya African Democratic Union {KADU} delegations. Paradoxically, while the KANU and KADU delegation were advocating for self-determination, they were deliberately opposing the same principles in the case of the Somalis. To ease the tension, the British Colonial Secretary at the time, Reginald Maulding, announced the appointment of a commission to survey the opinion of the people concerned.

 

Meanwhile, the Somali government of the time anxiously watched the course of events, and warned the British not to repeat past mistakes. The Commission finding based on a survey held on Oct. 1962, were that the majority favored joining the Somali Republic. However, the British government did not honor its last undertakings given at the Kenya Conference in Lancaster House, but instead betrayed the will of its subjects by announcing in early March 1963, that the NFD was to be brought into Kenya's regional constitution.

The British decision led to general discontent throughout the NFD. Consequently, on 11 March 1963, the Somali Republic broke off diplomatic ties with British.

 

The British decision reflected favoritism toward Ethiopian imperialism policy and a desire not to endanger its relationship with the new commonwealth country of Kenya. Had Somalia entered the Commonwealth states after independence, perhaps the matter would not have ended in such way. Britain concentrated more on its future relations than honoring its commitments and responsibilities over its subjects. On 12 December 1963, Kenya received its independence. And in December 1965, the late President Nyerere of Tanzania tried to reopen a dialogue between Kenya and Somalia in Arusha, but the rift between the two nations impeded all means of Resolving the issue and instead led to their diplomatic rapture on 21 June 1966.

 

A period of freedom fighting begun . the "Shifta" wars followed in NFD. These were skirmishes with the Kenya army for about three years. Two of these freedom fighters were Cabdullahi Gamaas and Hassan Gooro!

 

The insurrection then was in its infancy. It did not developed into a fully blown war with the Kenya government. It subsided when leaders decided to solve the matter through dialogue, but the suspicion these wars caused was never to die until today. To tighten its internal security, the Kenya government took drastic security measures and ordered that whoever was to be found sympathetic to the Shifta, the name given to Liberation Front activists, should be imprisoned for life and his property confiscated.

 

For the Somalis, however, it represented the legitimization of one African State colonizing another. The Somalis in this province number about 1.5 million. They occupy the second largest province in Kenya. The province was ruled under martial laws from independence in 1963 to 1993. The exceptional measures continued long after the threat of insurrection had faded, and were accompanied by gross human rights abuses.

 

The most notable is the Wajir massacre of 1984, in which more than 2000 ethnic Somalis were murdered by the security forces. Or the Malkare masaccare in mandera district or the Garissa massacre in the eighties.

The Kenya army and the police has been guilty of gross human rights violations. It is the most under-developed province in the country with no proper schools, health care facilities and non-existence infrastructure. #

 

 

Rudy if you want a historical description of events or the names of the many acts that only regard suffocating the rights of somalis...I could provide you with more! There are several researches conducted on this issue..

 

To the others: due to the state of somalia proper today I think joining somalia is not the right thing. But I would love to see self-determination for NFD.

 

The question was does NFD belong to somalia? It certainly does not belong to KENYA!

[rudy-Diiriye]

npp was jumo kenyatta shit! remember we claimed all the way to lake tankanikya! but that was just a claim ok! me so young knows that ok! so dont bs ok! when u talk about npp i simply know what your angle ok. u is under cover!lol2 so talk if u r 4 real otherwise stay what you current pocket many payer! anyway! we r in kenya now and u know w/o us malis, this country will be like zimbabaye but know, i.e, kenyans killing each other. so,....just say thank u later.. ,,

[Coloow]

Rudy kuma fahamin. Ma waxaad leedahay NFD waa meel ka tirsan kenya?

 

Bal cadeey raigaaga sxb

[Dhimbil]

Thika sounds like a little kid, don't know why you nomads stressing over him. To even suggest NFD is not somali inhabitant is nonstarter and too far from reality. kenya has marginalized their ethnic somalis and until kenyan government can get their act together and treat ethnic somalis part of their people, somalis there would have the option of secesion or joining Somali Republic. This is not hardliners veiw as you put it but realities on the ground.

 

Entrepreneur gave you short dose of history, please indulge.

 

Adios

[GM]

Entrepreneur, well writen piece sxb.

[Coloow]

A request to the administrators:

 

Could you please move this thread to the general section, so that our younger brothers and sisters (from NFD) could access it?

 

Most of them are not interested in the politics section! and I am sure it would help them understand the situation.

 

Thank you

[Oblivion]

NFD is a Somali territory, no question about that! Those who think otherwise are fooling themselves. Personally, I don’t accept the present day European Borders of Somalia, all africans were terribly cheated.Maybe Tanzania, Uganda and Kenya can unite to form one country, so Somali territories can become Greater Somalia. Somali people everywhere should be allowed to express their freewill under international law and decide their future. The notion of NFD coming back is laughable because of the intl. crisis the world is in right now, later on probably yes.