Hibo Posted February 6, 2002 Well, What i was trying to EMPHASIS here was, "somali girls are slow but not bad" There is a difference bwteen being dump and being bad. It takes alot of brains cells to be bad but it obviously take less than that to be a Dumpie. So lets get the records straight, our girls are foolish coz they demand alot froma dying brother, and the is easily visible to all of you brothers. The do demand those stuff coz of dullness not becouse of cleverness as i said before. Girls, get real okey, To thoe guys like UNIX and other weakness brother have a long way to go before they can see what i see ansd sense now. Goold luck though lol [This message has been edited by MrJibriiL (edited 05-03-2002).] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted February 6, 2002 Mr.Ninxoon, wlcm on board. Tell them that there are those only smile at non-Somalis than the somalis. I dont wonna abuse them all Somali girls but it seems mosta them are the same and thats why if even when generalised seems appropriate, lol just kidding. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Libaax-Sankataabte Posted February 6, 2002 Ninxoon, welcome I don't know when your next list is gonna be up ... but I know you have some mad research abilities. it is fun seeing you around. much respect still. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Posted February 6, 2002 MJ: I have nothing against somaliland, but you are overdoing this somalilanders did this and that! For example you said gabada dhiigeda malahid ee waa dhaqan kartaa and "quote", that is just common somali saying!. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted February 6, 2002 Originally posted by mohamedjama: why every body is so compative and even angery for a simple issue.. i think what jibriil meant is not the somali girls are bad, but what does he meant is that when it comes to shukaansi or courting, most girsl are shollow.. i think girls could be shallow and sensentive, however, it is true there is mukur ( not trying to play straight to the piont).. however, i dont think he meant to call them stupid all of somaliwomen.. i think that is wrong but what he is trying to say is that, somali courtship is not honest, and hussle free, i dont know other cultures except what i read or watched about , I mean i didnt date a non somali women.. I dont want it either.. I dont know why somalis those who are not peots dont know how to debate or disagree or really explore how issues and political, social, and culture attitudes became the way they are .. it is true unlike somalinomadic women ( i only know the somaliland nomads) and men , when shukaansi or haasaawe comes the urbanite somalis are very slow , and not honest about thier feelings. you have to hide, talk about nonsense, bees donkeys, horses..lol.. u fiirso bal heestan. forexample this song singed by mohamed ahmed and qamar harawo, the poets explored to sides between man and woman the man want quik resolution and she wants little bit games but really want to know what he realy want ,... marriage or some thing else. by the way the song is also satire about siyaad barre's plocies. inkastoo oo ay haweenkiyo raggu haatan siman yihiin , haddana waysku doogno way iska hiida raacdaan hal adayga dumarkiyo howraarta dheeriyo hadal u wedkii galay haynagu harraadina soo haabo hobbo oo kac waxaan kuu hayaa haduub caashaqeee hooyoo dhan hooyo dhan the women answered:: inkastoo aa markii hore hoosnoo dhigayseen haddana ways ways hundo ognoo wayska hidda raacdaan harra fudaydkuyee. ( the men) hubsiimaa nin haldhan siistee waxaan loo helayn haan lagu shubee hayso oo dhan!!! the women here in this song want caution, the man want quick end and he accusing her that she wants only rhetoric (hawraar dheer oo harrrad wadata) it is this lines that i remember. although jibriil talked angerily , i think he is talking these themes. more over Jibriil got mixed but total rebuke both from the male and the women sides with different reasons. the reaction ho got is mixed and most women are offended, and rightly so. calling all women are shalow is wrong and really lie, however, jibriil is right if he says that women practice MUKUR..that is well established facts, by poets, men, schoolers, and the women them selves.. is this smart or stupid,? that is the debatable issue.. through out the somali peoms and songs, you can heard the word mukur alot of times. and he mukur topic or debate was with us till down of tmes as somali songs and poems show. the above song is a satire and it also a theme that really show the misguided policies of siyaad barre and the same time talking that there is a nature we cannot alter,, the men and the women except we can devalope and educate pple. it is also shows the fiminist pulshit and the injury it causes the relation ship between men and women and how the imposig of fouring culture on somalis created this kind of mess . ( scientific socialism of siyaad barre).. however, the song is also shows the theme of courting ( shukaansi) how it practised by early nomadics, and how it practised in the cities. this is what jibriiil is talking. however, jibriil did not address the issue probably.. he really insulted his uadience. however, the theme of why and how somali women respond their male countraparts is a reall and important issue.. and it is healthy that we talk about with great delcacy, decency, and sensentivity.. not with name calling an insulting and the misguided un ethic and unsomali ( i never hear a somali male who are bragging about marrying non somali women , except condmentation) recomandation let us runt to other pple women. generalazation wont help ,, but general question why things are the way they are is healthy thing to talk .. there are issues that really disturbing alot and jibriil either show in his writing or concealed with his views... is it right to marry non somali? isnot fiminism in the west a thing somali men face and fight against it. is some somaliwomen immitate with stupidity of fiminism. is certian somali males immitate stupidity of west, and middle east culture and thinking. how this affected before and will affect our culture and lifes.. howe we fight assimilation, how we improve our relation ships and accept or reject things that we can accepte or can rejecte. is somali shukaansi perfect or bad or more complecated, or really more relaxed or accepted as thing we all follow,, what happened the issue of consulting adults?? how we accept one an other, politically, socially,and understand our differences, concerning our politacal, and social difference, gender, generation, clans, states, regions, wars .. those are the issues we have to ponder.. jibriil raised important issues but he reallly messed up and he became out of line.. men dont defend women just because they want thier sex even if they want that is normal and healthy nothin g wrong with that. in somaliland nomadic culture you have to defend and fight for women .. remember this saying that somaliland nomads say to the man who marries thier daughter, gabadhaa dhigeeda ma lihid ee dhaqankeedaad leedahay .. in oder words, you cannot beat her or abuse her.... however, some pple say .. seedigaa haysa seegina walaashaa iskuma hubtida.. what happens is that even practically every day.. you fight for a woman try to deffend her, however, that you may encounter, she loves the man and you are the loser.. remember, also this nomadic proverb,,/ awr awr waddo iyo nin naagi waddo midna kaama baydho.. men defend women because women and chidren are the noble thing to defend. you may never get reward, or even seek reward at all ... in conclusion, hadraawi once remarked .. hadaa gaalo ama gabadh shisheeya ah ( wheather muslim or non muslim) keentan dhulkiina gabadhiinu gun weeeye... jibriil , althought you raised an important issue you missed the point, and it is up to you if you date non somali or not.. however, I and others noted the hussle of our women.. but believe me i never ever, dreamed non somali women ( muslim or non muslim). I dont know and i dont want to know other women except our own ...... mj MohamedJ give me the permission to qoute you, you seem to know much about women. I like where u said "awr awr wado iyo nin naagi waddo midna kama beydho.." Thank you brother, and i will like you to advice dem young somali girls to be cool with the shukaansiga and courtka Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted February 6, 2002 A+, i think Somalilander ladies are more proud than the rest of the Somali women, i am not a somalilander but i have noticed the difference. They are much respectable and traditionality responsible. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
A Posted February 6, 2002 I have not said nothing about somaliland ladies, as far as i know we all the same "somalis" plain and simple, if you wanna proof me otherwise go ahead i listen and learn...my take was just to respond what MJ posted, I thought he was just overdoing little bit 2much . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted February 6, 2002 hey you go guys please stop this kind of nonsense.. good debate is nice, uplifitng but, out of line is very decisive, I never said somaliland women are better than other somalis. moreover, dont take our of context the saying :" awr awr wado iyo nin naagi waddo nina kaama baydho.." on the other hand, the saying of " gabadhaa dhaqankeedaad leedahay ee dhigeeda ma lihid: maa odhan waxaa gaar uleh somaliland.. midda kale somalilnad waa meshaa aan ku soo koray, kolkaa aad u ma aqaani dhaqan hooseedyada kale ee somalida konfurta .. inyar baan joogey muqdisho, si ficanna umaaan dhexgelin dhaqaan hooseedka koonfurta.. tusaale ahaan maahmaahda aan aad u aqaana waxaa ka mid .. abkay doooli dilow dad nool ma daahayaa!!! iyo mukulaal minakeed joogtaa miciyo libaax baay leedahay!!! however, i know despite our political and social differences we are all somalis. on the other hand, in fact somaliland women are more difficult when it comes shukaansi.. perhaps of only to thier own men . as the songs and peoms and drams of somaliland poets show, they have deep MUKIRIS. however, we like the way they are, because we know it,and it was a long mendset, even our poets talk about it, but they did not stop creating one of the most deep lyrics, praise, love and critical words you can ever immagine.. on the other hand, the south somali women are really good too, but they are sensative and responsive to thier men. i mean you guys talk to them easily your women than we are .. jibriil you have understand, although this issue is very sensative, and in some cases you are out of line,especially when yu said non somali women is better than the somali women, you look too shallow, and not sensativ. one thing you generalise our women , second,you declared that other women are less stupid than the somali women.. that is stupidity it self.. you can say what ever you like those who rebuked your comments.. however, I have to addmit there is arrogancy especailly these days in both the two camps ..several somalimen and several somaliwomen.. we have the right to question some issues, but we have no right to generalize and think as indivituals we have to represents our respective genders.. no one can defend men and women as indivitaul, but every body has to put on the table his/her thoughts with decency,and respect.. if stereotype one an other, how we can stop others steroetyping. as i said before there is a real issue but but debating those issues dont need name calling and arrogancy.. you accuse the women an arrogancy .. yes there could be arrogant women as there are arrogant men.. however, the let us go back the issue of shukaansi.. we men really some times are hypocracies.. we want a vergin women and at the same time we want to sleep every women and at the same time we dont want to marry the women we slept .. isnot that an arrogacn or stupidity???? sorry i cannot finish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted February 6, 2002 MJ, The truth is, the somaliland girls are more of a somali woman than other southern somali girls, they dont mixed with non-somali(those of them who know something) and they have the characteristic of womanhoos. I have seduced both Northerners and southerners, the SL girls might be very hard to get to her but sure she posses many qualities other women lack. The southerners do speak sweet sometimes and are open about many taboo subjects but they don't have even abit of somaliness in their blood. When i generalise them i meant the most of them but not all of them. [This message has been edited by MrJibriiL (edited 02-06-2002).] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted February 6, 2002 jibriil, that is not 100%true.. yes somaliland women are very hard to get and even to talk to but one thing is clear, there is many somaliland born women I know that really date or married to non somalis ... however, true many of them really oppose and frown non somali dating.... both somaliland and south somalis have good qualities and stupid qualities like men .. both genarally oppose dating non somalis .. jjibriil, the real thing in which you and i aare in agreement is there are real issues as there and out of line issues here.. I agreee that girls dont take seriously or even unkind to thier countrparts in the ddiasapora, but at the sametime there are many other ways to get somali women like ggoing back home or having patiance and always looking the nice one rather than recommending an inhalation and dating non somali women.. and it isnot also somali gentle men's behavour to call all somali women stupid and shallow.. that is absuletely wrooooonnnnnngggggg. yes if you see in the aroosyo or parting they really dance to gether that is stupid and selfish acts. i agree with you that, but that doesnot mean thay are stupid all of them.. i come across some if you say hallo to think you insulted n no matter where she came from, they may not even say to you back hallo, i have come across some of them who put the face I cannot imagine and react as though you killed her father or you are eating her alive. how ever, i came across alot of them who really talk to you nicely or even interesting you.. i remember,once i said to woman i met in a bus i was travalling in canda you are beautifull but her reaction was shocking and even disgusting.. she insulted me back, i looked my sides to make sure others did not heard.. there is a lot of them that are silly and if you try to greet the salaan of salaama calykum did not return .. forget about any shukaansi... but there are alot of them that will great you and say to you good greeting... so sir not genaralize girls as you cannot genaralize boys.. some of your remarks are true and right, but some of your remarks are wrong and dis gracing and insulting of somalimen and womens intelegency shukaansi of somali women is really hell and disrepectfull and deamining to men, wwheather you came from somaliland jabuuti, somalia, or other somali homelands . we have to fear thier parents, brothers, and uncles , and so on.. we will pay and give away our small earnigs with demandig aroos and furniture and the after week, we are on the door. we have to spend a countless nights courting, talking in the phone as the girls give us a signal of matting or dating or i am interesting you too.. you may loose a thuasand of our many and gifts, and the other day we dont even get thanks..... even we may not even talk to our mothers or sisters, and even give the money at all. because we as human being has to create our families.. but many men really created a bad precdent back home as i discussed on the other tread. 1. if somali man likes to sleep with women why at the sametime he did notlike to marry the woman he slept with. 2. why we want a virigin woman to marry and at the same time want to break every virgin, 3.why every every man did not think if he mistreated woman in this respect, he doesnot know that somebody else will mistreat his sister... my friend this is not all men but they are general problems that fostered this kind of mistrust....... once more, there is alot of relative things we as a young boys in the disapora do as the girls do .. so genaralizing is not fair... it is not the tools of educated, wise, and informed persons.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted February 7, 2002 Firstly, It is so misleading to think that we (Somalis) are in the same stutus as others, We no longer have - EDUCATED - WELL-INFORMED-INDIVIDUALS, OR PRIDE AND DIGNITY on our side. These dreams of calling a somali !gentleman is somewhat short of acuracy i believe. Lets just call ourselfs men(close to morans) not gentlemen coz we haven't earn that title of gentleness. Secondly mj, There is a slight difference between the 2 types of girls we've talked about earlier, SL and the SOM girls and that slight difference is what i mention but otherwise they are both in the same boat. I am sure you can all understand why i am so bitter about this situations, not only am i accusing girls only but my accussation strench to men too. Let me not go into the men one now but sooner or later i will bring up that motion. I have asked many questions concerning the behavioural changes of our women and the embarrassment they've coursed already. I have answers to the questions i've asked and i what i was expecting from the girls was a feminine answer to my questions. I have solutions that can solve all these problems and i will tell you what to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abdinuur Posted February 7, 2002 <font color="blue" face="COMIC SANS MS" size"16" Is this a debatable topic or what? Shouldnt it be in different category? One Luv Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted February 7, 2002 waryaa MjJabriil waxaa horay loo yiri dawaco socodkedi ka tagtay kii nabigana gaari weyday wiilyahow meel dhaxe baa ku dhumtay ee allah bari in uu ku cawiyo walaahi i feel sorry for you couse mais ogidee meesha waa isku ceysay And don't give me that shit about somaliland girls are better than somaliweyn girls that's bulshit and we all know that somaliweyn girls are not that easy at all i don't know waxaad saas u ledahay waryaa soco nagaha cadaanka raac hadaad rabto ee ceyda beenta ah nagadaa ninyahow if u hate urself that much go on and make a fool of urself or something but keep us out of it!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted February 7, 2002 jibriil i dont think the word gentlemen shows wheather you are educated or informed, but i used as a man who knows how treat others with respect.. however, i didnot disagree with you that there are a shallow women, i only disagree with you the genaralization of people and using one person, group of persons or the whole set of peopel interchangeable.. personally speaking, i dont have as I told you a close relationship with our women, or any other women in that matter.. however, you are wrong there is no educated individtuals or un informed poeple .. of course there more uneducated pple than the educaated pple.. bu there are alot of educated men and women.. meanwhile, I really met alot of stupid, timid, gold diggers, ignorent and shallow women who realy pissme of, however, i am wrong if i say they are all likle that .. what i disagree with you is your methodalgy of analysing the the themes you are talking about.. I agree there are difference of pple , how they think, characters, and attitudes... more over, how can you educate pple or change if you are just insulting. one more time, i agree with you that our girls are pain in the ass bur genarally they are not all cold and shallow.. there alot, alot of them who are warm, sensative and intelgent... mj Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hibo Posted February 7, 2002 Those who disagree with Mr. Jabriil and those who don't agree with Mr. Jabriil all have one thing in common, you are all categorizing. To say Somali women are this, and Somali women are "queens", is just a huge categorziation. Can't a woman, educated or not educated be judge only on her merits, accomplishments and characteristics, must she be grouped or bunch with all the women in her race and be generalized. We are missing a huge word in this topic/debate( I am yet to figure exactly what to call this) and that word is Individuality. Find the man/woman that fits your particular needs, look for the person's personality and make sure it's someone that makes you feel good regardless of their race. We are all different human beings. Sparkle* Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
