Kenya’s privileged tribe is on the run

[Faarax-Brawn]

Originally posted by Baashi:

Trade-offs budy trade-offs. Unlike you warmongers, peace and stability are far more important to Kenyans methinks. Granted there are corruption and bais in the system but that discrepency can be straighten out without putting the entire house the Kenya is on fire. Anarchy doesn't benefit anyone awoowe.

 

Had Aideed Sr. managed to keep the lid on negative backlash his knsmen axact against old establishment he would have saved Somalia and crowned himself as the uncontested presidenct. Look at us today. What did addressing injustice instituted by military junta has done for the populace.

 

No awoowe let peace prevail in Kenya. Condition is not that bad to wish for anarchy.

Baashi,the average Kenyan is a peace loving war hating individual. But, what you are failing to understand here is that,there is a few elite people who have ruled the country since indepedence. These 2% of leaders in the 80s control own almost half the arable land in the country, own most of the businesses and get kickbacks from sham govt contracts. The rest of country,and i mean the entire country is left out. The Western part of Kenya,The North,The South and the East are all under developed and people live below the poverty line. The industries,the businesses,the corporations and ALL Govt entities are all in one tribes hands. The problem is,unless these men are stopped NOW,this will continue. It continued when Kenyatta gave power to MOI and MOI Wanted to give power to Kenyatta's son. This cycle had to and needs to be stopped.

 

 

Most Kenyans(except Kikuyus) want to end this circle of recycled old guards & their choosen puppets. The majority of the people,want to end this. This election was between the rich(kikuyu) vs the rest of Kenyans. It was about equitable distribution of resources and ending the status quo.

 

That is why, Odinga and his ODM won in 6 out of 8 pronvinces. And Kibaki only one 1 & 1/2 province(his Central province and part of Eastern) whereas Kalonzo Musyoka won only half of Eastern. The funny thing is, these two men,who shared two provinces between themselves are now forming a govt. How ridiculous is this? And do you think the inhabitants of the 6 provinces will agree to be ruled by two men who only won from their own land? HELL NO.

 

Abti,its easy to say peace but its hard to convince a people who have suffered long and who have been cheated. Watch this,Kenya will erupt into some violence caawo(after this cabinet naming).

[Paragon]

^^Baashi understands little of the gravity of concerns in Kenya, hence his misinformed comments.

 

Baashi, if you consider us warmongers, perhabs it is time you sample the opinion of other Kenyans too. Here are 141 comments made under 2 hours after the cabinet was announced. You just read it for yourself.

 

Kamekucha comments

[Baashi]

Fair point Blue balck brown Farax. I have been there. I have been in Nakuru (I took my cousin to Hospital run by Germans circa 1990). I know the place.

 

Awoowe Moi was Kalenjin and back then Kikuyu were complaining about Kalenjins (spelling not sure).

 

Bottom line is no one benefits from all out war. Kenya has a robust economy, it has the respect of many nations around the world. It has also a weak point which is ethnic collection -- combustible. Enflame the sitaution and mob will take over. They won't address the injustice. What they will only do is burn and loot. That's what you are looking for I guess.

 

Odinga has a political capital today. If he has the skills required he can milk that capital. Kibaki wants the presidency. Government system is more than presidency. Take judicial system and reform it. Take up the land issue in the parliament and reform it.

 

I don't see what's preventing him to use the resources he has now. Milk as much as you can from Kibaki and use majority you have in the parliamemt. It is doable. Save the country.

 

Sideedana awoowe in politics it is always prudent to appeal to the center and not to give in to extreme interest groups at the priphery. My man Odinga has a choice to make: give in to Kelinjins or consolidate the support from all other ethnic collection who propelled him to the position he is in today.

[Paragon]

Baashi:

Bottom line is no one benefits from all out war. Kenya has a robust economy, it has the respect of many nations around the world. It has also a weak point which is ethnic collection -- combustible. Enflame the sitaution and mob will take over. They won't address the injustice. What they will only do is burn and loot. That's what you are looking for I guess.

Lol. Its the economy , man! Cadoow ama aan ku cuno ama aan ku ciideeyo wweye xaalku, sxb.

 

PS: Haven't you heard? Ruto has already declared 'we are taking over Kenya', possibly with the help of Karamajong Freedom Fighters.

[Baashi]

Obama reaches out to Kenyan leaders

[Paragon]

Even the Blonde Beauties are fleeing...!

[Faarax-Brawn]

Odinga has a political power today. If he has the skills required he can milk that capital. Kibaki wants the presidency. Government system is more than presidency. Take judicial system and reform it. Take up the land issue in the parliament and reform it

You dont know Kenya Markaas. Everything,even the dooro that sneezes,must pass the dreaded OP ,acronym for Office of the President.

 

Odinga,championed for a referundum that he won which basically reduced the power and influence of the office of the president. Which was to be implemented after he would have been sworn in as Kenya's fourth President.

 

Peace,political negotiotion and compromise is needed. Problem is,we have been there and done that. In 2002,Odinga basically put Kibaki in Power after Moi tried to bring in Uhuru's son. They had an agreement but,days after he was sworn in, he flicked the finger on him. This Impasse basically started in 02,Waxba ma ogidee and Kenya has since been divided. It was 7 provinces(Before Musyoka pulled out) against 1. But,somehow miraculously, Kibaki got voted in. Go figure.....

 

Mjomba,So long as Kibaki is the President and Odinga and his 110 elected MPs(from the rest of Kenya) in the opposition, Filinkaan masoconayo. You are under estimating the level of anger and frustration.

[Paragon]

Uncertainty over talks as President names Cabinet

By BERNARD NAMUNANE

Last updated: 37 minutes ago

 

A cloud of uncertainty hangs over mediation efforts after half of the Cabinet was named as Ghanaian President John Kufuor jetted in to help resolve the political crisis in the country.

 

ODM leaders, who were meeting to prepare for mediation talks, were taken aback by President Kibaki’s announcement of 17 members of the Cabinet.

 

Pentagon member William Ruto stepped out of the meeting and accused President Kibaki of engaging in acts that were likely to endanger the talks.

 

“President Kibaki is showing acts of intransigence and utmost bad faith. He is trying to scuttle the discussions with President Kufuor,” he said.

 

President Kufuor touched down at the Jomo Kenyatta International Airport evening to embark on a mission of bringing President Kibaki of PNU and Mr Raila Odinga of ODM to a negotiation table.

 

Said Mr Ruto: “Kibaki was not elected the President of Kenya. Kenyans and everybody, including the international community, know who was elected.”

 

Earlier, Mr Odinga had stated that his party was going into the mediation efforts by President Kufuor, the African Union chairman, knowing that President Kibaki was illegitimately in office.

 

“Let Mr Kibaki know that as we go to the talks, we do not recognise him as the President of Kenya. We are going to put our cards on the table on the strength that we won the elections and we want to be given a chance to govern,” he said.

 

The mediation mission by President Kufuor was widely supported by United States President George Bush, British Prime Minister Gordon Brown and the European Union.

 

Mr Odinga asked President Kibaki to stop engaging in “sideshows” and instead concentrate on the mediation efforts to end the political impasse that has plunged the country into violence.

 

He added that President Kibaki, re-appointed Finance minister Amos Kimunya and Government spokesman Alfred Mutua had issued statements that demean the efforts and demanded that the Government adhere to rules of engagement in the talks.

 

Rule of law

 

“We have already gone an extra mile and set aside my fully justified pre-conditions for any negotiations. I urge Mr Kibaki to begin treating the negotiations with the same seriousness if he wishes to ensure that Kenyans respect democracy and the rule of law,” Mr Odinga said.

 

He added: “Even after finally facilitating President Kufuor’s arrival, Mr Kibaki could not refrain from starting a sideshow to distract attention from this mission with a reconciliation meeting. Clearly, he is extremely worried about an independent international review of the election outcome.”

 

Sources said ODM had set its conditions for the mediation talks, which are expected to begin today.

 

Top on their list is a re-tallying of the Presidential votes to determine the true winner. The party showed the media its own forensic audit of the 47 constituencies that were in contention. The audit showed that the ECK irregularly added 471,103 votes to President Kibaki’s tally and only 2,772 were added to Mr Odinga’s score.

 

Their second condition was a re-run of the presidential election featuring only President Kibaki and Mr Odinga, in three months.

 

The third condition was based on the proposal of a coalition government, floated by President Kibaki. ODM leaders, sources said, would demand that the Bomas Draft form the basis of the agreement, with President Kibaki playing a ceremonial role while ODM gets the executive prime minister’s position. In addition, ODM would demand 60 per cent of all Cabinet positions, key parastatal positions and civil service jobs.

 

As ODM leaders planned their strategy, their rivals in PNU were also locked in meetings.

 

Sources said they are working on the verification report of the presidential votes carried out by the Electoral Commission and presidential agents. The sources said the party planned to make public the audit to show Kenyans and the international community that President Kibaki won the bitterly contested elections.

 

The report was a last-minute effort by the ECK to convince all political parties on the night of December 30, the day before it declared President Kibaki winner, of the integrity of the tallying.

 

The scrutiny, which was witnessed by two presidential agents representing the eight contestants, was attended by Justice and Constitutional Affairs minister Martha Karua (PNU) and Ugenya MP-elect James Orengo (ODM).

 

Commissioner Raiji Riunga supervised the inspection of the votes from all constituencies except Kajiado North and Molo.

 

Said PNU’s presidential campaign manager George Nyamweya: “The truth in the verification report is there for everybody to see. It shows that President Kibaki won the elections.”

 

But ODM has opposed the statement, stating that party agents were ejected from the tallying hall when they started pointing out the irregularities.

 

Sources also said President Kibaki’s handlers thought it was important that he goes to the negotiation table having put in place a section of his Government to cement his hold on the position.

 

Although it was earlier indicated that the Cabinet was to be named on Friday, President Kibaki had to make last evening’s announcement to make it clear that he was in charge

 

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[Faarax-Brawn]

^This guy doesnt care about ODM or the people of Kenya. He has decided and he doesnt give a hoot.

 

its GSU vs Kenya hada..watch for the sh1t to hit the fan caawo.

[STOIC]

Farax, I am feeling your frustration...

 

 

I doubt if Kibaki is in for peaceful reconciliation. He is clearly showing all the signs of a rogue leader. When you appoint cabinet position to people who are political liability and a symbol of all corruption it does surely shows that you are pulling the country in wrong direction. For a starter if Kibaki wanted a peaceful reconciliation he should have waited until tomorrow meeting between him and Odinga take place. He went ahead and named his cabinet. He surely shipwrecked the peaceful negotiation that was under way!

With all optimism in place I doubt if the civil society of Kenya will let this swept under the rug. Kenyan People are themselves the agent of change that propelled Kibaki into presidency back in 02. He wrecked the way democracy was supposed to be engineered. He is the father of kleptocratic politics.

 

Odinga for now needs to use the tools at his disposal.Since the opposition are majority in the parliament they can use their power to curb Kibaki corrupt government by blocking key bills they want to pass. Someone has to sacrifice for the sake of Kenya. As much as I would like Odinga to fight through the corrupt judicial system if everything else is exhausted including re-election bid he should let this one slid. A quick and hard decision will be needed from Odinga in the next few days. I hope he becomes that progressive and decisive leader that people supported. Lets all pray for Peace!

[Somaliwayn1]

Baashi ugaas your forgeting one thing and that one thing is Oding cannot do anyting on the parliment side....... remember (money is everything in kenya and kibaki will buys votes)

 

just like our president

[ElPunto]

At the end of the day - you cannot destroy your country because your group was denied power even in a clearly flawed election as this. This is just retarded. That type of mentality led to the utter collapse of Somalia. I don't believe in the end Kenyans will got that route. They're much too civilized.

[General Duke]

^^^I agree with Bashi and ThePoint. My own thoughts are that Kenya has the horrible history of its neighbours to to reflect on what war will mean to all its people. The Somali & Rawandan experiences, so fresh and current must not be forgotten.

 

I hope for the sake of all Kenyan's and our poor Somali's who have found shelter and those in the NFD ,that they [Kenyan's] will indeed heed the lessons of history.

[Separatist]

Many here are diluded by the fact that Raila has majority in parliament. But in reality ODM has no say in parliament as they need a total of 145 Mps to even pass a constitutional law in the house. This means Raila need the support of around 29 more mps to even point a finger at the government's desk. Save for the ODM's few nominees.

 

Kibaki have already won the support of other small parties (With the naming of a DP Mp into the cabinet). The smaller parties, who btw stand as an independent organ, have ca. 30 members, so with PNU's 33 and Kalonzo's 16, Kibaki can infact dilly dally with Raila's moves in the house. The only power ODM posses in parliament is the power to vote down motions/laws from the gov't. Kibaki has that opportunity too.

 

And don't be suprised if you see a whole lot of opposition Mps on Kibaki's side come 1 yrs time. That's politics in Kenya. Expect the Somali mps first;). They follow the flow as usual.

 

PS. The constitution allows Kibaki to appoint anyone to his cabinet regardless of party affiliation.

 

And for the record: Should Raila settle for a coalition with Kibaki, then expect a Kikuyu dynasty for atleast another 15 years. Who knows, maybe another Kikuyu hero comes into the limelight when Uhuru ends his term in 2022.

[xiinfaniin]

Allow Kenya noo daa, oo nabaddeeda noo ilaali. Kenanys waa dad nasab ah, nacab iyo ***** keliyya ayyuunbaa xaqiri kara lib kay soomaali ku leeyihiin.

 

Al Gore was robbed of his presidency too. And he behaved in civilized manner. Odinga, if he is a man of vision, should do the same.