the United States is supportive of the idea of a deployment of such a force

[RedSea]

Hmm,sad to not know that one does things for their own interests and not yours.It's called taking advantage of the weak and vunrable like Somalia.

[General Duke]

^^^The same can be said about the Clan Courts using the sacred faith to enhance narrow clan and business interests.. Shame really..

[General Duke]

Mareykanka oo shaaca ka qaaday inuu taageerayo qorshaha ciidamada loogu dirayo dalka Soomaaliya.

 

 

Washington:- Tom Keysi oo ah afhayeen u hadlay wasaarada arrimaha dibada dalka Mareykanka ayaa waxa uu shaaca ka qaaday in dalkiisa uu taageero ballaaran u hayo ciidamada nabad ilaalinta ee urur goboleedka IGAD uu geynayo dalka Soomaaliya isagoo sheegay in golaha amaanka ee Qm dhawaan uu ka doodayo qorshaha ciidamadaasi dalkiisa uu ka mid noqon doono dalalka qalinka ku duuga qorshahaasi.

 

Afhayeenkan oo saxaafada hadal siinayey ayaa tilmaamay in haatan baahi weyn oo loo qabo ciidamadaasi ay ka jiro dalka Soomaaliya waxaana uu sheegay in hadafka ciidanka uu yahay sidii loo soo celin lahaa amniga dalka isla markaana gacan loo siin lahaa dawlada federaalka.

 

" Urur goboleedka IGAD oo gacan ka helaya ururka midowga Africa dhawaan waxa uu golaha amaanka soo hordhigay qorshe ku aadan ciidamada loo dirayo dalka Soomaaliya ,dhawaanna waxaan filaynaa in golaha amaanka uu ka doodi doono qorshahaasi anaga si weyn ayaan u taageeraynaa " ayuu yiri Tom Keysi oo intaasi ku daray " Waxaa waajib ah in ciidamadaasi in noqdaan kuwa awood leh oo gacan ka geysan kara soo celinta amniga dalka".

 

Hadalka kasoo yeeray dawlada Mareykanka ayaa u muuqanaya mid gacan loogu fidinayo dawlada Soomaaliya ,ayadoo Mareykankana uu bilaabay in uu daneeyo arrimaha Soomaaliya tan iyo markii maxkamadaha islaamka ay ku guuleysteen in ay la wareegeen gobolo fara badan oo dalka Soomaaliya ka tirsan.

 

Jibrin Nuur

Waayaha.netMuqdisho-Somalia.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

Hmm,sad to not know that one does things for their own interests and not yours.It's called taking advantage of the weak and vunrable like Somalia.

red are you saying that stablizing Somalia is an american interest. is it not first and formost a somali interst. In world deplomacy, we must not be shortsighted to decalre we are being taken advantage of when we are really being helped. Statcraft requires that we look for common interst and that is the fastest way to accomplish something.

[RedSea]

^well say what you want to say,you have that right,however,you are saying or stating what is right.the plat form of the argument should be based on what is right,not I have just posted a something on some political discussion.

 

I think you and Frank are losing it,you need to rethink your positions,and further seperate those who want something good to happen for you over those who don't.

 

As for the "clan courts",I think they are closer to you more than the U.S foreign policy.The U.S views us an African who isn't capable of doing anything for his own.Just thought you should know that.

 

NN,I think with all due respect sir,you are being short sighted to say the least here,you are not being helped,the involvement of outside forces have been tried before even by the U.S and failed miserably,what makes you think it will work this time,there is gotta be a way better alternative source.

[General Duke]

^^^Red Sea why are you confusing yourself, was it not the clan courts out of sheer ignorance who declared war on everybody who was an obsticle to taking over power. Jihad on Baidoa, Puntland, Jihad on Ethiopia, "bring it on" and so on.

 

The government was weak because it was not allowed to arm itself and thus take the security in their won hands. This has changed now.

 

Thanks to the Clan Courts.

[RedSea]

I thought the arms embargo was still in place,who has armed the TFG?

 

Jihad on Ethiopia doesn't have to be about taking arms against them,or at least it doesn't have to go into effect right away,it's still in place and Ethiopia will be dealt in some sooner or later.

 

Jihad on TFG and Puntland? where did you hear that from,dont' lie abti.

[General Duke]

^^^Saxib you heard from Xasan Turki, you heard from Cagawayene of Al-Furqan court, so dont deny, Abti.

 

Also the TFG arms now are local, the RRA's and Puntland with few shipments coming from Yemen, Ethiopia, Kenya and Uganda. This is the right of a governemnt but not any faction. Remembr even the Clan Courts with their ********* recognise the TFG sometimes, they even welcomed the Speaker as the Parliment speaker and thus recognise his position.

 

Now with the arms embargo lifted Insha Allah the TFG will get arms from world powers, China & US being at the fore front. This is why the TFG has been quite, waiting....

 

The Jihad decleration against Ethiopia, seemed fun at the time right? Wearing the millitary uniform seemed rather brave for Sahrif Ahmed right?

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

As for the "clan courts",I think they are closer to you more than the U.S foreign policy.The U.S views us an African who isn't capable of doing anything for his own.Just thought you should know that.

if your arguement was grounded in reality at all,instead of some innate hatred you have for the US, you would have realized that weather or not the US views african that way or not, it is an inarguable fact that we africans can not do anything for our selfs. Only thing we are capable of is to kill and destroy.

I think you and Frank are losing it,you need to rethink your positions,and further seperate those who want something good to happen for you over those who don't.

honestly, I would have given you the same advice. Like all sane people, puntland government and the transitional governement including the president hemself, we celebrated the success of the islamic courts when they said they were a peoples uprising despite our misgiving about some of the characters in it. Yet when they turned around killing, occupying land, attacking the government, decalring war on neighbors, violating the rights of people and inviting jihadis to a country ravaged by war and famine, all sane people took a step back and started to see them for what they are. there is not doubt in my mind that these people can not be salution to Somalia's problems but will only flame the fire. so, how about asking your self what you have asked me and start questioning who is good for our country and not.

[RedSea]

^so much ignorance can be detected from your comments dear Frank and Duke.

 

It's really rather simple to see the goodwork done by the ICU,they don't need the praise of the U.S,the Somali people have praised it except few individuals such as you. so I won't even argue about that fact since you have denied that bit.

 

another point is that whether or not I have hate for the U.S,it's not your main concern for you have no say to in that regard Frank.

 

Duke,the Jihad is still intact,and as I said,Ethiopia will be dealt sooner or later,it doesn't have to be today or tommorow(Rome wasn't built in a day) as you know.

 

As for declaring Jihad on the TFG and Puntland,I think it's one of your nightmares you had about the ICU in the past months,so questioned me,since I was awake...nay they didn't say such.

 

NN,I will tell what is good for you and the country of Somalia when you start opening your ears and eyes,as well as when you flip the channel into reality. However,let me give you first hand hints,it's not the U.S nor Ethiopia or whomever they support.

[General Duke]

^^^Red Sea, the brother made some good points the TFG welcomed the change in Mogadishu but was not willing to be hijacked by anyone least of all a Clan Court, the TFG reprsents all Somali's armed and unarmed and the execuses you are making will not wash.

 

This change when it happens Insha Allah is a landmrk, because for two years it was the US, that was resisting the removal of the embargo.

 

Now the Clan Courts came to power with the guns, now they face a new stark choice, disarm or fight, but now with bigger guns against you.

[Abu-Salman]

Red sea, miyaad is waydiisay sababaha ay iskaga indhatirayaan xaqiiqada qof walba u muuqata?

 

And yes, my previous post was adressed to your so-called "Frank"; his phobia of anything remotely Islamic and Shariah implementation is hardly surprising if he precise that he is not concerned by Islam as a non-Muslim.

 

Ama duke, isaga, xitaa cunug yar ayaa sheegi kara xagga laga hayo (everything is about "Abduqaassim's clan" VS my own clan").

 

Sometimes, we need to be frank and respect people's intelligence; not everyone can be duped every time.

 

Yaab iyo nus; I always thought Christianism was about peace, love, caring ect as they pretend it...

[RedSea]

"Red Sea,miyaad is waydiisay sababaha ay iskaga indhatirayaan xaqiiqda qof walba u muuqata"

 

hate for certain clan offcourse,all good things are dismissed regardless of any amount of positive one can do,becasue of their qabiil affliations.

 

on the article:This article doesn't state that the U.S is extending good warm hand in order to help the Somali situation,however,U.S suggested that it would be good idea if foreign forces intervened with Somalia in order to bring "peace".This is exactly what I have disagreed,because we already know the consequence that it may bring if foreign forces were brought from neighboring countries,not to mention Ethiopia has been univited guest for some time now.I think the U.S knows few things of how things would go if foreign fighters under the unmberella of "peace keeping"force went into Somalia.It spells a disaster in my opinion and therefore is not neccessary to make such move or even to suggest it.

 

If the U.S is serious about helping the Somali situation,they should choose other options that are available to help out the Somali situation,they could donate money and food for the starving,rather than suggest military interference into Somalia from neighboring countries,which is simply not good idea at all.

[Taleexi]

Red Sea, some may think america is interested seeing a stable somalia, I personally doubt it.. Yusuf and Aweis are sole individuals who are responsible if war erupts and civilians are either killed or displaced.. they are in charge and their next manuevers in somali political discourse will shape somali's future.. May Allah enligthen them in the right path

[Wiilo]