Peacenow Posted August 1, 2007 The brother is talking tough, when he says he is prepared to attack and invade Pakistan, without their permission or not to find Al-Qaeida. Think of that a Black man, with the power to rout the rag heads and the backwards and send shivers down their spine. It makes me very proud. He is leading the news with this policy statement and it is making a impact. He is front page on BBC and NYTimes and no doubt everywhere else with this. If we think strategically, it is important, as i have been saying that we allign with Black nations, cause right now we are not seen as such. We are being killed with impunity as a legacy of mixing with the Arabs and their culture and what have we got from it. Nothing. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Obama-Terrorism.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khalaf Posted August 1, 2007 peacenow, read the autobiography of Malcolm X (Allahu ya Raxmah), u can learn a lot from that. it should be at the library if they don't have it in Milan, give me your address and ill ship to u for free man. Dude serious u are messed up man, my brothers are not those who I share a race, enthincity with but those I share a religion with. F black, african iyo somali, even my flesh and blood if they don;t share my aqeedah, closer to me is one regardless of color or nation that is of my aqeedah deenul islam. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted August 1, 2007 ^LOL - no respite from WarOnArabsAlways K - everyone is part of the human race and we need to stretch our hands out to them. But you're rite our closest ties are to the ummah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peacenow Posted August 1, 2007 Khalaf, I have gone beyond the realm of the religious 'brotherhood' that that has done nothing but damage to the Somali people mind. I'm in the cold hard reality of the present day and the pragmatic realism that can lift this nation to join the modern world. Where we should now be debating the awful traffic jam you have just experienced in Somali's biggest city as you came from work and that great new sushi place that has opened downtown- rather than a full on forlorn occupied disaster it is presently. Come and join me, in this new thinking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted August 1, 2007 Pakistan: population - 156 million, size - 803,9401 km² I-raq: population - 27 million, size - 438,317 km² Good luck wit that O. Talk about foreign policy blunders - one after the other for the junior from Illinois. All figures courtesy of wikipedia. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted August 1, 2007 Aligning with black nations - the least developed on the planet on every front or the cigaals who have some stuff going for them and who will hand out dollops of aid to us. It's a strange argument. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peacenow Posted August 1, 2007 ThePoint. no one is talking about a full on invasion. If you have strong intelligence, you can send missles and drones now to just take care of it. You can also put in special troops. What he is saying is that if he has that information, he will will take that action without telling the Pakistanis or asking for their permission. Technically it is a invasion, but what can they do? You get the idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khalaf Posted August 1, 2007 A strange arguement indeed. Peacenow sxb I don’t understand your beef or your logic in how you come with your conclusions. On the one hand I share your frustration at the state of our people and country Somalia, on the other hand I don’t understand how in your head you link all our problems on Islam and “the Arabs”. Why don’t you explain that to first. Don’t run and hide, and throw out accusations logically defend your accusations and conclusions that you made. Two: what do you suggest to the somali community: should they leave their religion and embrace modernism aka western traditions or embrace “black power”, which one is it? Serious sxb your not making sense to me, and I am doing my best here not to jump the gun and come up with my own conclusions. The floor is yours, explain away. Thepoint sxb I understand everyone is part of the human race and we Muslims respect and honor all bani adam, but islam and the prophetic tradition categorizes people’s closeness/bond on aqeedah and not race/blood/linage ect. Peacenow, or pansomalism/nationalists ect advocates should understand this important element of their aqeedah (Faith), and not have any haterd/dislike against the believers nor like for them to suffer, or be "invaded" as peacenow is doing on this thread. ps: Peacenow are u Muslim? Serious sxb, no hard feelings lakiin go learn your deen and history, because you talking a lot of Ignorance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peacenow Posted August 1, 2007 Khalaf, I think i have answered this questions before, but I will lay out my thinking as these things need and can be updated as time goes by. Above I would say, i'm pragmatic and certainly a realist. I would support for example the Asmara group over the TFG. Simply because, I'm dead against Ethiopia in Somalia. Even though, I would differ with the ICU in their vision, these things can shift, and I'm pre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Peacenow Posted August 1, 2007 Khalaf, I think i have answered this questions before, but I will lay out my thinking as these things need and can be updated as time goes by. Above I would say, i'm pragmatic and certainly a realist. I would support for example the Asmara group over the TFG. Simply because, I'm dead against Ethiopia in Somalia. Even though, I would differ with the ICU in their vision, these things can shift, and I'm pre Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Khalaf Posted August 1, 2007 Peacenow you see that is the problem, you never answer any questions or defend your claims when challenged. Remember the topic: "islam weakens somalia" posted twice in two different sections? You ranted, but didn't defend your claims, you may have your own agendas Allah Knows Best, but continue to rant sxb, but drill this in ur head we the people of Somalia are Muslims first and foremost, and we share a long great history and links with the Muslims of Arabiya and throughout the ummah. Hopefully ull understand that one day inshallah, but read this piece on your way out. She is quite brilliant, and I think is talking about you. and btw Obama has no chance, zero, zip of becoming the president of US, what a joke . For you Peacenow, Enjoy it. peace out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chimera Posted August 1, 2007 Talk is cheap Pakistan got Nukes Go ahead offend the average Pakistani and this western president Muzzie will be replaced by the Musulmans they fear trigger happy + =game over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naxar Nugaaleed Posted August 1, 2007 if true, i still can not believe such an intelligent man would say something like this, Obama if of my list. Gen. Pervez Musharraf who has become a scapegoat for everything wrong with the war on terror, is the last hope for a peaceful pakistan, such an action would lead to the overthrow of his government and the radicals will be in power. Most likely, America will have neither the appetite nor ability to attack Pakistan, a nuclear power, such action might destroy what little power the moderates have now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordon Gekko Posted August 2, 2007 It just hit me that Mrs. Ayan Hirsi is active on this board under a pseudonym. Hey hows Washington? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites