Confederacy: The case of Puntland

[Illyria]

56 minutes ago, Tallaabo said:

Why resort to personal insults when MMA merely pointed out the facts? The confederation you are peddling here is just a cover up for secession. What kind of a political entity demands full sovereignty and yet remains a constituent part of a sovereign state?

f@ck off, you dimwit, read what he said  before responding with nacamlayn,  and learn how to decipher meaning out of complex concepts.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

4 hours ago, Tallaabo said:

Why resort to personal insults when MMA merely pointed out the facts? The confederation you are peddling here is just a cover up for secession. What kind of a political entity demands full sovereignty and yet remains a constituent part of a sovereign state?

Labawajinimada waa lagu yaqaanaa. I gave kudos to secessionists in Waqooyi Galbeed, they are open unlike kuwaan anaga naga dhaadhiciyo rabo goonigoosad ma nihin but behave exactly like them. Ceeb ma qabato. Berina ka sug baasaboor sameysaneynaa and post inexcusable reasons like EU passports and like to find a bogus reason.

They are also completely ignoring the very dastuur nagu wareeriyeen waxa ku qoran. When it fits them, it must be followed. If it doesn't, ignore it waaye sheekadoodaa.

If one walks, acts, speaks and behaves like a secessionist then that person is ultra closet secessionist.

[Dhagax-Tuur]

War bal faduushaan daya! 

War meeshaan wadan ma jiree nin walbow taada u tasho.  Wiilku hadaas leeyahay waa ku meel gaareenaa (ha ila dagaalin) inta aan fully fledged Puntland state ku dhawaaqeeno waa talo. 

The f@ck with Xamar iyo hsm.  Somali wax lala sheegto ma istashilaan.  Yes, I said it. Xanaaq.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Dhagaxtuur, Xasan Socdaal beri tagaayo iyo dal jiray, jiro iyo jiri doono kala saar. Soomaaliya wey jiri doontaa, Rabi ha idmee. Haddaa isleedahay maamul goboleed yar yar ayaa meel Iska soo saari karo, waa riyooneysaa.

If Soomaaliya kala tagto, Xabashi and Kiikuuyo will equally swallow yar yarka soo haray. Taas meel ku qoro.

Anyway, waxa maanta jiro waa laga baxaa.

[Dhagax-Tuur]

On 12/27/2024 at 9:54 AM, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:

Dhagaxtuur, Xasan Socdaal beri tagaayo iyo dal jiray, jiro iyo jiri doono kala saar. Soomaaliya wey jiri doontaa, Rabi ha idmee. Haddaa isleedahay maamul goboleed yar yar ayaa meel Iska soo saari karo, waa riyooneysaa.

If Soomaaliya kala tagto, Xabashi and Kiikuuyo will equally swallow yar yarka soo haray. Taas meel ku qoro.

Anyway, waxa maanta jiro waa laga baxaa.

I have said it and I'll say it again.  HSM will be/is the nail that finishes it off. By the time his term is up, there will be nothing left.  He has opened Pandora's box. 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Not so pessemestic  Somalia will out live culusow it’s just a little struggle I am sure he won’t be re elected it can only get better at this point . And mm is right if somalia falls apart this is only in the interest od xabashis and Kenyans . Somalida qabkoodu wu so noqon goor uso noqda ba if not in our life time in the life time of our childeren bi idmillah 

[galbeedi]

I don't think the confederate thing will happen, but something radical must done to the Mogadishu based HAG government. Why they don't call it " Maamulka Muqdisho iyo Gobolada HAG? This HSM guy  is running  a regional government not national government.

Ahmed Fiqi is in Cairo, Sanblooshe is in Addis and Hassan Socdaal was in Asmara. Where are the other Somalis. This isn't a national government. Neither Puntland nor anyone else have a say of how they managing the state. The HAG clan is running the military, foreign policy, intelligence, presidency and the few remaining posts are managed by their in law secessionists.

Dramatic moves are needed by Puntland and others to stop this fake national government. Hamza and company spend $12 million  dollars within 30 days to catch Ahmed Madoobe and bribe his militia. The Badhaadhe mayor is in Turkiye after he pocketed  few hundred thousand dollars with false promise of defeating Madoobe. Couple of enterprising Culusow clan crooks also  stole a half million dollars for airlines from Kenya. Since these planes were flying in conflict zone they charged high premium insurance.

How could you deploy soldiers in an island that doesn't have access? How are you going to supply them if attacked? Just like  in Mogadishu, they thought they could buy everyone. Yet the prime minister is still there.

PUntland must take dramatic actions if these man ignores the nation and goes from one frying pan to the other. Do we have to wait when stuffs' boxes with fake ballots and declares himself president. Ahmed Madoobe derailed his plan to rule south central Somalia and forget the rest of the country. Do you ever hear him mention Awdal or the Red Sea? 

Furthermore, Puntland might know something we don't. In his last sermon inside Ethiopian parliament the Revered Pastor Abiy said, " We have problems, but Ethiopia is united , we are not like others who are selling their own country". I don't know who he meant, but it is probably HSM.

The other day I asked a wise guy , what is the next move after these failures? He said " forget about HSM or his plans, the only open option is a new government?, when I said there is no time left he said, " Hamza can't go to Puntland or Jubbaland to manage the next election, he doesn't have any credibility left or capacity to bridge the gaps. " . 

So, in order to start some kind of reconciliation and prepare for the next Teendho selection in Halane, he need a new premier. 

What ever HSM touches goes down badly. 

And one more thing, despite the elections and the so called change,  the most conflict prone and unstable region in the country , where clan conflict rages is Galmudug and the sessionist enclave. For the last three years and even today most of the Somali deaths and casualties are within the region of the Goonigosatada. From Ceerigaabo, Buuhoodle, Dacaweley and beyond. The Habro are suicidal these days.

 

 

 

[maakhiri1]

Very interesting, Somali people need extreme radical change, reboot, reset

Moving capital, never trusting HAG Mafia with any power etc

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

6 hours ago, galbeedi said:

I don't think the confederate thing will happen, but something radical must done to the Mogadishu based HAG government. Why they don't call it " Maamulka Muqdisho iyo Gobolada HAG? This HSM guy  is running  a regional government not national government.

Ahmed Fiqi is in Cairo, Sanblooshe is in Addis and Hassan Socdaal was in Asmara. Where are the other Somalis. This isn't a national government. Neither Puntland nor anyone else have a say of how they managing the state. The HAG clan is running the military, foreign policy, intelligence, presidency and the few remaining posts are managed by their in law secessionists.

Dramatic moves are needed by Puntland and others to stop this fake national government. Hamza and company spend $12 million  dollars within 30 days to catch Ahmed Madoobe and bribe his militia. The Badhaadhe mayor is in Turkiye after he pocketed  few hundred thousand dollars with false promise of defeating Madoobe. Couple of enterprising Culusow clan crooks also  stole a half million dollars for airlines from Kenya. Since these planes were flying in conflict zone they charged high premium insurance.

How could you deploy soldiers in an island that doesn't have access? How are you going to supply them if attacked? Just like  in Mogadishu, they thought they could buy everyone. Yet the prime minister is still there.

PUntland must take dramatic actions if these man ignores the nation and goes from one frying pan to the other. Do we have to wait when stuffs' boxes with fake ballots and declares himself president. Ahmed Madoobe derailed his plan to rule south central Somalia and forget the rest of the country. Do you ever hear him mention Awdal or the Red Sea? 

Furthermore, Puntland might know something we don't. In his last sermon inside Ethiopian parliament the Revered Pastor Abiy said, " We have problems, but Ethiopia is united , we are not like others who are selling their own country". I don't know who he meant, but it is probably HSM.

The other day I asked a wise guy , what is the next move after these failures? He said " forget about HSM or his plans, the only open option is a new government?, when I said there is no time left he said, " Hamza can't go to Puntland or Jubbaland to manage the next election, he doesn't have any credibility left or capacity to bridge the gaps. " . 

So, in order to start some kind of reconciliation and prepare for the next Teendho selection in Halane, he need a new premier. 

What ever HSM touches goes down badly. 

And one more thing, despite the elections and the so called change,  the most conflict prone and unstable region in the country , where clan conflict rages is Galmudug and the sessionist enclave. For the last three years and even today most of the Somali deaths and casualties are within the region of the Goonigosatada. From Ceerigaabo, Buuhoodle, Dacaweley and beyond. The Habro are suicidal these days.

 

 

 

there hasnt been any conflict in ceerigaabo for over 2 weeks as  the terrorists have been defeated.  and dacawalay isnt in Somaliland but in Ethiopia 

so far Somaliland is secure and peaceful

 

[Dhagax-Tuur]

^ Mohamed Saeed Al Sahaaf comes to mind.  

'Baghdad is burning '. 'There's nothing to see everything is secure '. 

[Samafal]

Illyria don't lose your cool on this individual called MMA. For 20 years I have never seen him say anything positive about Puntland. His envy and hatred is another level. My theory is he grew up with an abusive step-mother from Puntland that mistreated him.

Strangely enough, he was supportive of Lafta Gareen's treason when he sided with Ethopia over Somalia government. There was no sovereignty, unity or nationalism then? No mention of seeing the bigger picture over HSM opposition then? But the minute the topic is about Puntland he starts wearing his nationalism shirt!!! Talk about hypocrisy.

[Illyria]

12 hours ago, galbeedi said:

I don't think the confederate thing will happen, but something radical must done to the Mogadishu based HAG government. Why they don't call it " Maamulka Muqdisho iyo Gobolada HAG? This HSM guy  is running  a regional government not national government.

Ahmed Fiqi is in Cairo, Sanblooshe is in Addis and Hassan Socdaal was in Asmara. Where are the other Somalis. This isn't a national government. Neither Puntland nor anyone else have a say of how they managing the state. The HAG clan is running the military, foreign policy, intelligence, presidency and the few remaining posts are managed by their in law secessionists.

Dramatic moves are needed by Puntland and others to stop this fake national government. Hamza and company spend $12 million  dollars within 30 days to catch Ahmed Madoobe and bribe his militia. The Badhaadhe mayor is in Turkiye after he pocketed  few hundred thousand dollars with false promise of defeating Madoobe. Couple of enterprising Culusow clan crooks also  stole a half million dollars for airlines from Kenya. Since these planes were flying in conflict zone they charged high premium insurance.

How could you deploy soldiers in an island that doesn't have access? How are you going to supply them if attacked? Just like  in Mogadishu, they thought they could buy everyone. Yet the prime minister is still there.

PUntland must take dramatic actions if these man ignores the nation and goes from one frying pan to the other. Do we have to wait when stuffs' boxes with fake ballots and declares himself president. Ahmed Madoobe derailed his plan to rule south central Somalia and forget the rest of the country. Do you ever hear him mention Awdal or the Red Sea? 

Furthermore, Puntland might know something we don't. In his last sermon inside Ethiopian parliament the Revered Pastor Abiy said, " We have problems, but Ethiopia is united , we are not like others who are selling their own country". I don't know who he meant, but it is probably HSM.

The other day I asked a wise guy , what is the next move after these failures? He said " forget about HSM or his plans, the only open option is a new government?, when I said there is no time left he said, " Hamza can't go to Puntland or Jubbaland to manage the next election, he doesn't have any credibility left or capacity to bridge the gaps. " . 

So, in order to start some kind of reconciliation and prepare for the next Teendho selection in Halane, he need a new premier. 

What ever HSM touches goes down badly. 

And one more thing, despite the elections and the so called change,  the most conflict prone and unstable region in the country , where clan conflict rages is Galmudug and the sessionist enclave. For the last three years and even today most of the Somali deaths and casualties are within the region of the Goonigosatada. From Ceerigaabo, Buuhoodle, Dacaweley and beyond. The Habro are suicidal these days.

Not only is Confederacy on the menu, but its foundation has been planted to manage political configuration in the next 20 years, and to direct the public discourse. Let us see if we'll be ready for Federalism in 20 years. Good reflections of the reality on the ground though. Be careful though, you might be branded unpatriotic for applying logic to the rudderless fleet Xasan & Co are running ashore. 

       You see, in the animal world, in the event of an advancing storm, there are those with heightened sense of ensuing danger, and those with none. Those that can detect dark clouds gathering force make rescue plans for all, and those with no sense of danger perish only to bleat "help" at the closing bell. The former is defamed for cautioning the unsuspecting cowering masses for the beckoning danger. We have been here before, are familiar with the bleats of the cravens, and get on with the obligation at hand. Dare I say the biggest benefactors will be none other than those raging puppeteers. Therein lies the difference, and as the old poet reflects:

•     "Guuguulihiiyow haddaad guga u ooyayso,
•     Oo aad moodday keligaa inuu gubayo jiilaalku,
•     Oo aad gamoorahakan maran gama’ la’aan diiday,
•     Ayna gocosho awgeed ilmadu kaaga gobo’laysay,
•     Guumays cirroobaan ahaye war an ku gaarsiiyo"
   

1 hour ago, Samafal said:

Illyria don't lose your cool on this individual called MMA. For 20 years I have never seen him say anything positive about Puntland. His envy and hatred is another level. My theory is he grew up with an abusive step-mother from Puntland that mistreated him.

Strangely enough, he was supportive of Lafta Gareen's treason when he sided with Ethopia over Somalia government. There was no sovereignty, unity or nationalism then? No mention of seeing the bigger picture over HSM opposition then? But the minute the topic is about Puntland he starts wearing his nationalism shirt!!! Talk about hypocrisy.

It was Tallaabo whose naivety and nacamlayn got my goat, and not MMA whom I treat as if that 40 year old left at home with the "maxays" when 12 year olds have gone to war with their fathers.

See, I grew up with the following verses at the back of my mind:

•     Wiil 12 jira hadduu lalli ahaan waayo,
•     Looyaanta dirireed hadduu laagga rogi waayo,
•     Liibaanta xoolaad hadduu luug ku dari waayo,
•     Marti leyl dhexaad timid hadduu luun ka rogi waayo,
•     Kol haddii labaatan u duggoo laba u dheeraato,
•     Raganimo luddiis kuma jirtee leexaye ogaada!

I am more interested in advancing discussion around this concept, and less concerned of dimwits who wish to derail a meaningful discourse to be had, as their contribution is nought.

 

 

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Isku camira sidii dhoocilaha la idinku yaqaanay. I will never change my mowqif of a strong Soomaali state under one jurisdiction that controls immigration, marine, borders, currency and foreign affairs. I will never be a hypocrite labawajiike dhaafay sidiina camal. Reer Waqooyiga goonigoosadkooda wax ka sheega and act and do exactly what they do. Banaanka iskeenaa, waxba ha gambinina. Be true wretched secessionists.

Sheeko kale ha noola imaanina otherswise.

[Illyria]

This reminds me of where Dhoodaan opined:
        " ... Maskax fiican ruuxaan lahayn wuu dardarayaaye,
              Adoo bari ka sugayuu galbeed kaaga soo degiye,
              Miyaan kuu dhameeyaa naxwaha mise bar baad dooni".

[Illyria]

With Confederacy:
a) Autonomy:
    - Member States (MSs) maintain a high degree of autonomy, and pursue their own policies ranging from  institutions building to politics to economy to security amongst others whereas the National Government (NG) is designated to i) pursue and coordinate common national interest, and ii) provide protection of shared services and interests.  

b) Decentralisation:
    - Power is highly decentralised with MSs retaining significant power, and by extension sovereignty where the Nat. Gov't has control over explicitly delegated matters to it by MSs. MSs could withdraw some of said powers, and can withdraw from the Confederation.

c) Supremacy of the law:
    - MSs are sovereign political entities ONLY affording the Nat. Gov't limited, distinct powers explicitly defined, and agreed upon. The Nat. Gov't lacks authority to compel compliance from MSs.

d) Flexibility:
    - MSs have the ability to negotiate, modify, and update relationship with the Nat. Gov't. Significant national amendments would require MSs' consent, and consultation.