Mogadishu: Heavy mortar exchanges start in capital

[Somali Pirate]

the factions oppose his government because they see him bending over to african troops rather than asking for somali legitamacy.

 

It's better to seek the good will and protection of somali people rather than ask for afrcan troops.

 

i bet you if he told amisom to get out tomorrow, the war will stop

[Meiji]

Duke,

 

Mortars dont change the fact that Mogadishu is the centre.

 

The centre were in the near future all foreign affaires of Somalia must be conducted from. The days of signing Oil deals with foreign entities in Garowe will come to an end IA.

[Shabelle]

Originally posted by Meiji:

The days of signing Oil deals with foreign entities in Garowe will come to an end IA. [/QB]

Ameen.

 

It is much better for us Somalis to unite and be governed under a central authority in Mogadishu. This central government must ensure the fair distribution of funds and resources throughout the country so that we avoid clan strife.

[General Duke]

^^^loool. The centre has to be strengthened adeer, as for this incident the mortar throwers proved their point. We hope for a central government in a federal framework, as you know the only people who fear it are those who occupy looted homes and farms. Thus insha Allah we want a central government that will return all the homes and lands and regions stolen from local people of Mogadishu, Marka, Barava and so on.

 

Dont worry about Puntland oil deal, the drilling phase is starting and no one can change that insha ALlah.

[Meiji]

Everything can be reversed, like the looted property given back to their rightfull owners, secessionism be reversed and the monopolizing of Somali natural resources be countered and shared amongst all Somali civilians .

 

And IA we will get a central government with some autonomy to provinces, but not the clan-federalism that you and others propagate for.

[Cige]

central government in mogadishu is good for everyone including Somaliland but bakarah market is in the hands of insurgentas and they can fire from there to wherever they want! where is the CENTRAL then?

[Shabelle]

Originally posted by General Duke:

We hope for a central government in a federal framework

A full-scale federal framework? That is not only too expensive to run but is also doomed to fail in a homogeneous country like Somalia. The entire concept of federalism is to accomodate various ethnic groups. As Somalia is a country where 85% of the population are ethnic Somalis, it is not applicable.

 

I would be more than willing to have a man from Garowe sitting as the chief executive (President) in Mogadishu... as long as I know he has a good heart and will not favour any particular region or people.

[Meiji]

Shabelle,

 

Duke and Co are propagating for a clan-based Federalism and that is not workable.

 

You can develop your ancestral regions, but that does not mean that you can dress up your clan and its land as a state that can compete with the central state of Somalia.

[General Duke]

^^^lool. Adeer the Federal formula is the only realistic way to get Puntland & Somaliland on board.

 

Meiji's confusion and anger at Puntland is just really funny.

 

They cant secure an airport and a market and yet they can stop the oil deal 800 miles away.

 

What power lad.

[Somali Pirate]

we need a strong central government. but some degree of autonomy for other provinces when running day to day stuff.

 

england, scotland and wales follow this.

[Meiji]

Clan-Federalism is a short-lived disease like warlordism, secessionism and extremism.

 

Insha allah, one by one they will dissapear and Somalia will be a strong centralized state, with autonomy to provinces to sort out provincial matters.

[Somali Pirate]

Originally posted by General Duke:

^^^lool. Adeer the Federal formula is the only realistic way to get Puntland & Somaliland on board.

 

Meiji's confusion and anger at Puntland is just really funny.

 

They cant secure an airport and a market and yet they can stop the oil deal 800 miles away.

 

What power lad.

duke,

 

that thinking is wrong brother. the oil belongs to all somalis. not just puntlanders. this type of thinking is just another clan based mentality.

 

the oil should go to the central government which will distribute the money to all somalis. that's how it is supposed to work

[Meiji]

What is beneath Somali soil belongs to Somalis. The sea, the land, the air is ´´Somali space´´. When other foreign powers invade this Somali Territory they do not say ´´we crossed into Puntland territorial sea, or air´´.

 

Hence the same for what lies beneath the surface.

 

Those who push for a Clan-Federalism want to monopolize Qeyraadka Dulka iyo Badda Soomaaliyeed which should be shared by Ummadda Soomaaliyeed.

 

Anyways, let them laugh now....its all about the last laugh at the end of the day.

[Che -Guevara]

^What's difference between clan federalism and autonomy for provinces?

[Meiji]

Che,

 

Autonomy means that the provinces get wide responsibilities to take care of provincial matters. The central state should leave such matters to the provincial administration and should intervene only when things go out of hand. For example, the maintainenace of public safety, hygiene, education, the stimulation of the provincial economy and employment, spatial planning, and supervision of the municipal affaires and administration.

 

In collaboration with other provinces or the central state the provincial administration can participate in tackling national problems that also manifest in their own province.

 

Clan-federalism is creating a state for clans. The form this entity will get is also not the same, while one can get a large form (Somaliland), the other gets a smaller form in clan structure like Puntland, and some even go much smaller in clan structure like Maakhir or Galmudug.

 

Another thing is, some Clan-state´s take on roles that should be done by a central state.