Abdiqasin Salad Xasan war criminal no 1

[General Duke]

^^^Adeer you have no point, lets leave it at that.

But one can say what ever they want about their President it comes with the job.

[Emperor]

Nepthy nothing my dear, nothing at all, in fact its you that brough him up and mentioned his name, I only asked whats with the Obsession withe 'senile'

[Nephissa]

Empr: Let me rephrase my earlier q. can a tarakul salat[sp?] lead a muslim nation?

 

Odayga macno saas ah ma sii laha. No need to dedicate my life to him sidaadoo kale io kan kaa koreeya.

[General Duke]

^^^lool. The funniest thing is you comment on the behaviour and beliefs of someone you never met. Attack his policies, but how do you know if he prays or not?

 

Well those who use the religion as a political tool can do and say anything.

[MZanzi]

Originally posted by General Duke:

^^^lool. The funniest thing is you comment on the behaviour and beliefs of someone you never met. Attack his policies, but how do you know if he prays or not?

 

Well those who use the religion as a political tool can do and say anything.

A yusuf waji salaad lagu tukaday kama muuqdo ..

[Abtigiis]

Abdullahi Yusuf is a traitor too. Add that to be not religious. Plus, Duke even imitates that old man's way of talk. Adeer business. The ostantations so vile, the macno dari so evident.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Originally posted by Thierry.:

Adeer MMA if I replaced the word president that would mean I would have to call yey a president too, otherwise I will fall in Duke Category praising only those in my bandwagon and condemn those who are against my views.

 

Let us not forget A Qaasin was a very corrupt leader in his past. His crimes might not be as bad as treachery which the current stooge is stained by, but no way is Abdi Qaasin a saint in Somali affairs.

 

MMA you are even more naïve than an adamant ICU supporter like me if you believe A Qaasin is not associated with warlords and didn’t explicitly condone the isbaaro days in Xamar

It seems that you were – and are – easily influenced by crap posted on here, particularly in this thread. You allege Md. C/qaasin "might" have been a warlord, on what evidence do you have to corroborate what you are alleging? And do you realize or have you realized the classical definition of what a warlord is?

 

Your answer of if the other madaxweyne ku sheeg 'president' – in this case, the Xabashi lackey – can be considered to be a warlord, then C/qaasin must be another. That is not an intelligent answer, duqa.

 

Before, however, you answer my two questions, I think you seem a person who has no idea who C/qaasin was; actually, no, you’ve no idea who he is right now as well.

 

If this name is new to you, C/qaasin Salaad Xasan was a minister who held different portfolios in the last regime. From 1991 to 2000, he and his family did live in Masar, did not participate any clan wars, which he could easily if he wanted to. He resurfaced in the Carta [Jabuuti] conference in 2000 and was selected to be the transitional leader of then Transitional National Government.

 

C/qaasin was and is not a warlord because he never behaved a day what your typical calooshiis u shaqeysto does in his hunguri doon day. C/qaasin never did command any clan militia. C/qaasin never did defend his so-called clan lands. C/qaasin never did initiate any clan wars. C/qaasin did not come being into presidency by using the barrel of the gun. C/qaasin, if he was desperate for that power, he could have been another Caydiid Sr., another Cismaan Caato, another Cabdi Qeybdiid, another Max’ed Dheere, another Max’ed Qanyare Afrax, another Muuse Suudi and those were only the Muqdisho-based warlords. If he was that determined again to seek for power, he wouldn’t have stepped down when the current Xabashi-installed so-called 'president' was selected in Nayroobi. And if he was a warlord, he would have sabotaged the dowlad ku sheegaan from the start.

 

No, C/qaasin did not behave in any way like those animalistic warlords’ actions. People accuse him his nascent TNG government did not achieve much. What would he achieved exactly, when he had to overcome numerous barriers and obstacles. He tried to win over the Muqdisho-based warlords without firing a single shot. In fact, he did win and brought over within his dowlad several of them, including Max’ed Qanyare Afrax and Max’ed Dheere. But when you have Xabashi regime, trying every possible trick under their disposal to sabotage that infant transitional government, then C/qaasin did achieve much more than generally acknowledged to.

 

To begin with, he didn’t let the Muqdisho residents suffer more than they already were by not engaging into warfare with Muqdisho-based warlords, who were as eager to start another clan war as their Xabashi-supplied weaponry. Instead, he did not play into their game. This alone is a mighty achievement considering how trigger-happy the warlords were.

 

C/qaasin also raised into international spotlight how Xabashi faragalis ugu heysto dalkeena. He used to piss them off by raising this issue at international gatherings by how flagrantly Xabashis meddled into Soomaali affairs. Why did he do this? Because of his unquestioned fierce patriotism and loyalty to our country. Remember, he could have been just another Xabashi lackey and did whatever they told him, just as the current stooge is doing.

 

No politician is a perfect individual. No politician is blameless. However, C/qaasin did his best considering how numerous problems he had to overcome.

 

C/qaasin is far from a warlord, far being even associated with a warlord. Marka before you are that easily and naively swayed by unsubstantiated crap posted on here, know what you are talking about.

 

N.B. -The intend of this thread waxa loo furay by its initiator in uu ka raadiyo dood aan meel yaalin, dadkana lagu jahwareeriyo. We don't need to dwell C/qaasin wuxuu yahay or ahaa because wax aanan la arkin, la maqlin ayaa dalkeena ka socdo now.

[Thierry.]

Adeer first of all you are the moderator do not be offensive.

 

Second of all before you go on an emotional rant this is the 21st Century If I need to read about someone biography I can Wiki his name . however this time it just so happens I know who Mr Salaad Xassan is.

 

Amnesty International report (through my favourite site wikipedia).

Service in the Barré government

Abdiqasen held several sensitive positions in the Barré government, most notably as his last Interior Minister, responsible for all internal security agencies such as the National Security Service (NSS), the Investigative Department of the Somali Revolutionary Socialist Party, and the police), and Deputy Prime Minister at same time. During his tenure, he presided over several controversial actions, including the severe crackdowns and aerial bombings in Hargeysa and Berbera, during which large numbers of civilians disappeared and are known to have disappeared (and believed to have been tortured and killed.)[2] After Barré's ouster in 1991 he fled to Cairo.

Read the above quote carefully adeer before you say the man only played a positive role in Somali Affairs

 

I will take back the warlord comment for I have not seen any evidence of this. However what did the folks in Xamar think of his collaboration or as you put it bringing Qanyare and co into the fold of his government.

 

 

However you say “He never behaved a day what your typical calooshiis u shaqeysto” is a naked lie.

 

Tell me where all the money that the Arab league donated to him disappeared to? Could it be fair to say that while the poor folks of Somalia suffered the man built himself mansions which are paraded every other day on Universal TV.

 

 

Again A.Qasiim is a lot better in Yey when comes to decency, for one I know that the man was very religious and even used to lead the jamaaca, however to paint a rosy picture is a grave injustice to all those who have suffered his actions least of all the poor people of NorthWest.

 

 

PS: I propose Xiin to be made the moderator or co-moderator of the politics section

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

I will take back the warlord comment for I have not seen any evidence of this.

Intaas lagaa rabay. Waxaadan ogeyn ha iska dhihin.

 

And about his ministerial positions in the last regime, qof walbaa ogaa taas, no need for Wikipedia. Your little warlord comment ayaa aniga kasoo horjeeday. That was all.

 

Nabadeey.

[Peace Action]

Three things that make A/Qasim a warlord.

 

1) He is the only person who served Siad Barre's dictatorship for 21 years non-stop as a minister in different capacities until the end.

 

2) He empowered Sh. Indhacade to take over Marka etc. and helped JVA with Kismayo because of his sub-clan

 

3) He stole at least 65 million given by Saudi Arabia. All the aid he got went into his pocket and what is he doing with all that money?

[General Duke]

^^^This is getting interesting.

 

Abdiqasin was a minister when the children were butcered in Jazeera beach. There was no armed struggle in the capital those days.

 

Abdiqasin was a minister when the Shiekhs were rounded up and executed.

 

And he was the superior commander and leader of.

IndaCade, Goobanle, Seeraar, cirfo.

All warlords who ruled, Marka, Kismayu & Afgooye.

 

Thus if any of these are untrue, please clarify.

He is no warlord but was the boss of warlords notably Indacade?? :eek:

[Juje]

Originally posted by General Duke:

^^^This is getting interesting.

 

Abdiqasin was a minister when the children were butcered in Jazeera beach. There was no armed struggle in the capital those days.

 

Abdiqasin was a minister when the Shiekhs were rounded up and executed.

 

And he was the superior commander and leader of.

IndaCade, Goobanle, Seeraar, cirfo.

All warlords who ruled, Marka, Kismayu & Afgooye.

 

Thus if any of these are untrue, please clarify.

He is no warlord but was the boss of warlords notably Indacade?? :eek:

Alla maxaa la is yelyela oo bus la isku qarina.

A/qasim was not a president when innocent children were butchered and bombarded by Ethiopian shells in Mogadishu.

He was not a president and condoned the brutal murder of Tabliiq Sheikhs in a Mosque in Mogadishu.

He was not a president when the likes of Darwish, Tajir, Gacmadhere et al were committing unprecedented human atrocities and right abuses in Mogadishu in colaboration with the Tigre invaders.An incidented reported by World Media.

The list goes on - any form of regime be it military or even warlordism was a haven in comparisson to the present dispicable condition. Please dont insult the human intelligence and compare Yeey's inhumane regime to any other.

The ugly saga of your adeero will be forever mentioned in Somali history and will forever remain mark on him and his supporters.

Daba-dhilif and cado-qate has never had an accurate meaning before this time.

[General Duke]

^^^Adeer dont hide behind a smokescreen.

Also your defence of the man is feeble.

He was President when IndaCade, Goobanle & Seeraar occupied from Afgoyee to Kismayu, yes or no?

He was Presdient when they waged 100 mini wars took place and in his name, some were waged.

 

This man commited crimes in Siyad's era.

Commited crimes in his TNG era

and commits crimes now sending children to their deaths.

[Sabriye amp co.]

Dr CadiQasim Salaad Xassan Former President of SOmalia and Only the Second President to Ever Step down Peacefully and Democratically after Aden Cadde.

[General Duke]

^^^He lost an election and then swore to support the government and then sent the children to fight the very same government. He is no Adan Cade.