The strategic blunder of the hotel lobby president

[Coloow]

Xiin,

 

What? Etu xiin? I never knew you will join the chorus of those tribalists who view criticism as tribally laden?

 

Could you again read what I wrote above and tell me where you find the "wrong clan" approach?

 

War ma sidaan ku mooday mise sidaad noqotay?

 

I was either totally wrong about you or you wore a disguise;

 

In either case I am disappointed big time by your comments sxb!

[xiinfaniin]

Waranle wrote:

The son of Abdirashid Ali sharmarke (he is a somali and as such deserves to be named prime minister) but his appointment will not result in the TFG marching into Baydhabo, Xudur, Bardheere, Buulo Xaawo, Kismayo, Buaale and Marka.

 

In fact, the resistance to the government is likely to increase in the above areas; and before you know it, this bad copy of the TFG will only command the southern side of Mahadaay village.

 

The Hotel president should have been shrewed and appointed someone who commands political capital in say Baydhabo or Kismayo. Now this may not have solved the problem but it would surely show that there is a desire for change.

 

Short of naming a Alshabaab commander for the pm post, tell us whom you would’ve liked the “Hotel President” name, the one you said would command 'political capital in those cities’?

 

Yaad u duurxulaysaa awoowe?

[xiinfaniin]

Disguise N waxaan ku mooday waa nonsense, I must add.

[Coloow]

Xiin,

 

There are thousands related (at least in the somali tribalism discourse) to "Dr Cumar" in Kismayo and the rest of the south- don't you know this adeer????????

 

and my point was this adeer; how are you going to convince the southern part of somalia when the president and the prime minister are not from Gedo, Jubbooyinka, shabeelloyinka, bay and bakool? Isn't it these regions that you want to bring into the mould of the government? isn't it here that the government needs dire support?

 

This has nothing to do with tribalism unless you are joining the !qabil spotting gang on sol.

 

Kismayo is run by someone from Somaliland

 

Marka is run by someone from Puntland

 

at least ku abtirsado.

[xiinfaniin]

Waranle, I am sorry brother but you are not making sense here. Before I pen waxa iga guuxayya answer me this simple question:

 

1) are you suggesting Sharif should have named some one from those regions clan wise, or someone from those regions in terms of alshabaab admin whose jurisdiction those regions fall?

 

PS waqti badan yuu kaaga lumin qabiil spoting gangs aad ku celcelinayso. I can assure those warnings wont deter me to call a spade a spade awoowe.

[Coloow]

Xiin,

It is appropiate that we refrain from "titles" e.g. al-shabaab bestowed upon ppl when discussing somali issues.

 

Now back to your question; I am not talking about clanwise ( I hate clanism with passion). Do you mean to tell me that there no good somalis in the south regardless of their clan?

 

As a person who introduced the best thread on SOL (2008) on peace momentum, you should know more than anyone that "peace" should be the keyword- and peace will not be achieved through the appointment of the son of Abdirashid ali sharmarke.

[RedSea]

I have observed that leader of the new repackaged TFG seems to be shaky and not assertive at all. He has not spoken publicly quick enough when the Amison murdered couple dozens of people in xamar. It almost seems he's afraid to say what believes. He seems masmerize by this whole thing. When you elevate from being madrasa teacher to 'recognised leader of a state' you forget who you are. Exactly what has happened to sh. al beerko.

[Xoogsade]

Originally posted by Allamagan:

lool @ Xoogsade!! annagu tan (Sharif TFG) na ersan mayso Allaha u fududeeyo ... you just wait and see bacdal honey moon. secondly, it doesnt matter who the PM is, but what really matters is how all this came about and all that appeasement nature to it. I am not that optimistic whether it will bear any fruits at all (may Allah forbid).

Hadda waa billow howlaha bro, we should be optimistic. Aniga shaqsi ahaan, the process and what transpired within the TFG is not a big concern. My concern is how they get along with others and bring Unity. I take the opposition groups to be sincere and their demands to be reasonable. They are not pursuing clan or personal agenda, so it is easy for Sheekh Shariif to evaluate and meet all reasonable demands they make at the table, return their sincerity with non-controversial policies. This debate about who Sheekh Shariif should have chosen as a PM misses the bigger points that are more important. TFGDa waa isku hal Organization, it doesn't matter who holds what position within itself, what matters is how they govern and get along with others who have legimite differences with them. If the TFG acts as if it has a mandate and can act as it pleases, expect problems. So far Sheekh Shariif said good things and he has yet to implement any major policies. It is too early to make a decision about his government or form a negative opinion. I am more pessimistic about the new troop deployments the US is pushing forward. That will definitely be a hurdle in teh way of negotiations. It will give the impression that Sheekh Shariif needs protection from Somalis like his predecessor. It is better for him to show trust in somalis and work with them. Someone should inform him as well how the money spent on foreign troops can be used to employ and build a good somali military. This is his first test for me. I wait and see. Xiin fariintaas ha iga gaarsiiyo Jaalle Shariif

[RedSea]

^About your last sentence, we shall see if he is bold enough to actually realize that he has nothing to be safe guarded from since he is in his hometown. We'll see if he goes to requesting for more outside intervention(something he should know better than anyone else). Time is best teacher.

[The Zack]

Waranle,

 

I don't want this to be personal but I really wanna ask you a question. Are you one of the "waligood mucaarad"? Do you own a business in the Bakara Market. Don't you think we should look at the big picture even once? Don't you think we should think out of the box this time? Isn't the peace you seem to be mentioning on all of your threads more important than who has what post? There is a Somali saying that says "Sidaad rabto haddaad weydo sidaad awooddo baa la yeelaa" or something to that line. The point is Sharif is a newly elected president, he has been President for couple of weeks now, let us give him the best support we can for now. Let us see where he goes with this. The freedom fighters of Somalia were fighting for 2 things like you mentioned. Kicking the Xabashis out of our land and ruling the country with law of Allah. The xabashis are now out, so will the AMISOM troops. The Sharif clearly stated that he is ready to implement the sharia law. Marka soo duceee oo bal yara daawo inaar intaad mucaaradnimada iyo niyad jabka joojiso. Aggah! I know you have a good heart. Dowladdan looma dhama miyaan saarneynaa waligeen. Aduunkii tag ee aan raacno. Wax kasto hal maalin lama qaban karo. Canjeero Somali sey ukala koreysaa loo kala qaadaa ama hal hal.

[Xidigo]

Meesha ay reer Gedo Xanaaqeen ee ay yiraahdeen xaqayagii lanooma goyn, halkay reer Awdal joogaan ayaad u malyn? Walee hadii gobol walba yiraa anaga lanooma dooraan madax wayne ama ku xigeen sidaa daradeed waan ka soo horjeednaa nabada, waa kedeed. Sidaa ayaa lagu jiri boqol ka sanoo danbe.

 

Alshabaab waxay ahaan lahaayeenba diin aanay waxba ka aqoon ayay ku daba gabanayaan. I heard some of them can't even read the quraan.

 

Isku daroo waa ayaan daro dumar iyo caruur Somaaliyeed haysato.

[Kashafa]

Alshabaab waxay ahaan lahaayeenba diin aanay waxba ka aqoon ayay ku daba gabanayaan. I heard some of them can't even read the quraan

Huuno, I must need assure you that you have been misinformed. They are the noble Knights of Somali-dom. The stoutest steeds ever to gallop across Waqooyi,Bari, Koonfur, and Galbeed. Ruhbaanun bil'layl, Fursaanun bi'nahaar, laa yahkhafuuna fillahi lowmata laa'im. During the night-time, they are like Monks, their camps filled with melodic recitation of the Holy Qu'raan, voices that would melt your cold heart with kushooc and bring unrestrained tears to your eyes. And during the day, conquering warriors who do not know the meaning of fear, or dhulinimo, They do not fear in Allah's cause the cowardly chattering of low-bred, low-born maggots, or the gossip of welfare-fraud specialists.

 

But I am sure, dearest huuno Xidigo, that you do not take welfare.(or cheat the system for that matter, like so many of ur peacenik kin do). And I am sure you do not listen to waxaa-la-yiri gossip. That is why I said you have been misinformed. Perhaps from now on you shall be prudent and think twice before you open your mouth.

[LayZie G.]

^lol@kasha, I must be the only one who missed your mood swings.

 

Kashow, illaahow hanaga kaa qaadin, aaamin.

[Kashafa]

Originally posted by Xoogsade:

Kashafa

 

Saxib, The objectives of the Resistance for the past two years went this way:

 

A- Eviction of Ethiopia --> The primary Goal

B- Islamic Sharia Laws --> Secondary Goal

 

The first was achieved and the human cost was great. Massive displacement to the tune of million plus and thousands of deaths with high civilian casualities. The vicitims of this war saw it as worth the sacrifice. The second objective is also achieved in all areas ruled by the opposition groups. Question is, how do you move forward now? 1- You can continue the war without the presence of Xabashi incendiary needed to fuel the passions and ultimately lose support, B- Adopt to the new realities on the ground and Negotiate, let Sheekh Shariif walk the talk. The guns should be silent for now saxib. Sheekh Shariif should be the one who introduces the conflicts so he takes the blame. That way, you get support from somalis who value justice over personalities. Shariif says he will talk and negotiate, it doesn't matter what people allege him to be, stooge or whatever, what matters is what he wants to do in the practical sense. He should be given the chance to make some decisions first.

I hear you, bro. And I laud your sincere attempt to find reason and sanity, in the shape of Shaykh Hotel's TFG, where none exist. Unfortunately, your writing(and thinking) suffers from numerous gaping holes.

 

What do you mean by the ambigous phrase 'new realities on the ground' ? Ethiopia left, Somalia is free, let the lovemaking ensue ? Abti, If Ethiopia left, Amisom, who have Somali blood on their hands still remain, killing with impunity. Their mere presence is an obscene mark etched forever in Somali conciousness. You consider urself a proud nationalist, a so-called wadani, by what stretch of logic do you affirm AMISIOM and condemn Ethiopia ? Praise AMISOM and attack Ethiopia ? Call for more peacekeepers while still saying Ethiopia Out ? What you fail to grasp is the fact that Somali Sovierngty is being vioalted everyday by the mere existence of that b.a.s.t.a.r.d institution comprised of Ethiopian harlots like your uncle Qaybdiid.(Speaking of, he is now commander of the TFG police and army, I remember you were a fierce critic of his way back when, do u support Uncle Qaybdiid now ? juss wondering)

 

I just pointed out the realities on the ground in my first post. Let me reiterate: In the eyes of the Somali people, in terms of military strength, in land and cities controlled and governed, in actual tangibles delivered and law-and-order implemented, the Somali Resistance IS the Official Somali Government. And conversely, Shaykh Sharif's TFG IS the cat paw of the foriegn interests that have backed, armed, and funded the warlords that have destroyed Somalia. They control little to nothing, the only card they can play is "We are supported by the Antarnashanal Kamoonity" Same ppl that have happily destroyed Somalia.

 

Now, if ur telling me that you agree with this assessment, but you STILL support the TFG........ that puts us in a whole new ballpark. One that is so ironic that it ain't even funny. Because you, bro, have now morphed into the same people you purported to fight for the past 2 years: The D.ha.b.o.d.h.i.l.i.fs. who rode into Mogadisho on Ethiopian tanks(as opposed to Ugandan tanks in ur case). You may not notice, gone as far as you are in ur peacenik delusions, but YOU ARE USING THE EXACT SAME ARGUEMENTS THEY WERE USING FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS . To wit: We know this is an imperfect government, but an imperfect government is better than no government. We will hold election in 2009, let the opposition field their candidates without resorting to terrorism and violence. The Somali people are tired of war, death, and fighting. They want peace. Let us give it to them. Let us join hands under Mudane Abdullahi Yusuf who will win the 2009 elections but will surely give up the seat in 2014. The Ethiopians are harmless, they will stay in their camps untill the goverment builds a strong security apparatus that can fight the 'undesirables' on it's own. Untill then, they will stay. Irony Much ? Hypocrisy Much ? Double-Standards Much ? Answer the question, homey, waxba cir-ka ha fiir-fiirinin. Why attack Abdullahi Yusuf but support Nur Cade and Shaykh Hotel ? Have they not sworn on the same mulxid/ilxaad constitution ? Are they not equally beholden to Ethiopia and the foriegn interests ? Did not Nur Cade host a going-away party for the departing Xabashi hordes and thank them for killing over 15,000 innocent somalis ? What the flying frack has changed from yesterday to today ? Oh, lemme guess, the Saviour has arrived. You gotta be kidding me. Nobody, NOBODY, is that idiotic.

 

The only possible logical reaason for you to call for war yesterday and peace today is the because your entire fighting was about clan pride, clan hubris, and "Reer Hebel mana xukumayo". And that is downright disgusting. But understandable. You are an old-school Somali, as opposed to uninfected new generation, my generation, that is waging the war of liberation and don't give a shit about your clan calculations and clan schemings. Reminds me of Nigga Janaqow, former Shaykh of the ICU, and current Fatwa-for-$ale merchant with the TFG. You know what he said ? Nigga was like:"The anti-peace elements and anarchists that are fighting in Mogadisho are foreigners(his words) who left their provinces in peace and want to kill and maim here in Xamar". Bal ka waran caqligaas. Appealing to the darkest and dirtiest impulses in the human spirit in order to score political points. Appealing to tribalism, to qurun-ka qabyaalada so that he can curry favour with Shaykh Hotel, Ethiopia, and the Antarnashanal Kamoonity.

 

But on the real, forget about individuals, I'm just using them as examples to drive the narrative, let's not get sidetracked. Focus on the main issue here: Your failure to provide a cogent, credible arguement on why the TFG should not be eradicated and why the AMISOM forces should not be attacked. Everything you have said so far is the exact same wording and arguements of the d.h.a.b.o.d.h.i.fs when they were trying to justify the Ethiopian troops prescense and the legitamicay of the TFG. If you believed the TFG to be illegitimate yesterday, then you are honour-bound and integrity-bound to consider illegitamate today. Individuals do not change institutions. Just because their was a reshuffling of cabinet positions to men who are ALL beholden and endebted to Ethiopia and the Antarnashanal Kamoonity, changes jack-shit on the real-politik scene. Case-in-point: Your Saviour(Hotel) recently declare the current laws and constitution in no need of any change and that Islamic Sharia was not needed, in a interview with the BBC. He went to Addis Ababba and in unabashed mockery of all the dead and dying, mowed down by Ethiopian fire, pledged eternal friendship and support to Ethiopia, our beloved neighbors, friends, and allies. Of course, in your peacnik simpleton mind, that is 'the height of diplomacy' and 'cunning diplomatic maneuvering' and "Sulux of Huddaybiyah". Sad. Pathetic. But true. Again, don't get sidetracked just making a point: Individuals are easily bought, sold, and PIMPED.

 

You're in a tough spot, bro. I hope you can reason your way out it. Looking forward to a constructive discussion.

[LayZie G.]

If Ethiopia left, Amisom, who have Somali blood on their hands still remain, killing with impunity.

Who doesn't have blood on their hands ya kasha?

 

Mar danbana waxa orondoontaa your phony awliyo don't have the blood of thousands of innocent somalis on their hands.

 

Blood aside, what else are you bringing to the table?

 

Do your boys educate the public?

 

Do they inform the public of the objectives of the AMISOM?

 

What are your boys offering as an alternative?

 

We are talking over a million people displaced and need to be treated and fed, how will your boys accomplish that? I don't mean for them ordering pple's hands to be cut off as a solution to treating the sick and feeding the hungry.

 

All I hear is the calling of AMISOM troops to pull out and threats of more violence, why is that kasha?

 

You and the rest of the followers ought to come up with a plan and offer it to the public before you start making demands.

 

You have leverage now and that is controlling several towns in the south but history is not on your side, therefore as to how long that will last, there is no telling. Lastly, I ask that you speak to the people in this forum with respect, don't bring adeer, eedo or abti into the discussion. If you have anything more to add other than tuulooyin aan haysanaa mana dhiibeyno warmaaha, ee waa weak argument waxa aad meesha ku hayso.(don't get comfortable eedo, the situation on the grown can change instantly)

 

Regardless of the outcome, your boys are not that far from being air raided abuu ceyrow style and if thats what is going to take to put you out, trust me, sheikh will not hesitate for a second if it means protecting shacabka mogadisho.(He is not there yet but he will probably have to go there at some point)