Mixing Somali politics with religion: Confusion

[Meiji]

Gudiga culumaa’udiinka heshiisiinta xoogaga Muqaawamada ayaa waajib diini ah ku tilmaamay in la taageero dowlada uu hogaaminayo sheikh Shariif sheikh Axmed.

 

Kadib bayaan ay soo saareen gudiga culumaa’udiinka Musaalixada ayaa waxaa ay ku sheegeen in ay munasib tahay in la taageero madaxweyne sheikh shariif isla markaana dadka ka soo hor jeeda ay yihiin dad qaldan.

 

Sheikh Axmed Cali Dhicisoow oo ah gudoomiyaha gudiga musaalixada Muqaawamada ayaa waxaa uu sheegay in ay waajib diini ah tahay in la taageero madaxweyne sheikh Shiriif sheikh Axmed.

 

Mar wax laga weeydiiyay sheikh Axmed Cali Dhicisoow qodobka 4.5 ayaa waxaa uu sheegay in aysan jirin aayad ama Xadiis ka soo hor jeeda qodobkaasi cidii dood ka qabtana laga shaafin doono sida uu sheegay,waxana uu tilmaamay in nidaam waliba oo ka hor imaanaya diinta islaamka uu mudan yahay in laga soo hor jeesto hadii uusan ka hor imaaneeyna in laga hor yimaado aysan habooneeyn .

 

Waxaa uu ugu danbeeyntii ka digay dagaalada ka socda dalka Soomaaliya gaar ahaan gobolada dhexe,waxana uu ku tilmaamay dagaaladaasi in ay yihiin kuwo qaladan cidii ku dhimatana aysan aheyn Shahiid

[Meiji]

A while ago we had another Sheeikh who was saying Sh.Shariif should be opposed because he has chosen another law instead of Islamic Law

 

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Muxadaradii salaada Jimca ee masaajidka 6ka ee Nairobi, ayuu sheekhu ka hadley Thabaat (ama sugnaansho), iyo in aan laga tanaasulin mabaad'ida diinta islaamka.

 

Wuxu si cad u sheegay in qolada Djbouti eey ka tanaasuleen shareecada islaamka, eeyna qaateen waxa loogu yeero qanuunka axdi qarameedka

[Meiji]

Now we have different wadaado who are all respected as knowing much of the religion, and all these wadaado have disagreements whether to support the current presidency of Sh.Shariif or not.

 

 

What does this prove?

 

Mixing Somali politics with Religion = confusion and eventually will harm the purity of our religion.

[Resistance]

So are u advocating that religion should not be mixed with Politics. if so which group of people would you you want to be in charge of our affairs the Politcians or the Relegious ones.

[Fabregas]

Bro, Sheikh Umal is a well known scholar, and he wasn't being political. The job of the ulema is to clarify badil from xaq and xaq from badil, at least to the best of their human ability. Those men said that 4.5 was haram, unislamic, tfg were criminals who brought foreigners to the cuntry, aminsom were invaders; however, today they made it all halal without any daleel or evidence. How can something which was haram yesterday become become halal? Does the haram fluctuate according to our political desires?The point of the sheikh is that we can compromise on certain aspects for the greater good such as the Prophet did in Hudaybiyah, but we can't compromise on the central aspects of our deen( tawheed, sharica, etc).

 

 

As for the sheikh in the article who said there are no hadiths or ayats against 4.5, what about the when the prophet said:

 

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

[Blessed]

Goood on them. I don't understand where the khawarij type mentality of those who oppose him comes from. Would they rather have him oppose the deen like the former military regime? Would they rather have a secular, warlord drunk as president?

 

Granted, this government doesn't claim to be a khilafah of any sort.

[Fabregas]

^^sis, we are not talking abou Sheikh Umal, not some young shabab declaring takfir.

[Meiji]

Abu,

 

I am not as knowledgable in the religion as the two Wadado who have a serious disagreement, while both claim to be using the religion as a base for their arguments.

 

Who should we believe?

 

Hence, why I said do not politicize the religion.

 

Do not mix Somali poltics with our religion, because we will have many wadaado on many sides all engaged in serious disputes. Ofcourse clan aspect will creep in sooner or later.

[Fabregas]

I agree with you: our deen should not be over politicized and used for dirty Somali politics. However, the situation in Somalia and the current global situation of the Muslim world means that it inevitably will, just as it become politicized between Sayid Muhamad and the other Religous factions during the colonial struggle.

[Blessed]

I don't quiet understand your comment. I'm just saying those scholars or Islamic groups who oppose him (never heard of Umal btw), were quiet in their condemnation previously.

 

Sh.Sharif did not claim to be the amir of Muslims, he did not claim to have established a khilafah- yes the institution is haraam and so is every political establishment in the Muslim world and scholars still maintain that you are not to oppose the leaders.

 

They can support him, mediate between him and al-shabaab and the other Islamic groups and create a climate in which an Islamic state can be established. Instead, they call for opposition which will only lead to war and bloodshed. Greater good?

 

You mentioned Hudaybia, the Prophet (SAW) agreed to postpone hajj for one year, He also agreed to omit writing 'Rasul Allah'.

[Fabregas]

^^Sheikh Umal(type his name on youtube) is considered to be one of the most notable Somali scholars. Secondly, he did not directly oppose him nor call for rebellion against him, which would probably be futile and bring more fitna as you say. His argument(http://www.halgan.net/Mp3/KhudbadiiShMaxa medCabdiUmal.rm) was against the general approach of compromising on the sharica and joining the ranks of the warlords. Allah knows best.

[Blessed]

^True, Allah knows best. Thanks for the link, will listen to it.

[Fabregas]

^^Oh yeah , and what i meant by comment was that there is a difference between these two statements:

 

1. 4.5 and secular formula is wrong, but we will use it for the greater good of the Ummmah, due to her weakness at this period time.

 

and this.

 

2. There is no ayat or ahadith going against 4.5 OR other secular/clan formula( there is nothing wrong with it).

 

The first one can be reasoned with, but the second is( at least to me) just institutionalising what is not legislated in the deen.