Who is Responsible For The Tanished Name of Somalis?

[MAXIMUS POWERS]

Since the mid noughties, media coverage of Somalis both of those in the Somali peninsula and Somalis in the diaspora has greatly increased, albeit adversely negative. Most of this coverage in most circumstance stems largely from certain types of Somalis. These people have reduced what was once a great nation to rubble's and only understand lawlessness, extremism and criminality.

 

Some of the issues that Somalis have become known for:

 

International Terrorism

piracy

Human trafficking

Warlordism

Starvation

Lawlessness

Tribal warfare

Barbarism and Extremist ideology

 

I don't ever recall Somalilanders ever being responsible for any of this. In fact we have been victim of terrorism and have been inflicted by many of these externalities that seems to originate from Southern and Eastern Somalis. While these people having been busy destroying their country, Somalilanders have done nothing but go from strength to strength contributing to somali culture, literature and living in peace and prosperity. When you look back at history, there are only certain type of Somalis who have reduced the notion of 'Somaliness' to nothing and have tarnished the reputation of Somalis collectively. I dont blame people like PeaceNow and other self-haters for hating Somalis.

[Kornaylka]

Spot on. But If you already know who is responsible for this mess, why ask us. As you indcated its afweyne and his cronies who are responsible for the initial crises, and the southerners made sure they drag whats left of somalia in the mud. Somaliland played absulutely no part in whatever happened in that god forsaken place.

[Cowke]

It is quite an interesting observation you make. But simply uniting 1 clan is not very hard task. That is pretty much all somaliland did and you know it and i know it and more importantly the international community knows it.

 

As for your reference to eastern somalis. They never took part of any war in somalia. The only time we fought is in 92 With Al-Itihaad extremist in Bossaso. Galkacyo War in 93. And 2002 abdullahi vs cade muse internal political war. All of which was quickly resolved.

 

But more importantely it is noteworthy to note that the international community now knows that separation doesn't mean development and peace because Puntland can develop as proven over the civil war era and still remain firmly apart of Somalia.

 

To make matters even more distasteful, it is 28 000 somalilanders who seek refugee every year in bossaso refugee camp. Which you can verify at the international institute of strategy.

 

International Institute Of Strategy

 

Ps: Somaliland doesn't get involved because it doesn't have he manpower, resources, nor political hindsight to get involved in the region. Only strong regions such as puntland and djibouti, ethiopia, and kenya get involved buddy.

 

You try to make it appear uniting 1 clan family in north west somalia is such a big deal, yet forget that hamar and it's environments consist of multiple and diverse clan backgrounds. Not only that but no clan has leverage over the other. Unlike somaliland were 80% of it is just 1 clan. How much fuzz can 1 clan make? You make yourself look silly, but i am sick and tired of responding to this crap. When the international community sits down and assess somalia that is when I will make sure our boys are armed with political arsenal to make sure no somalis can respond back.

[Fabregas_Bruv]

Where is mr Ahmed Godane from?lol

[MAXIMUS POWERS]

Originally posted by Cowke:

It is quite an interesting observation you make. But simply uniting 1 clan is not very hard task. That is pretty much all somaliland did and you know it and i know it and more importantly the international community knows it.

When they called you the King, It certainly wasn't through hadal dux lahayn! but perhaps the delusional that runs through the mind of a tiny elite in puntland who have a monopoly on power. Cowke, despite your claim that its easy to unite a clan. Somaliland is not based on a clan-entity unlike Puntland and yet we have managed to have peace and prosperity even with our diversity.

 

 

Originally posted by Cowke:

As for your reference to eastern somalis. They never took part of any war in somalia. The only time we fought is in 92 With Al-Itihaad extremist in Bossaso. Galkacyo War in 93. And 2002 abdullahi vs cade muse internal political war. All of which was quickly resolved.

You failed to mention the recent skirmishes in Galkacyo and instability that rocked Puntland.

 

 

Originally posted by Cowke:

But more importantely it is noteworthy to note that the international community now knows that separation doesn't mean development and peace because Puntland can develop as proven over the civil war era and still remain firmly apart of Somalia.

Development must have a different meaning in your mind compare to its usually definition of establish and achieving progress, if you chose to deny the development and prosperity that has been established in Somaliland. The very fact that you can even compare a tribal-entity fraught with violence and instability with Somaliland doesn't surprise me but this is something that is ingrained in the minds of Puntlanders who harbour deep resentment towards Somaliland and its development.

[Thankful]

Do to NW Somalia's location close to Djibouti and the military presence there, it has been able to stay away from many of the problems that you have mentioned. But one thing that the admin in NW Somalia has contributed in, is the addiction to drugs that is crippling Somalis. Their inability to combat this disgusting and life threatening drug called Khat, has destroyed so many Somali homes, as men waste away eating this drug day in and day out. This drug was introduced to the rest of Somalia via NW Somalia.

 

The drug is in such high use and prevalent that now people try and justify it as socially acceptable and equate it to the use of alcohol in the west.

 

The terrorism, piracy, starvation and other criminal acts you have mentioned can be combated. The use of Khat that started in NW Somalia has now infested communities living in Somalia's border with Kenya all the way to Somalia's border with Djibouti, it is in my opinion the single greatest epidemic that is destroying Somali society.

 

In NW Somalia one of the richest families made their wealth by supplying this drug to it's people in plan view of the authorities. No where else in Somalia will you find such organized drug trade.

[MAXIMUS POWERS]

I like the way in which those who harbour resentment towards the great strides made by the Somaliland people like to use any reason to discredit Somaliland. ThankulSP, you just have see that Khat is a sub-culture consumed across the Somali peninsula and is not limited to Somaliland.

[Thankful]

I agree, it is consumed across the Somali peninsula. But people have been getting high on it in NW Somalia longer then any other Somali region. It was something that was once only used by Somali's from NW of Somalia.

 

Very small segments of society are dealing in the list that you made. Regardless, the admin and people have spoken out against Terrorism, Piracy, Human Trafficking. These problems thrive in poverty and yet no matter what people do not accept them.

[MAXIMUS POWERS]

Originally posted by ThankfulSP:

people have been getting high on it in NW Somalia longer then any other Somali region. It was something that was once only used by Somali's from NW of Somalia.

You say this with a sense of authority! Has any research actually been done on this?

 

Also... ''Regardless, the admin and people have spoken out against Terrorism, Piracy, Human Trafficking.'' What admin is that? If you are talking about the Faroole regime, has it not conspired with pirates, make a profit from human trafficking. Isnt the puntland government actually encouraging human trafficking in Bossaso? Perhaps they should also realise and maybe do something about the high level of prostitition and rampant rates of HIV/AIDS in puntland especially in major towns.

[Resistance]

How sad that u ask wo tarnished the Somali name and yet immediatly resort to one single fact ( Tribalism)that is is mainly been our downfall.

 

Your are naive and downright triblistic if you beleive that a region ( or a tribe ) are a blameless to the many issues you have listed above.

 

Perharps someone aught to inform you that the top three ranks in Al-Shabaab are filled by indivuals that hail from Somaliland and yet U never a southerner blame Somaliland for exporting extremism, also that foot soldeirs of Al-Shabaab etc hail from all over Somalia and no one tribe dominates.

 

This is yet another Somailander using the vicim card to further their own cause at the cost of others ( reminds of Isreal and the holocaust reason ).

 

P.S and why does it bother if the name of Somalis is tarnished, you do after all claim to be a Somalilander not Somali.

[Xaaji Dhagax.]

Originally posted by MAXIMUS POWERS:

Perhaps they should also realise and maybe do something about the high level of prostitition and rampant rates of

HIV/AIDS in puntland especially in major towns.

There are more people living with HIV in Somaliland than anywhere else in Somalia! One signle hospital in Burco alone has 980 people registered with who regularly get their Antiviral medicine.

 

 

Prostitution, Rape, AIDs is so high in that of part of Somalia.

 

The South (specially deep South) has the lowest HIV/AIDs cases in Somalia.

[Thankful]

Originally posted by MAXIMUS POWERS:

research actually been done on this?

 

Perhaps they should also realise and maybe do something about the high level of prostitition and rampant rates of HIV/AIDS in puntland especially in major towns.

You seem to be the one that is suffering from resentment!

[Ibtisam]

Originally posted by Dhagax.:

quote:Originally posted by MAXIMUS POWERS:

Perhaps they should also realise and maybe do something about the high level of prostitition and rampant rates of

HIV/AIDS in puntland especially in major towns.

There are more people living with HIV in Somaliland than anywhere else in Somalia! One signle hospital in Burco alone has

980

people registered with who regularly get their Antiviral medicine.

 

 

Prostitution, Rape, AIDs is so high in that of part of Somalia.

 

The South (specially deep South) has the lowest HIV/AIDs cases in Somalia.

Dhagax That is more due to diagnosis, treatment and recoding of statistical data rather than the commonality or spread of the disease. It is no coincidences that in the conflict zones there are no recorded date or even estimates of its existence. The same can be said of any disease.

 

As for the thread: Somalis are a whole is to blame, we have all failed in one way or another.

[Xaaji Dhagax.]

^Its due to the Ethiopian influx and drug consumption which is out of hand!

 

You are right Somalia as whole is to blame but the guy who started this post thinks otherwise. I wonder if he had ever visited Somaliland??

[Ibtisam]

^^I have what is your point though???

 

By Drug consumption if you mean qaad, then there is no correlation between Aids and Qaad. If you mean drugs which require sharing of syringes and so on then, you are shooting yourself in the foot- junkies have not reached that level yet.

 

As for the Ethiopian influx- I assume you mean the relatively easy border crossings. In which case refugee camps near or in Kenya should therefore similar rise.

 

So my dear find another stick will ya, the lack of statistics in some regions is a shame because it could save people’s life by facilitating treatment.