These wadaado, what are their qabiils?

[Reality Check]

I'm curious to know how many qabiils are represented in this ICU/UCI/USC?

 

I guess since qabiil names are CENSORED, maybe we can count. Like 1 qabiil, 2, etc.

 

Please enlighten those who don't know.

 

Thanks.

[Che -Guevara]

Pretty much every Somali Qabiil, and it is becoming more inclusive everyday. The main force as of now is from Mogadisho tribes aka USC tribes.

[Ms DD]

I think the era of clan maybe a thing of the past. AFter all we have people of the same clan on opposing sides in the name of TFG and ICU.

[QabiilDiid]

Mr. Reality Check, check the reality of the NEW SOMALIA. If we Somalis have gained any thing from the civil war, most of us are realizing that this qabiil label have no more weight in the polical discourse. Every child in streets of Gaalkacyo, Qardho , Hargeisa, Borama, Kismaayo, Beledwey, Baidhama and from all other Somali cities and villages, knows that it is not going to work for Mele Zanawi and Mr. Kebaki to divide Somalis along qabiil lines and then rule them by proxy utilizing fake sellout pseudo politicians. UICs are comprehensive representatives from all Somali sectarian areas.

KU QUUS haddii aad camiil tahay...

[XOG-ogaal]

this is my frist post .......i guess i have nothing to add on what Naytuus said

[Reality Check]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the ICU/CSI a concentration of one qabiil---many subclans of that qabiil?

[ElPunto]

Originally posted by Nayruus:

Mr. Reality Check, check the reality of the NEW SOMALIA. If we Somalis have gained any thing from the civil war, most of us are realizing that this qabiil label have no more weight in the polical discourse. Every child in streets of Gaalkacyo, Qardho , Hargeisa, Borama, Kismaayo, Beledwey, Baidhama and from all other Somali cities and villages, knows that it is not going to work for Mele Zanawi and Mr. Kebaki to divide Somalis along qabiil lines

No more weight for qabiil and no more division amongst Somalis.

 

That's very funny, wallahi.

[Thankful]

The leadership is made up of one single tribe. Those that make the decision and are in every photo are one single tribe. Sure they have access to money and can buy many fighters who are from other tribes. This still doesn't mean they are made up of many tribes, they'll never allow their number 2 or 1 to be of a another tribe.

It's ironic that the TFG which is said to be a puppet of the Ethiopians, is more diverse then the so called Islamic courts, who have declared Jihad. At least the TFG includes all tribes amoung their decision makers.

[General Duke]

^^^Most of the clan courts is from one clan. The clan of Mogadishu. Outside this you have Turki's clan who are now being brought in slowly, you have Abu Mansoor who is from Bay, but even the Shurra has very few members outside the clan of Mogadishu.

 

For example if we look at the structure of the courts..,Which is centralised, all the top posts are filled by a single clan. The main courts are, Al-furqan, Ifka Xalin, Si-si, Chircoole, Dayniile... All belong to a single clan.

 

Head: Xasan Dahir Aways

Deputy: Sharif Ahmed

Deputy: Suuley

Deputy: A/Raxman Jinagow

Security: Yusuf Inda Cade

Fiannace: Abdulkadir Abukar Cadaan

Foreign affairs chief: Prof Cadow

Information:

Head of Al-Shabaab: Adan XashiCayrow.

 

All these posts are filled by the clan of Mogadishu, they have delegated some power to Turki's clan in the Juba's as if that area is just theirs.

[RedSea]

Originally posted by Reality Check:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the ICU/CSI a concentration of one qabiil---many subclans of that qabiil?

Mr.Reality, you are not wrong,but you just need to be inputed what is correct. YOu are right on the track,by asking when you are not sure of it completely, because you would be so suprise how many people here seem to critise the ICU without knowing the first thing about them.So since you asked respectabl,we will tell you what we know of the ICU,from that point on,it's your call of whether you think they are good for us or dont fit.

 

 

You see,since this movement,named the ICU has started in Muqdisho which is resided today by more of one clan and its sub clans than any other,thefore you should expect the members to be more of one clan.However,as the ICU's influence and goodwill is extended to other regions as well,then tribes different from the tribes in Xamar have joined the movement.They didn't ask them you folks are one qabiil and this is qabiil agenda,however,they looked into what exactly the movement stands for,and thus have done their share part of the job, after all this is their country isn't it?

 

There are those from Kismayo,there are those from right here by hometown Hargeysa,there are those from Bay and Bakool regions,there are those from Puntland,and as this goes on more and more are joining the ICU,because they know that, the ICU is giving a peace to take place and chance for justice to be served.

 

Whether the ICU consists more of one clan than all others is largely due to the geographical location of where this taking place,however,one shouldn't put too much time looking into their qabiil,however look what they stand for,which is peace and justice in accordance with the Islamic Sharica for all.

 

I hope that helps Reality--and thanks for asking.

 

 

Duke, can you also tell us who holds the other posts which you have left out, if you don't mind me asking.

 

Assalamu calaykum.

[General Duke]

Give us the structure of the courts leadership Mr Red Sea? Are they a somali movement or a clan movement, even Aydeed had various men in his government, Tuur, Omar Jess and so on.

 

Head: Xasan Dahir Aways

Deputy: Sharif Ahmed

Deputy: Suuley

Deputy: A/Raxman Jinagow

Security: Yusuf Inda Cade

Fiannace: Abdulkadir Abukar Cadaan

Foreign affairs chief: Prof Cadow

Information:

Head of Al-Shabaab: Adan XashiCayrow.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Add Xiinfaniin to the list, adeer.

[General Duke]

^^^If Xiin was in there even I would support.

[Reality Check]

Originally posted by Mr. Red Sea:

quote:Originally posted by Reality Check:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt the ICU/CSI a concentration of one qabiil---many subclans of that qabiil?

Mr.Reality, you are not wrong,but you just need to be inputed what is correct.

So here is my understanding so far:

 

1. The leadership consists of one major clan

2. The majority of the courts and its members are of that clan

3. They have allies from other qabiils (how big are their numbers?)

 

 

Here are 3 more questions:

 

1. How large is the supporters of the other clans?

 

2. The towns that are taken over by the USC/UCI, what are the makeup of the qabiils living there?

 

3. How many of the under-represented qabiils have major leadership roles?

[RedSea]

Mr.Duke,why are you so obsesed with their Qabiil?

Cant you seem to grasp the goodoings of this noble men rather than dismissed them because they belong more into one tribe?

 

 

Check out their social legacy: they have done more than these,but just few things that they have done thus far in their few months of existance:

 

 

On July 15 2006, the Islamic Courts opened the historical Mogadishu airport which had been shut down by warlords for 11 years. Mogadishu international airport had been closed since the withdrawal of the international forces in 1995 when rival faction leaders disagreed to offer the public service. In the final years, it was occupied by local thugs.The first airplane chartered by the Arab League flew from the airport for the first time in 11 years picking up Islamic Courts delegates to Sudanese capital Khartoum.[11]

 

On August 15 2006, the UIC liberated Haradhere, some 500km northeast of Mogadishu, which had become a safe haven for pirates. Sheikh Ahmed said UIC forces went to Haradhere to deal with pirates who had made the Somali coast a no-go area. "The activities of these people [pirates] had made life very difficult for ordinary Somalis," he said. "Ships were refusing to deliver food to Somalia for fear of being hijacked. We were asked to do something about it and we did." The liberation of Haradhere has dealt a blow to pirates and given a boost to business and security in Somalia. This ended a long period of fear for International maritime communications as shipping firms and international organisations had been forced to pay large ransoms for the release of vessels and crews.[12]

 

On August 23 2006, the Islamic courts issued a directive banning the sale of charcoal, rare birds and rare animals. The Executive Committee of the Islamic Courts issued the directive after a full committee meeting agreed to the ban, Sheikh Abdulkadir Ali Omar, the UIC Vice-Chairman, said. "The decision was reached after the committee was briefed on the dangers posed by the indiscriminate cutting of our trees," he said. Almost all the charcoal goes to the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia, where a bag fetches about US $15. Local bandits and thugs were cutting down trees and burning them into charcoal. It was causing major destruction of the ecosystem, soil erosion and water scarcity.

 

[12]

On August 25 2006, the Islamic Courts opened historical Mogadishu seaport. Shut down by warlords for the past 10 years, Mogadishu's port used to be one of the busiest in East Africa, before the conflict led to its closure. On that day, hundreds of people went to the port to see the ship, which arrived from Kenya carrying goods such as TVs and coffee.[13] The port opened in circa 900 AD and described by Ibn Batuta's fourth trip (1328) as the busiest and richest port of the east African coast.

 

On September 21 2006, the Islamic Courts issued a decree forbidding the sale of khat (a narcotic drug) in the daylight during the holy month of Ramadan. Mostly consumed in Somalia and imported from mainly Kenya, it is widely seen as destructive for families, loss of income, waste of productivity and the primary cause of banditry and drug addiction. On October 2, from Kismayo, the Islamic Courts burnt in public seven bags of Khat imported from Kenya which caused anger among Khat traders who instigated riots to express their dissatisfaction. [14]

 

On October 5, 2006 the Islamic Courts declared the formation of the supreme Islamic Sharia court of Banadir province. The announcement ceremony attended by all Islamic officials; both consultative and executive councils, intellectuals and civil society members took place in former villa Somalia presidential palace in central Mogadishu. The latest announcement of the central Islamic Court ends all tribal Islamic Courts in the capital. [15]

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Courts_Union