Mungiki???

[Fabregas]

@Dhulqar, anywhere I can read this?

[Chimera]

Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar:

quote:Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale:

We would? Somalian armies have been roaming throughout Kenya and Tanzania since the early 17th century case in point the Portuguese defeat by a joint Somalian-Omanese force in 1660 Mombasa, or the Nabahan arab princes of Pate that were threatening the Siu women and children who were rescued by a Katwa Somalian army ...

Daa'uud, maxaa waaye waxaan? "Somalian???????"

 

Kamoon nooh. It is annoying seeing this Soomaali noun butchered by non-Soomaali, and it is even more annoying when it is written or said by Soomaalis, and extra more unbelievable coming from you of all people here.

 

Perhaps those foreign forums you visit ayaad lasoo qabsaday.

Bajunis

Boni people

Oromo's

Somali Bantu

Ethnic Somalis

etc etc

 

=Somalians

 

the way

 

Azeris

Farsis

Kurds

Arabs

etc etc

 

=Iranians

 

first they said ethnic Somalis are those who fall under the so-called ''noble'' clan system hence making it easier for revisionists to give every historical figure born on the Somali peninsula an ambiguous origin because the persons ''clan'' is unknown ignoring the fact that there many groups of Ethnic Somalis who do not fall under this system

 

so i use it as a heterogenerous term that includes multiple groups of Somalia

[me]

Hold up Dauud, there are one kind of Somali's and they are called Somali. There are no Oromo's Bantu's Bajuunis, Boni's...Just Somalis. Dadkan la kala saar saarayo maxaa waaye?

 

MMA is right, the correct term is Somali.

[Chimera]

Originally posted by me:

Hold up Dauud, there are one kind of Somali's and they are called Somali. There are no Oromo's Bantu's Bajuunis, Boni's...Just Somalis. Dadkan la kala saar saarayo maxaa waaye?

 

MMA is right, the correct term is Somali.

Sxb i'm not dividing i'm trying to unite and if you read books about Somali history throughout the horn you will notice how these revisionists like Pankhurst or undercovers like Lewis divide Somalis by using the clan system, for them every figure born on the Somali peninsula that doesn't have a ''noble clan'' can't be a ''Somali'' despite the fact that there are groups like Biyomaal who are ethnic Somalis but in the last centuries started practicing a different profession and are no longer part of the so-called noble clan system

[Chimera]

geeljire check ''pm''

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale:

Bajunis

Boni people

Oromo's

Somali Bantu

Ethnic Somalis

etc etc

 

=Somalians

 

the way

 

Azeris

Farsis

Kurds

Arabs

etc etc

 

=Iranians

 

first they said ethnic Somalis are those who fall under the so-called ''noble'' clan system hence making it easier for revisionists to give every historical figure born on the Somali peninsula an ambiguous origin because the persons ''clan'' is unknown ignoring the fact that there many groups of Ethnic Somalis who do not fall under this system

 

so i use it as a heterogenerous term that includes multiple groups of Somalia

You've a little problem in this thinking, brother. Intaa islahayd to dispel the myth propagated by others who tried to differentiate Soomaalis, you fell in their trap.

 

The problem is that if you use this incorrect term "Somalian," it only then will refer those who live in Soomaaliya proper, which will exclude the residents of the current occupied territories of Soomaali Galbeed and NFD because the occupiers of these regions will say you are not citizens of Soomaaliya since the citizens of that country are called "Somalian" and you Soomaalis. Do you see what I see?

 

The residents of these occupied region are automatic citizens of Soomaaliya proper and can live anywhere they wish to, a right given in the original constitution.

 

The other people you named on the list are Soomaalis. Just Soomaali. No need to differentiate. And should one differentiate, well, clans too are differentiated into numerous different clans, and no one asks their Soomaalinimo. It is non-Soomaalis who keep and refer those terms of "Soomaali Bantu" and such.

 

It is Soomaali, we always were Soomaali. Our language being Soomaali, the country Soomaaliya. There is no confusion in this and should not be.

 

Comparing Soomaalida to Reer Iiraan, with its multi-ethnicities was as an unfortunate choice too. You should have perhaps used Reer Jabaan, who are closest to Soomaalis in terms of single ethnicity dominating a country. Few people know Jabaan has few minorities that they forcefully or not assimilated into Japanese culture in the past eras.

[Chimera]

Brother MMA our people from those regions are automaticly citizens of Somalia so they too would fall under ''Somalian'', i agree comparing our Nation to Iran is bit off but they too have people related to them living across their country's borders which they lost in imperial partitioning

 

One thing that needs to be taught is ''ethnic Somalis'' (you know the type that dominates) do not all fall under H,D,D,I and that is what i'm trying to counter

 

i'm open to idea's in my future work to counter and destroy these lies of Lewis and co who use clans and move them around in Somali peninsula's history like their playing a game of chess the way Somalis are being moved around or are being displaced in D-ir Dhaba or Harar for sinister reasons

[me]

Mungiki terrorism is bad for economy

 

 

KENYA’s sustained economic growth soon after attaining independence in 1963 has largely been attributed, not to natural resources, but years of steady peace and political stability.

 

Even many countries with huge resources, including natural oil have not done better than Kenya. Our huge and most valuable resource has therefore been peace which has effectively translated in goodwill and a magnetic pull for foreign investment.

 

Tourism is one industry that flourishes on peace and has conferred upon the country a strong foundation for economic development.

 

A threat to Kenya’s peace is therefore a major blow to the country’s socioeconomic development, scaring away both local and foreign investments. And this is why the Government must bring to an end the Mungiki orgy of killings.

 

Investors

 

All businesses are bound to suffer considerably if anarchy persists and losers will be all Kenyans, including Mungiki. It will be worse if the usual uncertainty that comes with general election is further complicated by insecurity.

 

A number of investors are likely to suspend their business ventures in Kenya from mid this moth even before we plunge into the usual murky campaign period for the General Election.

 

The ongoing Mungiki terror and the Government’s bloody counter attack therefore pose a real threat to tourism on which many other related subsectors thrive.

 

Education as a commercial product is also bound to be affected by the ongoing terror which, unfortunately, has hit Nairobi which is the hub of Kenya’s higher education industry.

 

Parents and sponsors of foreign students as well as other business institutions and agencies with foreign staff in Kenya must be extremely scared of the unfolding events in the country.

 

UNEP

 

For some years, the United Nations has been toying with the idea of closing and relocating the United Nations Environmental Programme headquarters citing insecurity in Nairobi.

 

The Government after having demonstrated that it has the boots, machine and gunfire to hit back at the Mungiki sect, should now think of an alternative modus operandi that would equally send a strong message to the outlawed sect that the sect stands to gain from peace other than terror.

 

The Government should consult widely, both experts and opinion leaders, particularly from Central Province from where most of the sect members reside to arrive at a quick solutions to the menace.

 

Kenya is reputed as an island of peace and peace maker in the region. The country should not be allowed to degenerate into a seat of anarchy and communal strife.

 

President Mwai Kibaki has a duty to convene public meeting in central province to seek a solution to the menace before it spills over to other regions in the country. This is the President’s job which he should not delegate.

[me]

Mungiki: No retreat

 

 

Sect vows more beheadings as Govt confers with Mt Kenya MPs and pledges firepower

 

 

By TIMES TEAM

 

SUSPECTED Mungiki sect members yesterday issued fresh threats as the government and 25 MPs from parts of Central and Rift Valley provinces declared total war on the outlawed group.

 

As leaflets believed to have been issued by members of the sect were circulated in Kiria-ini area of Murang’a district with fresh threats, a meeting convened by Head of the Civil Service and Secretary to the Cabinet Francis Muthaura with the MPs, vowed to use all possible means to wipe out the sect.

 

The leaflets contained threats by the sect to behead 20 more people, among them ten police officers and local residents suspected to be cooperating with the government.

 

But elsewhere, ODM-K presidential hopeful Raila Odinga criticised the manner in which the government has been handling the Mungiki menace.

 

Upon his arrival in the country from Britain, KANU Chairman Uhuru Kenyatta told the government to deal firmly with the sect whose activities, he said, posed both national and international threats.

 

Raila on his part criticised the Monday killing of 24 suspected Mungiki adherents by police in Mathare slums, describing the action as massacre.

 

Raila said the law enforcers had no justification to go on a killing spree of the suspects to avenge the killing of two of their colleagues.

 

He said the officers should have arrested the victims in order to grill them to get information that would help them solve the mystery behind the Mungiki sect terror that has left tens of people grisly murdered in Kiambu, Muranga and Nairobi in the recent past.

 

Addressing a press conference before proceeding on a campaign trail in Sururu, Mauche, Molo, Kuresoi and Rongai areas, Raila called for the resignation of the Internal Security Minister, John Michuki for allegedly failing to contain the Mungiki menace

 

In their latest leaflets, the sect threatened to behead 20 more people, among them 10 police officers and local residents suspected to be cooperating with the government in its crackdown.

 

They also threatened to behead matatu operators and owners of homesteads that default on the payment of the daily Sh 200 and monthly Sh 100 protection fee respectively.

 

Acting Murang’a North district police boss Albert Kimathi, however, assured residents that the government had beefed up security in the area .

 

He confirmed that the police were aware that the sect was demanding for a protection fee of Sh 200 from every matatu and Sh 100 from every homestead each month and another Sh 50 from every small business in Kahuro division.

 

Mr Kimathi assured residents that the police had intensified patrols in the area to ensure that all suspected members of the sect were arrested and arraigned in court.

 

Internal Security minister John Michu, briefing the press after a meeting with the legislators in Nairobi, said they had resolved to use a two-pronged approach to fight members of the sect that have left a trail of deaths wherever they have struck.

 

Among the issues agreed upon was that the government deals with the sect members firmly while the MPs sensitise the residents on the need for peaceful co-existence.

 

“We have agreed that the government continues to deal firmly with the criminal elements in the affected areas according to the law ,” said Michuki.

 

He said the legislators had undertaken to deal with the economic and social issues by discouraging them from engaging themselves in criminal activities.

 

The MPs are also expected to encourage youths in the affected areas to apply for financial assistance from devolved funds such as Constituency Development Fund (CDF), Women Enterprise Fund and the Youth Enterprise Fund to start income-generating activities.

 

The youth can as well apply for other fundings from the Hawkers Markets Micro Enterprise Fund.

 

Michuki said that the widely publicised murderous wave being blamed on Mungiki members had caused a state of fear and panic amongst Kenyans.

 

The minister, whose home district of Muranga has heavily been affected by criminal activities of the Mungiki sect, appealed to politicians to refrain from making inflammatory and inciting statements.

 

Earlier, Michuki had held a two-hour consultative meeting with various heads of government security agencies among them the Commissioner of Police Major General Hussein Ali, Director of Criminal Investigations Department (CID) Gatiba Karanja, Director of National Security Intelligence Services (NSIS) Major-General Michael Gichangi, among others.

 

The leaflets in Muranga were in circulation only hours after two suspected members of the outlawed sect were on Tuesday shot dead and more than 20 others arrested by police in Kahuro division in a major operation following the beheading of four people on Monday night.

 

The two who were identified as Patrick Kamau and Henry Kaberia were in a gang of 20 people who were waylaid in a forest near Gitiri village by police who were patrolling the area in search of the attackers during Monday’s killings in the district in which an elderly couple was among those hacked to death.

 

On Monday night, an unknown number of people beheaded four people in Murang’a district .

 

The victims, who included Lawrence Irungu Gatimu, 66, and his wife Beatrice Wanjiru Irungu, 64, were killed in the bloodiest nights since the war pitting the sect against the police came to the fore. Others were David Mwangi and Evans Kimani Magoiri.

 

Confirming the Tuesday incident, Acting Murang’a North district Police boss Albert Kimathi said the two who were armed with pangas and other crude weapons defied police orders to surrender, prompting the police to open fire on them.

 

The Murang’a killings coincided with another bloodbath in Mathare and Mlango Kubwa areas in Nairobi in which two police officers on patrol of the area, suspected to be a major hideout for the sect members, were shot from behind by members of the gang believed to be Mungiki and took their two AK 47 rifles snatched by others who had taken positions. As a result, police mounted a major operation in the area in which 25 people were killed by the police on suspicion of being members of the murderous sect. The two officers killed by the sect were identified as Constables John Matinde and the 24-year-old Philip Lengai who had served the force for less than six months.

 

Two of their colleagues who were also seriously injured during the attack were rushed to the Armed Forces Memorial Hospital where they are receiving treatment.

 

Confirming the Nairobi incident, Police Spokesman Erick Kiraithe said the men who were gunned down were among suspected Mungiki members who had attempted to stop the police from carrying out the operation after their two colleagues were felled by the sect members.

 

And following the Monday night killings in Murang’a, Kimathi said security personnel drawn from the General Service Unit (GSU) Administration Police (APs) and the regular police as well as undercover police had been deployed in the area to search and bring the assailants to book.

 

According to Kimathi, the police positively identified the felled men, Kamau and Kaberia, as Mungiki followers using the intelligence report they had obtained from area residents. He said those arrested in Kahuro and other areas in the district are in custody and are helping the police with investigations.

 

And in Nairobi, a skinned human head which was recovered from the volatile Mathare area was taken to the City Mortuary without the rest of the body. Sources said that more bodies had been taken to the City Mortuary but it could not be confirmed whether the people had been killed by Mungiki or died from other causes.

[Jabhad]

In pictures: Mungiki crackdown.

Mathare slum looks more scary place than the last time I toured its narrow streets sxb.

 

Here are more pictures on the crackdown of Mungiki sect founded by the largest tribe in Kenya, the Kikuyu. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/6731511.stm

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale:

quote:Originally posted by Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar:

quote:

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Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale:

We would? Somalian armies have been roaming throughout Kenya and Tanzania since the early 17th century case in point the Portuguese defeat by a joint Somalian-Omanese force in 1660 Mombasa, or the Nabahan arab princes of Pate that were threatening the Siu women and children who were rescued by a Katwa Somalian army ...

Daa'uud, maxaa waaye waxaan? "Somalian???????"

 

Kamoon nooh. It is annoying seeing this Soomaali noun butchered by non-Soomaali, and it is even more annoying when it is written or said by Soomaalis, and extra more unbelievable coming from you of all people here.

 

Perhaps those foreign forums you visit ayaad lasoo qabsaday.

Bajunis

Boni people

Oromo's

Somali Bantu

Ethnic Somalis

etc etc

 

=Somalians

 

the way

 

Azeris

Farsis

Kurds

Arabs

etc etc

 

=Iranians

 

first they said ethnic Somalis are those who fall under the so-called ''noble'' clan system hence making it easier for revisionists to give every historical figure born on the Somali peninsula an ambiguous origin because the persons ''clan'' is unknown ignoring the fact that there many groups of Ethnic Somalis who do not fall under this system

 

so i use it as a heterogenerous term that includes multiple groups of Somalia

A very valid point Dhulqarnayn. I agree with your use of the term "Somalian" to include and take into account all aspects of the citizens of our nation. Those who are ethnic Somalis, as well as those who were Somalized at some point in history including, but not limited to, the innocent people of Bantu descent who were taken from their homelands in Tanzania.

 

Historically, and in even today, ethnic Somalis are known those who are of the pastorialist nomads or have ties to them. It was only in the 70's that the term was widened by the existing government in its campaign to be known as the only largely homogeneous African nation. Of course, having the same religion and having a centralized, national language advanced the case but so does Ethiopia have a centralized, national language and share the same faith (at least at the top) but a Tigre will never be known as an Amhara.

 

It is the civil war and the past marginalization of groups who were pinpointed as being different, that makes some Somalis lose the inability to see our great diversity. There is strength in diversity and we should celebrate it not hide it under our beds.