Prof. Galaydh recommends the removal of Sh. Aweys from UICs

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

Good list for the Government to keep!

[QabiilDiid]

NN, the bone of contention is the Ethios in Somalia. If Mele Zenawi removes his militia from our soil, these meeting in Asmara have no legs to stand on except to emerge as strong political opposition especially if Sh. Aweys and other militants are retired.

 

The UN has the solution for Somalia. If it approves peace keeping budget for AU forces without further delay, Ethios are forced to go home and the EU understands that....

 

So, brother lower your tone....

 

[ September 06, 2007, 10:30 AM: Message edited by: Nayruus ]

[QabiilDiid]

We need compromise. We have to leave behind the culture of militancy and stubbornness. We are the bargaining chip for both Ethiopia and Eritrea. At this moment they are sitting together somewhere in Europe (listen today’s Somali BBC news) hammering out their disagreements over a small strip of land. If these guys settle their difference and it likes like they will, are not be thrown away like a used dish washing sponge by both of them?

 

Sidii ay doonto ha u xumaatee inta aan haysano yeyna inga sii kala daadan.....

 

Muqdisho: Ra’iisul Wasaare Geeddi oo Jabuuti kula kulmaya xubno ka tirsan maxkamaddihii Islaamiga

 

6. September 2007

 

Muqdisho(AllPuntland)- Wafdi ballaaran oo uu horkacayo Ra’iisul Wasaare Cali Maxamed Geeddi ayaa maanta ka ambabaxay garoonka diyaaradaha Aadan Cadde Airport ee magalaada Muqdisho, iyagoo ku sii jeeda dalka Jabuuti.

 

Ujeedada socdaalka Ra’iisul Wasaaraha ayaa la sheegay in uu dalkaasi kula kulmi doono xubno ka tirsanaa Maxkamaddihii Islaamiga ee laga awood roonaaday oo la qorsheynayo iney halkaasi kulan ku yeeshaan looga wada hadlayo sidii ay isugu soo dhowaan lahaayeen labada dhinac.

 

Wasiirul Dowlaha arrimaha gudaha Md. Maxamuud Sayid Aadan ayaa saxaafadda u sheegay in Ra’iisul Wasaaruhu uu halkaasi kula kulmi doono xubno ka tirsan maxaakiimta ayna ka wada hadli doonaan sidii labada dhinaca ay u yeelan lahaayeen aragto hordhac ah oo isu soo dhoweyn karta sidii wada hadal loogu dhameyn lahaa khilaafka taagan.

 

Prof. Geeddi ayaa garoonka diyaaradaha Muqdisho waxaa ku sii sagootiyay xubno ka tirsan labada gole isagoo inta uu joogo dalka Jabuutina la qorsheynayo inuu kulamo la yeesho mas’uuliyiinta dalka Jabuuti iyo jaaliyadda Soomaaliyeed ee halkaasi ku nool.

 

Safarka Ra’iisul Wasaaraha ayaa ku soo aaday xili dalka Jabuuti ay xarun Transid u noqotay kooxaha uu shirka maanta ugu furmay magaalada Asmara halkaasoo laga yaabo in qaar ka tirsan mas’uuliyiintii maxkamadaha ay Jabuuti ku sugan yihiin, lagana yaabo iney wada hadal la yeeshaan wafdiga Ra’iisul Wasaaraha.

 

Cali Muxiyaddiin Cali

AllPuntland, Muqdisho

[xiinfaniin]

Originally posted by Nayruus:

We need compromise. We have to leave behind the culture of militancy and stubbornness. We are the bargaining chip for both Ethiopia and Eritrea. At this moment they are sitting together somewhere in Europe (listen today’s Somali BBC news) hammering out their disagreements over a small strip of land. If these guys settle their difference and it likes like they will, are not be thrown away like a used dish washing sponge by both of them?

 

Sidii ay doonto ha u xumaatee inta aan haysano yeyna inga sii kala daadan.....

 

Nice sentiment there yaa N! But with this belligerent pm and his equally stubborn boss, your approach, positive as it may be, has a slim chance to be adopted by this team!

 

The zero sum game is deeply rooted in Somali politics---much deeper than we are willing to admit.

[Baashi]

NN,

 

Yesterday is dead and gone. This TFG is a wounded duck nursed and tended by foreign powers. Politiking is an art and those who excel in the art tend to deal their hand from position of strength. TFG is in Benadir. It has the backing of the powers that be. The opposition has proved that this TFG can not survive in a day without Ethiopian protection. EU and the rest of the world agree that Somalia's problems is clannish at its roots with a bit of camel boy politics undercurrents going on on the background. Islamists have upped the game by elevating the body politics to a new heights with monumental implications.

 

Facts being that obvious one can not help but to see that this conflict won't go away without warring sides (hardcore gees) settling their differences in a dirrin. If this TFG succeeds by having foreign hands tame their opposition today you will risk an uprising tomorrow in another disasterous corrective action taken by malcontents a la civil war. De ja vu all over again.

 

Awoowe Inna Yussuf's days are numbered (age will sneak upon him) and with it is the whole clan's standing. It stands to reason that one is ought to put his eggs on a negotiated settlement that addresses each and every grievances out there.

 

To get there you need to listen to the line of reasoning that argues the road to lasting peace in Somalia runs through the reconciliation process.

 

It is good to put a face with the opposition a face that Ethios can not dismiss it with their usual terrorist card. Remember GOP could lose the election come to next round. Meaning Ethios green light to play ball in its eastern foe's backyard might change to red with no amber warning in transition in 16 months time.

 

Let the talking proceed lest the tired, abused, maimed, tortured, murdered, looted, and robbed innocent civilians enjoy a lasting peace.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

"The opposition has proved that this TFG can not survive in a day without Ethiopian protection."

 

I will simply have to disagree with you that the opposition has proved anthying. No one will disagree with you that the government needs the assistance of foreign troops and peacekeepers while it works on building its military and policing capacities. Its another thing thing to say they can not survive without Ethiopian protection. but we really can't test that theory until the Ethiopians leave, can we. before then, we must not, unles we a have a some round crystal ball or miss cleo on speed dial, come such an unfounded conclusion.

 

"Islamists have upped the game by elevating the body politics to a new heights with monumental implications."

 

Again they have not elevated anything. Present among these opposition groups are elements of some kind as what they are opposing! Its a counterdiction on their part and hypocrisy on the part of their supporters. For example, they say they are opposed warlords but among them are some of the biggest warlords such as Aydiid and Indo among others. they say they oppose Ethiopia, but again among them are people who have not only supported Ethiopia just a short few months ago but has been for years and was faired by the government for saying that Ethiopia and Somalia will become one! They say that they oppose the 4.5 formula but the disparity of clan representation far, far worse then it ever was under the Government or for that matter any other organization with the aspiration of ruling the country.

 

"Facts being that obvious one can not help but to see that this conflict won't go away without warring sides (hardcore gees) settling their differences in a dirrin."

 

be that as it may, you still have not answered my question. One side has no interest in settling their difference in a "dirrin". by all means, I agree with you that that is the way forward but what do you do if one side has no interest in that/

 

"If this TFG succeeds by having foreign hands tame their opposition today you will risk an uprising tomorrow in another disasterous corrective action taken by malcontents a la civil war. De ja vu all over again."

 

We have been in a low level civil war for the better part of two decades, no news there and surely no reason to fear trying other methods to restore the country other then the ones we no will fail: peace conferences without any means of inforcing the terms agreeed upon.

 

"Awoowe Inna Yussuf's days are numbered (age will sneak upon him) and with it is the whole clan's standing. It stands to reason that one is ought to put his eggs on a negotiated settlement that addresses each and every grievances out there."

 

Elah ba oog qofba goor to tagayo and I think the president is aware of that, it has nothing to do with opposition timelines. this government will do what it has to do regardless of who dies. If the president dies while in office, God forbid, he will be replaced by the speaker of parliament until they elect another president. And Nothing will happen to his clan's standing regardless of what happens to the President that has not happened already, All they have to gain is the return of their state.

 

"To get there you need to listen to the line of reasoning that argues the road to lasting peace in Somalia runs through the reconciliation process."

Totally agree, but you have to be able to inforce the agreements and for the love of God, how many reconciliation processes must we go through/

 

"It is good to put a face with the opposition a face that Ethios can not dismiss it with their usual terrorist card. Remember GOP could lose the election come to next round. Meaning Ethios green light to play ball in its eastern foe's backyard might change to red with no amber warning in transition in 16 months time."

 

Not only might, but the GOP will almost certainly lose. Its know a matter of the first woman or first African Amrican. yet you are wrong to assume that US foreign policy will redically change due to change of parties in the executive branch of government. Its tubborn to change and that is because its driven by national interest rather then partisan ideology and th US is will always have an interest in a radical free and pro western Horn of Africa.

[QabiilDiid]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

quote:Originally posted by Nayruus:

We need compromise. We have to leave behind the culture of militancy and stubbornness. We are the bargaining chip for both Ethiopia and Eritrea. At this moment they are sitting together somewhere in Europe (listen today’s Somali BBC news) hammering out their disagreements over a small strip of land. If these guys settle their difference and it likes like they will, are not be thrown away like a used dish washing sponge by both of them?

 

Sidii ay doonto ha u xumaatee inta aan haysano yeyna inga sii kala daadan.....

 

Nice sentiment there yaa N! But with this belligerent pm and his equally stubborn boss, your approach, positive as it may be, has a slim chance to be adopted by this team!

 

The zero sum game is deeply rooted in Somali politics---much deeper than we are willing to admit.

Xiin, we are not only deep in water we are deep in ocean. You can easily come up with an array of our ailments. You can easily analyze, theorize and hypothesize. You can easily take this anecdote and find interconnectiveness with another anecdote and reach an easy and fast conclusions. There may be some truth to the recently observed phenomenon of “flimsy rationalization” that characterizes Somalis at large as diehard tribalists. Undoubtedly, tribalism puts most of us in myopic mentality that blocks us from seeing the big picture.

 

When the world is threatened by an incurable disease, scientists supported by policy makers never cease to find remedies.

 

Xiin, if my plea in good faith to Somalis to curtail this destructive culture of self-mutilation seems to you naïve and simple (some smart a** even called my person simpleton), give us a scope of your wisdom and without further analysis, formulate methodologies will lead us to find cure for our ailments. That is the biggest challenge all caring Somalis are facing at.

 

[ September 07, 2007, 11:04 PM: Message edited by: Nayruus ]

[xiinfaniin]

^^ Actually I liked your sentiment. Problem is this team is so subservient to external entities that the chance of them taking a realist approach is very slim. And that was the thrust of my comment Nayruusow.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

oodweyne: "But be that as it may, the idea of Democrats shoring up, the occupation of Somalia by the Ethiopian's army, on the basis of making Somalia, as you said it, a radical free State that supports western interests, is one for the birds..."

Again I have disagree with you. lets be honest about few things. The two candidates that really have a chance of making it into the white house are Obama and Hillary. Both candidates have shown or in the case of Hillary have a record of seeing eyey to eye with bush of matters of foeirgn affairs. Obama, said he would even bomb Pakistan's tribal territories unilateraly if he had to. Am sure you are aware that not only is that stance as Hawkish as Bush's but that it's implications are far worse in that if you were to overthrow Musharaf, you would hand the state state to radicals with nuclear. one clear example of unchanging US foreign policy is clearly Isreal. regardless of which party took power, US policy towards Isreal has been the same. If you were to consider that fact that the pentagan is conservative leaning almost always and the fact that they are trying expand its activities in the horn, I don't know how the need to safegaurd a stable, pro western and radical free state would not be in the interest of those in washington be they the pentagan or the white house. Mind you, this government is not only supported by Ethiopia and the US but must of the states, NGOs and GOs in the world. I believe our disagreement is mainly from who we believe is backing Ethiopia to assist somalia until things are resolved. We can argue both for the US or the EU but the fact remains that all of them (US, EU, UN,AU and China among others) have encouraged Ethio assistance to the Somali government, again i fail to realize how that international support for stability in Somalia would be altered by a change of parties in the white house (A change that I am not only hoping for but almost certain of as a democrat).

[RedSea]

Nayruus,

 

I thought you said that somalia had good government in TFG, how come we are in deep blue water again?

 

I dare you to not judge your tone again by being anti TFG once again?