Puntland’s Situational Irony

[ceelayohoyoo]

Originally posted by Nassir:

^You are as radical as Peace-action and Thankful.

 

No one wins in war, only a son dies..

I agree, one clan using another as crutches. Exploit them and then call for murdering them. Either way our sons will die. A death of dignity is better than that of a death of cowardice.

 

And neither was choosen but the hostiles have choosen a battle which they see as necessary since growth of exponential next to them is a threat.

 

SSDF vs USP let the wars begin

[Peace Action]

Originally posted by Nassir:

^You are as radical as Peace-action and Thankful.

 

No one wins in war, only a son dies..

Unlike you, I am consistent and I do no support shabaab even if they are my family. I agree with your second statement.

 

It is up to Atam to disband his rebel group in order to stop the war he already started.

[NASSIR]

Peace-Action, our differences stem from an issue of substantiation, questions of disputed facts and definitions. It asks us to examine and look up at the available evidence as to whether Atam is leaning towards al-Shabaab or a local leader who is defending his clan's territory from PL's intrusion or its leaders coveting for what rich resources lie beneath this territory. It's not an issue of evaluation. Our difference (believes and ideas) is not about whether al-shabaab is wrong or right, good or bad, desirable or undesirable. That we agree on its undesirability is not in doubt. It's not also an issue of policy or how to address a demonstrable need.

 

BUT it's an issue of substantiation, and thus far the evidence we have is that Mr. Atam distanced himself from any type of reliationship or political coordination with the radical Islamists in the South. He answered three times after the VOA anchor newsman, Mr. Ali Harare, asked him whether he is al-Shabaab or not. He answered negative in all of three questions. al-Shabaab as well denied to be part of this conflict since this whole issue of Majihan and Galgala preceded the rise of al-Shabaab. Sheikh Atam was fighting the former governor Mohamed Muse Hirsi over the mineral rights and oil exploration in the region. So why would Faroole now redefine the nature of this conflict and galvanize his clan or the unsuspecting masses about the invasion of a different region. Do we not care about the looming disaster?

[NASSIR]

Originally posted by Peace Action:

quote:Originally posted by Nassir:

No one wins in war, only a son dies..

I agree with your second statement.

 

Good, then let's give moral boost to the elders and promote peace.

[Thankful]

Originally posted by Nassir:

I know at times myths influence the laymen into a frenzied state of mind as it goes "Makhiris migrated their homeland of Erigavo only to establish themselves in Bari region and that they are here to overtake us soon unless we force them back to their origin".

Rubbish and nonsense. I have been to Bosasso many times. I saw first hand that absolutely no one has a right over it. There are no native territories for one particular group as you want people to believe. I see the biggest business being controlled by tribes that may not be as well known outside of Puntland. The best hotels, like the International Village, Juba Hotel (to name a couple). There are many people from every corner of Somalia that have a right to live in Bosasso and have done so for centuries. This is why you only saw children and young teens protesting in a small area like Dhahar and none inside Bosasso. There was no one upset at the defeat the Puntland government handed to Mr. Atam. So stop with the nonsense that Bosasso is in someway native to one specific group. Because just like a big city like Gaalkayo is shared, so is Bosasso. From what I saw the city welcomes everyone. If every person from Maakhir wanted to settle in Bari then they have every right to, just like all Somalis do and it wouldn’t bother me.

 

I agree that Mr. Atam's ambitions’ in Gagala is nothing I can stop; we will have to see what the international community thinks of his audio tape where he aligns with Al Shabaab. I know the PIS will present it as evidence!

 

You called Ilka-Jiir a heavyweight politician and what I am saying is that the man is incapable of setting foot anywhere outside of Eastern Sanaag. You can say what you want about Erigavo, but for the time being one flag fly's there. Which you have no say on!

 

There is another admin that controls that part of Sanaag, which is why when Cade Muse fought Abdullahi Yusuf back in 2003, he tried to find allies in Eastern Sanaag and was turned down. So he simply went west and founded a base in El Afweyn, Sanaag where Abdullahi Yusuf or anyone from Eastern Sanaag could not enter because another admin controlled it. You can claim that secessionists say this, but it is the truth, Sanaag is not unified as you want people to believe.

 

P.S...Seriously, the VOA interview with Atam means NOTHING. He already said what he said on Pal Talk, he already called a group that is on many countries terrorist lists his brothers and that they are us and we are them! He tried to change what he said the next day, but it is too late his secret got out!

 

Other Puntland religious leaders have condemned the group. He has never!

[ceelayohoyoo]

Thankful

 

I've set foot in Bosaaso 4 times and Erigavo 12. Lets not go where the divide is.

 

One clan breaking down and using another for crutches are transparent as daylight. This is not knew and reer Maakhir needs to get it togther before waging on offensive.

 

The Jubba hotels and ect. are but a minority inside and still side with Maakhir. And to blatantly profess Maakhirs status over Bosaaso as ignorant as you are over admin claims over Erigavo shows through. Is not Laas Anod, Yagori ect. held by one group yet a flag of another flys high?

 

Ignorance is bliss, and your leaders running like headless chickens is nothing new. I suggest Pirateland and their supporters here who've have never heard of Galgala until a few weeks ago sit back and wait for what the residence and "Eastern Sanaag" does inside Pirateland.

[Che -Guevara]

Meeshaan bootada iga cajibisey

[Jacaylbaro]

the VOA interview with Atam means NOTHING. He already said what he said on Pal Talk,

[NASSIR]

So he simply went west and founded a base in El Afweyn,

I thought he could find base in Erigavo.

[Saalax]

Thankful, is spot on this lol, i guess the makhiir's can't not hide the truth about sanaag from him anymore.

[ceelayohoyoo]

Whats your point about Sanaag?

 

Its already clear where majority of its population inhabits and majority of its clan affiliation inhabits it. And clearly its the people of Maakhir.

 

What does this have to do with the situation of Puntland?

 

Absolutely nothing, unless that is Faroole too is seeking the council of elders in the village of El Afweyn.

 

Or Oodwey?

[Saalax]

ceelayohoyoo, since when did ceelafweyn became a village? it's actually a sizeable town with big population, bigger then las qoray, hadaaftiimo, badhan iyo waxas, the only sizeable town in eastern sanaag is actually dhahar.

[NGONGE]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

Yours, ya NGONGE, is lame. You have been watching me all day articulating what my calls are about and now you come back paraphrasing poor Sayid silly questions

 

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ngonge adeer sal fudaydkii baa la timid, waxa laga hadlayo adoon aad u fahmin baad xoogaagii la shir timid, haddaan kuu sheegayna inaysan meesha qabana maadan yeelin ee waad isa sii maqiiqtay ...xal ma lihid.

Tell me about Puntland's Situational Irony again, saaxib. Waxa la yedhi dagaal baa hada Galgala ka socda, ma run ba? Mese waa war games?

 

Adeer waxa lagoo qaatay adigo Situational Irony-ga iska daaya o sida Faroole 'tolaaaye' iska tidhaahda, taasa ragnimo..ma fahmino?

[xiinfaniin]

^^salaan ngonge, waa marke hore e

 

marka labaad, ragga waaweyn waxaa lagu gartaa calaamatu cumri ah inay cuntada inta jilicsanka cunaan, hadalkana yareeyaan, oo nuxurkiisa ku gaabsadaan, and in thata spirit, maantoo dhan ma war baan wadaynaa ?

 

Galgala Hunguri ka waryaso , anigu warka internet ka ku qoran baan hayyaa, kaasina wuxuu leeyahay Faroole baa qabsaday , Atomna waa isaga huleelay

[Ibtisam]

Xiin, would you not say the real Irony is the fact that a foreign funded and formed intelligence unit acts as the military and not only do they data gather (intelligence) but then they also decide how to execute accordingly?