Puntland’s Situational Irony

[xiinfaniin]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

^^Not so fast, adeer. If I criticise Faroole I criticise his leadership style and not his person (for all I know he is a very nice chap). You want to reform the PIS whilst others want to defeat Al Shabab but I am saying to you (and I have good reason to do so) that the buck stops with the man in charge. If things are going wrong they do so because he is not doing his job properly. If I were a Puntlander you would easily see and accept my argument but since you specialise in tackling side issues (like the PIS or alleged Al Shabab movements) I fully understand why you refuse to see the obvious here. Saaxib aniga iga maqaal, Faroole wixiisu Karavan maaha, war xita awor kaliya maaha. Ka joog ban ku edhi.

It’s not only I who wants to reform the PIS, so does Faroole and he has been correct to do so…I want him to do even more. It’s those who stayed too long on the hump of exile and fed the nonsense that espouses every thing about Puntland is great that cry the loudest against the reform. You are neither her nor there as it were when your whole argument evolves around superficial analysis of Faroole’s style of leadership. For a leader to fail, he has to commit a blunder of sort or take an irreversible policy decision and nothing of that sort has happened yet with Faroole. I explained to you on even his weakest area which is SSC the lyrics are better than music and his political stance has forced a dialogue and bared the truth of the underlying issues in that region. On Galgala I told you, if you have the ears to receive the wisdom, that it’s nothing close to what the news portals made it out to be. Most know that it’s even an old issue that Faroole inherited from previous admin.

 

The PIS is ongoing discussion, and talking about it does not make Puntland weak

 

PS: Sayid adeer waan ku jecelnahaye doc ka yeer ha noqone ama dooda si quman uga soo qayb gal, ama sidii ardaygii culumada dhegeyso.

 

That the apprentice is repeating the gaffes he heard from previous sessions does not make him right or validate his opinion. And in this instance, the Guru is like the great fraud who uttered a universal truth . And we took it awoowe with a prior knowledge of it.

[Peace Action]

That is where you are mistaken, it answers to Faroole and Puntland state and it can not take action without prior approval. Where is your proof that it takes orders from CIA that is contrary to the interest of the state.

[NGONGE]

^^ So there are no problems and everything is under control miya?

 

Just one last question (as Culumbo would say): why did you start a thread about PL's situational irony again?

[SayidSomal]

^good luck with getting straight answer.

 

 

Habeen Wanaagsan one and all.

[NGONGE]

^^ Defensive posture ayuu waligee ku jirayaa.

 

** Dig mode on **

Our boys from SL criticised Riyaale (you saw it with Norf, the guru and even Xaaji X) yet it did not mean they were opposed to SL. Now others will criticise Siilaanyo (I expect Jacaylbaro to be the first) it still does not mean he's putting down SL or opposing it. Marka, Xiinow, demoqradyada naga baro saaxib oo Faroole khaladkiisa sheeg adoon ka biqin in la yidhaahdo 'ninkii reerko ka hor jiida'.

 

** Dig mode off **

[xiinfaniin]

Yours, ya NGONGE, is lame. You have been watching me all day articulating what my calls are about and now you come back paraphrasing poor Sayid silly questions

 

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ngonge adeer sal fudaydkii baa la timid, waxa laga hadlayo adoon aad u fahmin baad xoogaagii la shir timid, haddaan kuu sheegayna inaysan meesha qabana maadan yeelin ee waad isa sii maqiiqtay ...xal ma lihid.

[Peace Action]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

^^ Defensive posture ayuu waligee ku jirayaa.

 

** Dig mode on **

Our boys from SL criticised Riyaale (you saw it with Norf, the guru and even Xaaji X) yet it did not mean they were opposed to SL. Now others will criticise Siilaanyo (I expect Jacaylbaro to be the first) it still does not mean he's putting down SL or opposing it. Marka, Xiinow, demoqradyada naga baro saaxib oo Faroole khaladkiisa sheeg adoon ka biqin in la yidhaahdo 'ninkii reerko ka hor jiida'.

 

** Dig mode off **

You have become too partisan. War nagadaa xayeysiiska raqiiska ah.

[Liibaan]

Fool Faroole now the mayor of Garowe is worse than a thug,

 

The of problem is not PIS, the problem is Faroole, blaming PIS and Not the Chief Pirate Officer, is like blaming CIA and American troops and NOT Bush

 

Some people want to make excuses for War Criminals like Siilaanyo and Faroole

[NASSIR]

I & xiin concur on many points as I did explain before in one of my comments (re-posted below). Ngonge has raised great points and one can glean from his criticism of Faroole's inept leadership nothing but fair evaluation of his administration as many would agree with him.

 

Btw, Farole vowed to deploy anything at his disposal to defeat Atam. It's NOT only the weak PIS. As a matter of fact, there are reliable reports indicating the shipment of two full planeloads of weapons and ammunition to Garowe for the invasion of Galgala. Many from the region such as Elders and politicians are wary of the possibility that should the first bullet is fired, it might develop into a full scale civil/ethnic war.

 

 

 

Originally posted by Nassir:

I fully concur with you on PIS now rechristened as PIA--a shrewd move to reassure its American/western backers and financiers that reform in its techniques, methods and standard procedures for balanced representation and service has been put in place.

 

The rise of the public against this independent apparatus reflects poorly on the leadership of PL which are now seen as "puppets" of western and regional intervention as far as restricting people's liberty to worship, work, live or seek refuge is concerned..

 

I do think any reform would be inchoate and the underlying social problems won't go away that fast. The notorious PIS and its regime is derided all over Puntland. It is corrupt, weak and ruthless in its methods of hunting down terror suspects.

 

 

What I really don't understand is what further benefit could be had from a clan-dominated, western-financed, security organization. Bosaaso had always been a peaceful and prosperous city. Once coined as the Boston of Somalia, this reputation has been under slippery slope.

 

Alas, Somalis are inherenly clannish and more foreign intervention in one dimension (like security) will make things worse rather than drain the swamp that spawns extremism.

[Thankful]

Originally posted by Nassir:

Many from the region such as Elders and politicians are wary of the possibility that should the first bullet is fired, it might develop into a full scale civil/ethnic war.

 

 

Bullets have already been fired and the people did not come running to this criminal Atam's defense. Because once he exposed his beliefs about Al Shabaab and his desire to bring another form of government, everyone remained quiet. There are many people from Eastern Sanaag that live in Bosasso who support the Puntland government, include Ilka-Jiir! If or should I say when Atam is attacked again, the people will support Puntland's government just like they did now. The problem is that he is hiding in a mountainous area that generates many difficulties in attacking.

[NASSIR]

Adeer, Atam said it at VOA/Somali that he is not affiliated with al-Shabab in any shape or form. Yours is politically motivated, thus the world won't heed to your desperate lies and call to ethnically cleanse a whole communities in Western Bari region.

 

Btw, no such thing as "Eastern Sanaag" and Bosaaso, of course, is one of the indigenous areas Makhiris call home. From the Airport area upto the New Bosaaso to Laag are native territories of Maakhir.

[Thankful]

What Atam said on VOA was damage control, because the day before he called Al Shabaab his brothers and that "they are us, and we are them." He had TFG ministers and other people defending him, but after he aligns himself with Al Shabaab he lost their support so he back tracked. Stop trying to erase that interview from people’s memory. It was clearly his voice. Right now people are being arrested in the U.S for supporting that terrorist group, they can't back track from their actions and words, and neither can Mr. Atam no matter how many interviews they do. What he said was clear and he can go on 1000 websites and try and say something different, it's too late.

 

If there is no such thing as Eastern Sanaag, then you tell Ilka-Jiir to go to Erigavo (the city he was born in) and tell me what happens. When he came back to Puntland from the U.S he stayed in the eastern part of Sanaag to campaign, he never went to other areas in Sanaag! Maakhir borders were only in the Eastern Part of Sanaag as well!!! The eastern part of Sanaag is where most of the piracy in Sanaag occurs, attempted kidnappings, and the hijackers of the plane wanted the pilots too land.

[NASSIR]

If there is no such thing as Eastern Sanaag, then you tell Ilka-Jiir to go to Erigavo (the city he was born in) and tell me what happens.

This statement alone shows how bitter and desperate you sound. You are using one individual Gen. Ilka-jir as a benchmark to measure who lives or settles where. In other words, you are clutching at straws by mimicking the tired, hackneyed phrases of the secessionists. If the source of your bitterness revolves around the myth and ad hominem argument of Erigavo as always serenaded by our seperatist brothers, then I am afraid it's pointless to further engage with you in any meaningful discussion.

 

I know at times myths influence the laymen into a frenzied state of mind as it goes "Makhiris migrated their homeland of Erigavo only to establish themselves in Bari region and that they are here to overtake us soon unless we force them back to their origin". I'm sure many misinformed individuals or the reasonable masses would fall for such malice and therefore throw caution to the wind. Would they, however, believe if one tries to apply breaks and thrusts upon them facts on the ground that Makhiris don't set the political agenda in Ceerigaabo in a way that is exclusive of other communities whom they share lands and a common history eventhough they happen to be the predominant residents of Erigavo as they own most businesses and hold important responsibilities that maintain or improve the security and the natural progress of the city?

 

 

As to the issue of Atam's alleged affiliation with al-Shabaab vs. Farole's grand ambition to invade Galgala and sell parts of Maakhiri Territory to foreign companies, is neither you nor me to stop. The people in that region would decide for themselves what is at stake: their common interest to live together in peace and harmony. The political ambitions of Faroole should not outweigh any consideration for rational introspection or common sense.

 

Mr. Atam was not al-shabab when he faught Ade Muse over the mineral rights granted to Range Resources. Over 20 people died in that conflict. Atam was a clan- militia leader at that time up against another "warlord". What has changed this time? Will this terror-card now peddled by an alleged pirate chief turned president, Faroole, haunt his administration down or no big mess? Time will tell.

[ceelayohoyoo]

SSDF as the SNM have employeed various propaganda media land expansion tactics, Erigavo is as intergrated into Maakhir as is Galgala.

 

Was it not the SSDF Piraters who claimed Galgala was in Sanaag?

 

We will wait and see how hostile and who wages the offense since this is a call for war against Maakhir.

 

SSDF Pirate clans are shivering in their boots the entire diaspora, elders, militias of Maakhir are all aligned against this parasite known as Puntland. Its a matter of time when it becomes acceptable to fight and shed another clans blood in the name of their own.

 

And as I expected from the SSDF we've been granted as they're Pirate leader wants us out of our land.

 

Let the war start, as it is xalal for those to defend and wage offense against such.

 

ps: Eventhough Maakhir State has regressed- it seems the declaration of statehood on the base of clan fiefdom will be realized after we deal with this hostile.

[NASSIR]

^You are as radical as Peace-action and Thankful.

 

No one wins in war, only a son dies..