Puntland’s Situational Irony

[xiinfaniin]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

^^ A proper politician deals with such events BEFORE they take place, saaxib. Every single problem that Faroole faces today is something he could have foreseen and dealt with at the beginning. None of them are natural disasters or things out of his sphere of control. That the SSC discord took place, that the Galgala murmurings are taking place and that the pirates were running free all point to one thing, the incompetence of the admin.

 

Comparing him to his predecessors shows you the level and extent of his incompetence. PL was there for twelve years, PL was functioning fine (if not perfectly) so why is PL facing so many problems today (with many of those created by Faroole himself)? The buck stops with the self declared Imaam; duhurkiisa waa shan rakcado.

^^ @ duhurkiisu waa shan rakcado

 

You are equating challenges to failure, difference in management to incompetence. Pirates do not roam free in Puntland, your bias and inability to discern political point scoring from facts glaringly shows on in here awoowe. Faroole had slips, he occasionally misspoke, and at times reacts in a manner that does not bode well to a leader, but to say he failed is a mere opinion from a born again secessionist who has vested interest in Puntland’s failure .

 

At least be a man like me and show some respect for the elder stateman of the east

[Peace Action]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

Oodweyne has superbly put the truth of this matter in custody, indeed.

 

I trust Faroole’s overall philosophy and attitude toward governance, and hope his latest rhetoric is a strategy to consolidate this free lance security agency in a manner that does not raise suspicion on his motives.

I though you were smarter than this. He has been reading too much of Sol rumor mongers about PIS. It is not sub-sub clan, meaning Cadde's clan, entity just because Osman Diyaano is head of the it who was appointed by C/Y. It employes many different subclans and even there are Somali bantu's in it.

 

The reason C/Y decided to setup PIS to administer its payrol is what makes it quite effective and gives the solders high degree of morale because they are compensated and taken care of very well. Why would you want to cripple PIS by having a corrupt a minister run it and then the solders will not be paid.

 

I know you have beef with PIS activities earlier (illegal renditions etc) so do I. But now we have shabaab trying to establish a base and Faroole needs to confront this killing machine with all the resources available to him.

[General Duke]

^^^Nicely put, the soldiers in the agency are paid on time, while many sodiers in all corners of Somalia do not get any pay, thats why Sharif Hotel is running around naked.

 

No the PIS needs to be expanded and not derailed.Their programm is effective.

[xiinfaniin]

Brother Peace Action, with all due respect your suggestion is what the arabs called a-dhaaharatu najjaasah bi-najjaasah ...using PIS to defeat alshabaab , is just like that ninyahow...all i am saying is be a dawlah, haddaadan noqon karinna hadde dadka waqtiga haka qaadin ee qolo walbaa jawaasiisteeda ha yeesheen...very simple awoowe

[NGONGE]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

quote:Originally posted by NGONGE:

^^ A proper politician deals with such events BEFORE they take place, saaxib. Every single problem that Faroole faces today is something he could have foreseen and dealt with at the beginning. None of them are natural disasters or things out of his sphere of control. That the SSC discord took place, that the Galgala murmurings are taking place and that the pirates were running free all point to one thing, the incompetence of the admin.

 

Comparing him to his predecessors shows you the level and extent of his incompetence. PL was there for twelve years, PL was functioning fine (if not perfectly) so why is PL facing so many problems today (with many of those created by Faroole himself)? The buck stops with the self declared Imaam; duhurkiisa waa shan rakcado.

^^

@ duhurkiisu waa shan rakcado

 

You are equating challenges to failure, difference in management to incompetence. Pirates do not roam free in Puntland, your bias and inability to discern political point scoring from facts glaringly shows on in here awoowe. Faroole had slips, he occasionally misspoke, and at times reacts in a manner that does not bode well to a leader, but to say he failed is a mere opinion from a born again secessionist who has vested interest in Puntland’s failure

.

 

At least be a man like me and show some respect for the elder stateman of the east

Look, I can not rid you of your paranoia about my motives here and I am actually happy to accept all the accusations you lob my way. But even if I were the most clannish, most bitter and the biggest opponent of PL who wishes for its total destruction and annihilation, my argument here still stands and it is still closer to the truth than yours saaxib.

 

Faroole is in the same bracket as Bush, Zuma, Mugabe, Mubarak and Qadaafi. They are all incompetent politicians that create and attract problems to themselves and their administrations. Controversy follows every decision they make, every move they take and every statement they put out. PL's position being more precarious (because of the condition of Somalia) magnifies Faroole's faults a thousand times.

 

Rest assured that if Siilaanyo has as many problems and commits as many faux pas as Faroole I would be the first person to delight in ridiculing him and calling for his resignation. Siilaanyo and Faroole are mere men, they are not the entities they control, saaxib. Wax fahan.

[Samafal]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

 

Comparing him to his predecessors shows you the level and extent of his incompetence. PL was there for twelve years, PL was functioning fine (if not perfectly) so why is PL facing so many problems today (with many of those created by Faroole himself)? The buck stops with the self declared Imaam; duhurkiisa waa shan rakcado.

Tell me you don't know anything about Puntland politics, for you to utter those words. Puntland's darkest hour was the last months of Adde Muse's reign, when there were random assasinations in almost all the major towns in Puntland, when most of the commentators ruled its existence out. Inflation was on the roof and people could hadly feed their children and police and the soldiers were deserting for lack of payment. There came Faroole, who have returned the law and order, improved the security, dealt with counter-feit problem and paid all the goverment employees including the regular soldiers. He surrounded himself with young educated minsters and done away with the old currup men who thought they owned the place.

Now, that's is an achievement and for that he earned the respect and the support of the most of the Puntland people.

 

Galgala issue is a minor and it has got nothing to do with clans except for few individuals who see everything on clan goggles. SSC is another issue that's equally a headache to both Somaliland and Puntland and even more so to Somaliland than as it is to Puntland.

[Qandalawi]

NG, valid point from that angle old man

 

However, Faroole has scored few points on a different spectrum. You sometimes diplomacy and bribe does work but not all the time, he showed that Puntland will not withstand the protest of few or some regions that may or may not rebel. His dominion is self sufficient and the state marches on no matter who pulls out of the project. Trust me this move got a lot of people think about their strategy and have thus far developed a soft voice and a change of heart looking for sympathy, but the President is showing no remorse and evidence to that is the saking of MP's, and I mean MP's, how bold a move that is...

 

The state will not cripple for any naysayers...

[General Duke]

It seems some people are still deluding themselves. The structure of any government is based on its security foundation, The Somali dilemma has been one about the lack of security.

 

The PIS have proven beyond any doubt to be an effective security apparatus, who funds them and who is behind them is no issue. For the Alabama boy running around in south will not come willingly to Puntland, since he knows men with guns and his picture are in the state waiting.

 

Again, they should be expanded and become the core of the police and the army, for what can one do without intelligence?

[SayidSomal]

I hate to admit but the 'born again secessionist' aka Ngonge is right on the money here the save the exaggerated ‘complete utter failure of faroole’ - but everything else is true especially mesha ay saaladu iska xirmiwaytay with regard to the self declared imaan

 

it pains me to say it but Ngonge proved his theory that clan is everything. unfortunately that is also his downfall - i.e he is from the wrong clan here - hence why his take on this situation can not be taken seriously by the ones who are from the clan the situation befalls.

[Peace Action]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

Brother Peace Action, with all due respect your suggestion is what the arabs called

a-dhaaharatu najjaasah bi-najjaasah

...using PIS to defeat alshabaab

, is just like that ninyahow...all i am saying is be a dawlah, haddaadan noqon karinna hadde dadka waqtiga haka qaadin ee qolo walbaa jawaasiisteeda ha yeesheen...very simple awoowe

It seems you are not realistic and a bit naive. You want to dismantel PIS and then what?. Puntland has seen worse things before and this too will pass (IA) and Galgala will not become a safe haven for shabaab.

[xiinfaniin]

NGONGE, you are highlighting your ignorance and poor analysis on Puntland’s current affairs. If you don’t like Faroole’s style of management, you are not alone. But your deductions are at best premature. In avoidance of seeming to defend Faroole’s personality, and not his large policies and direction, I will let you make most out of your feeble analysis.

[NGONGE]

^^Not so fast, adeer. If I criticise Faroole I criticise his leadership style and not his person (for all I know he is a very nice chap). You want to reform the PIS whilst others want to defeat Al Shabab but I am saying to you (and I have good reason to do so) that the buck stops with the man in charge. If things are going wrong they do so because he is not doing his job properly. If I were a Puntlander you would easily see and accept my argument but since you specialise in tackling side issues (like the PIS or alleged Al Shabab movements) I fully understand why you refuse to see the obvious here. Saaxib aniga iga maqaal, Faroole wixiisu Karavan maaha, war xita awor kaliya maaha. Ka joog ban ku edhi.

[xiinfaniin]

Originally posted by Peace Action:

It seems you are not realistic and a bit naive. You want to dismantel PIS and then what?. Puntland has seen worse things before and this too will pass (IA) and Galgala will not become a safe haven for shabaab.

^^

 

PIS has the potential to be criminal enterprise, and it would be most sensible for the state to take steps to curtail its scope at the minimum. I can understand Faroole’s predicament, but your blind support is not warranted adeer. Puntland should have an army or Darwiish whatever you call it and not an armed militia that is loyal to foreign entity. It’s very simple proposition and for you to argue against it is quite baffling. The call for reform should not bother adeer unless you have a personal stake in the PIS enterprise.

[Peace Action]

Originally posted by Oodweyne:

Peace Action

,....

 

Tolaay iyo Tolaay, ma Xiinfaniin ayaa maanta Oodweyne wax kuraacay, miyey sheekaddi kaa gaadhay, yaa xaaji...

 

Well, if it's all the same to you, let me say that you ought to learned from

Dukey

, particularly as to how to

"circle-the-clannish-wagon"

in defence of the interest of the

"Tolka"

in here, indeed....

 

Since, his way is to repeat himself, like a broken record; and therefore, every one else would be compel to head to the door from any discussion that he is involve in, indeed.

 

But, yours, as they say, it still bit stale around the edges, indeed,

my friend

...

It is the kettle calling the pot black, you are first in secessionst clanish-circle the wagon and when it comes to tol 'la'ay, it is has become your motto and what motivates you to try to secede from your nation.

[SayidSomal]

Xiinfaniinow - Ngonge has your number here.

 

In hindsight don’t you wish you engaged with my Socratic irony for which you would have come to the same conclusion as almost everyone here - which is to say they all agree to agree whilst stating that all disagree – because of difference in clan? Also when did the guru become right and the apprentice became the one with ulterior motives against puntland - for merely stating the bleeding obvious?