Puntland’s Situational Irony

[xiinfaniin]

Puntland’s Situational Irony

 

Abdurahman Faroole, Puntland’s leader, has declared war on alshabaab. This came after the Galgala clashes where a militia commander by the name of Atom fought with PIS forces.

Faroole’s frustration with an armed militia so close to Puntland’s largest, and commercial center, Boosaaso is understandable. The fact Atom and his militia have shabaabi leaning is also a major concern for Faroole given the fact that alshabaab has gained control over large areas in the south, and continue to spearhead the war against the transitional government. Many people object alshabaab primarily because of their agenda, which suggest that they have ambitions beyond Somalia. They are connected to outside organizations that are clearly in global fight against current western powers, alshabaab oponents argue. The reason alshabaab does not heed calls of dialogue and refuse to enter negotiation with their opponents, they say, is because alshabaab alone cannot alter the direction of the fight in Somalia. Organizations such as Usaam’s Alqaida have a say in what alshabaab does, hence alshabaab is beholden to a global agenda that transcends current tussle in Mogadishu. Faroole more or less indicted alshabaab on similar basis and many including this author readily agree with him on this.

 

The problem with Faroole however is the fact that the Puntland he leads tolerates the presence of foreign backed armed militia. It tolerates PIS. PIS as widely acknowledged have been fathered by Bush’s war on terror. It is an entity that is funded, trained and supervised by foreign entities. It gets its orders directly from foreign entities. If alshabaab are remote controlled from Afghan mountains, PIS are managed by western intelligence agencies. Why would Faroole then cry about alshabaab, which I totally understand the threat they pose to the stability of Somalia, and yet cave in (or worse adopt to be in cahoots with) to the menace that is PIS?

 

I understand Faroole attempted to reform this entity but as the Galgala conflict makes clear his attempt could be described as a half measure that fell short of taking full control of Puntland’s intelligence work.

 

And that is irony indeed. To address it, PIS shall be done away with .

[SayidSomal]

define irony

 

and do you know of socratic irony?

[xiinfaniin]

'define irony' is sadly Sayid's contribution in this thread

[SayidSomal]

for me to contribute effectively - wouldn't it be better for me to see your understanding of irony in this situation??

[xiinfaniin]

Sayid = shaqo-la'aan.com.

 

muxuu yiri:

 

mar baad arag markhuun boqol jiroo, mayrasha aqoone

marna toban jir mawlaca kitaab meeriyaad araga'e

[Che -Guevara]

You know Xiin, you could have just given him definition and see where he goes with it?

[xiinfaniin]

^^Why would I do that when I know Sayid is Sayid

[NASSIR]

Xiin, good analysis, but you forget to add the Las Anod issue. It's indeed PL's situational irony.

[Peace Action]

Xiin,

The original fight at Karin happened because Atam send 50 men to attack Karin where there were 10 solders manning a checkpoint. PIS was nowhere near Karin in the original fight, but they came quickly as reinforcement and helped defeat the aggressors.

 

Let us be realistic, PIS's mandate is to fight terror and with shabaab getting a base in Galgala, Faroole will be foolish to dismantel the most effective counter terrorism unit in Somalia.

 

The TFG gets support from foreigners and has foreign troops in Mogadishu. Likewise Somaliland gets similar support from foreigners. Yemen, Eygpt and many other countries get support to fight terrorism.

[General Duke]

I think the self flagellation must stop. The PIS gets support from the US government which many of us call home. Al Shabaab gets support from a network with its HQ in a cave and one that can not offer a single Somali an assalym.

 

There is no comparison and this group should be expanded to defend the interest of the state..

 

Once Al Shabaab is gone, then lets change things, but for now, the PIS are defending the state.

[Thankful]

Originally posted by General Duke:

I think the self flagellation must stop. The PIS gets support from the US government which many of us call home. Al Shabaab gets support from a network with its HQ in a cave and one that can not offer a single Somali an assalym.

 

There is no comparison and this group should be expanded to defend the interest of the state..

 

Once Al Shabaab is gone, then lets change things, but for now, the PIS are defending the state.

Exactly! People want to address a security service before we address the criminals that the security services are fighting. There is no way Faroole can even address the PIS when he has to deal with an armed group hiding in the mountains. Mr. Atam called Al Shabaab his brothers, and that "we are them and they are us", Al Shabaab admits to caring out suicide bombings and other targeted attacks. Yet people want to focus on the security services because they get funding from the U.S??? The U.S gives more foreign aid then any other country in the world. It has given safe haven to approx 150,000 of us! So now there is a problem that they are helping the PIS?

 

It's as if whatever government or security agency is formed we will have people that will attack it. They will criticize it more then they do terrorist organizations.

 

Focus on Mr. Atam in the mountains then we will focus on the P.I.S! If we start changing them before Atam is dealt with, we will be vulnerable to attack.

 

Which I suspect some here want!

[Koora-Tuunshe]

Karin ciidamada la geeyey Karin waa kuwii PIS ta. Waxaad ka garanaysaa raga ku dhintey oo ay ugu caansanyihiin.... Sheekhaal, Axmed saleebaan, iyo Qodhobo oo kasoo jeeda(Maakhir).

 

Shabaab waa caqabad taana waa hubaa. Laakiin Cadeyn ma jirto oo sheegeysa in ay Shabaab joogaan Buurta. Laakiin waxaa hubaal ah in PIS tu ay yihiin cadowga koowaad ee Puntland. Burburkana ay iyaga ugu horeeyeen.

[General Duke]

Its a simple fact that Osman Diano when he was sacked, left without much fuss. Attam wants to destroy Puntland. There is a stark difference.

 

The PIS, even in its name is a Puntland entity. The group in Galgala is Al Shabaab/ or pretenders, but all the same.

 

The fact here is simple, Somali's are afaraid of criminals, they complain about Al Shabaab, but then will demonstrate against building a jail or putting criminals to the sword.

 

One can not have it both ways.

[Burn Notice]

Puntland’s Situational Irony

 

Abdurahman Faroole, Puntland’s leader, has declared war on alshabaab. This came after the Galgala clashes where a militia commander by the name of Atom fought with PIS forces.

Faroole’s frustration with an armed militia so close to Puntland’s largest, and commercial center, Boosaaso is understandable. The fact Atom and his militia have shabaabi leaning is also a major concern for Faroole given the fact that alshabaab has gained control over large areas in the south, and continue to spearhead the war against the transitional government. Many people object alshabaab primarily because of their agenda, which suggest that they have ambitions beyond Somalia. They are connected to outside organizations that are clearly in global fight against current western powers, alshabaab oponents argue. The reason alshabaab does not heed calls of dialogue and refuse to enter negotiation with their opponents, they say, is because alshabaab alone cannot alter the direction of the fight in Somalia. Organizations such as Usaam’s Alqaida have a say in what alshabaab does, hence alshabaab is beholden to a global agenda that transcends current tussle in Mogadishu. Faroole more or less indicted alshabaab on similar basis and many including this author readily agree with him on this.

 

The problem with Faroole however is the fact that the Puntland he leads tolerates the presence of foreign backed armed militia. It tolerates PIS. PIS as widely acknowledged have been fathered by Bush’s war on terror. It is an entity that is funded, trained and supervised by foreign entities. It gets its orders directly from foreign entities. If alshabaab are remote controlled from Afghan mountains, PIS are managed by western intelligence agencies. Why would Faroole then cry about alshabaab, which I totally understand the threat they pose to the stability of Somalia, and yet cave in (or worse adopt to be in cahoots with) to the menace that is PIS?

 

I understand Faroole attempted to reform this entity but as the Galgala conflict makes clear his attempt could be described as a half measure that fell short of taking full control of Puntland’s intelligence work.

 

And that is irony indeed. To address it, PIS shall be done away with .

 

 

I doubt you would be calling for it to be disbanded if you lived in these areas...so easy for you guys living in your comfy western socities

[Libaax-Sankataabte]

Originally posted by Peace Action:

Let us be realistic, PIS's mandate is to fight terror and with shabaab getting a base in Galgala, Faroole will be foolish to dismantel the most effective counter terrorism unit in Somalia.

Peace, Awoowe how did "Al-shabaab" which the PIS is against, get a base in Galgala in the first place, if the PIS is "the most effective" security organization as you put it?