2 MoUs signed in Xamar: Turkey for seas & US for military bases

[Arafaat]

Subxanallah, this agreement is as hasty and doubtful as the Somaliland-Ethiopia agreement. Instead of hastily selling your Crown Jewels, why not sit down with Somaliland and see if there is a way to come to agreement without selling your main potential assets, which are you see and coastal resources at the cheap. 

 

[Che -Guevara]

HSM can barely hold the South together and Muse dismantled everything with his arrogance and lust for power.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

6 minutes ago, Arafaat said:

Subxanallah, this agreement is as hasty and doubtful as the Somaliland-Ethiopia agreement. Instead of hastily selling your Crown Jewels, why not sit down with Somaliland and see if there is a way to come to agreement without selling your main potential assets, which are you see and coastal resources at the cheap. 

 

Xasan was the softest madaxweyne secessionists had faced. Xasan really didn't care, Muuse wuu kool koolin jiray. Case in point, not lifting a finger about xasuuqii Laascaanood ee sanadkii hore iyo ka aamusnaanta.

Muuse jiljileeca Xasan kibir ayuu ka sii qaaday. Muuse qof macquul lala hadlo ma'aha. Reerkiisaba dhexdooda wadahal lama gali jirin, dagaaladooda sokeeye ka mid ahaa ("anoo wax dili karo...).

Intuu Muuse marqaaniste joogo meesha wadahadal waxba ma soo kordhineyso. Plus Reer Khaatumo are gone, Reer Awdal are on the verge of going. Muuse marfishkiisa maxaa lala hadlaa hadduuba awood lahayn. This is not 2014.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

5 hours ago, Illyria said:

More importantly, and in practicality, from Marka to Ras Kamboni (SW/JL), from Garacad to Las Qoray (PL), and from Xiis to Zaylac (SL) fall beyond the purview of the Federal government, under SW, JL, PL, and SL administrations, two of which are not even on good terms; how is Turkiye going to operate in those waters without their involvement and agreement?

Agreed.

Meel dunida ka jirto baddeeda xukumaan maamul goboleed kama jirto. Maamul goboleedyadaas Soomaaliya ka tirsanyihiin. Baddana dowlad dhexe u qaabilsan. Iswiserlaan ugu dhow confederation, xadkeeda dowlad dhexe ayaa maamusho.

It is not like maamul goboleedyada control badda now either. A little militia doomo yar wato xeebta agjoogo is not a navy.

In lala tashto haa waa qabaa, laakiin wax taas dhaafsiisan maya. Meesha confederation ma'aha.

[Che -Guevara]

If we only listened to the leaders of Hizbi Dhigil & Mirifle,  each Somali region would have achieved self governance while being loyal to the state. It would have been an imperfect system but one that could be improved.

SYL shut down any alternative system of governance.

Biixi complicated the situation even more. SSC would rather deal with Mogadishu and Garowe instead Hargeisa.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

1 hour ago, Arafaat said:

Subxanallah, this agreement is as hasty and doubtful as the Somaliland-Ethiopia agreement. Instead of hastily selling your Crown Jewels, why not sit down with Somaliland and see if there is a way to come to agreement without selling your main potential assets, which are you see and coastal resources at the cheap. 

 

that can never happen Somalia and Somaliland dont speak the same language hence there cant be any talks or undersanding since they dont understand each other edna adan few days ago said SL and somalia dont have the same language because Somalia has 7 other languages it speaks  while it shares with Somaliland just one of the seven languages Somalia speaks 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

1 hour ago, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:

Meel dunida ka jirto baddeeda xukumaan maamul goboleed kama jirto. Maamul goboleedyadaas Soomaaliya ka tirsanyihiin. Baddana dowlad dhexe u qaabilsan. Iswiserlaan ugu dhow confederation, xadkeeda dowlad dhexe ayaa maamusho.

It is not like maamul goboleedyada control badda now either. A little militia doomo yar wato xeebta agjoogo is not a navy.

In lala tashto haa waa qabaa, laakiin wax taas dhaafsiisan maya. Meesha confederation ma'aha.

 

Somalia sida dunida uma shaqaysa  hassan is the president on paper but he does not have more power then hirshabelle president and puntland president deni or Ahmed madoobe  if puntland cut ties with the bunker there is little that hassan can do other then hold talks he cant invade them if they dont honer this deal he signed with the turks i doubt the turks can have  30 percent of the revenue of the Puntland seas  , Somalia sida aduunyada uma shaqaysa its a country broken down to its very core runtu wataa cid cid kale aaminaysa na ma jirto 

[maakhiri1]

2 hours ago, Arafaat said:

Subxanallah, this agreement is as hasty and doubtful as the Somaliland-Ethiopia agreement. Instead of hastily selling your Crown Jewels, why not sit down with Somaliland and see if there is a way to come to agreement without selling your main potential assets, which are you see and coastal resources at the cheap. 

 

extremely rushed, majority Somalis are very excited, but i think in the long run, not much will come out

We can not outsource our issues, Somalis problems can not be fixed by other countries for them, they have to find solution for them internally

[galbeedi]

7 hours ago, Arafaat said:

why not sit down with Somaliland and see if there is a way to come to agreement without selling your main potential assets, which are you see and coastal resources at the cheap.

Yeah, Carafaat keeps beating a dead horse.

Biixi has made his mind. A military base and land for Ictiraaf is his slogan these days. There is nothing to negotiate.

In terms of selling resources for cheap that is debatable. As we speak, foreign nations are stealing our resources without permission including Vietnamese, Thailand and European nations, furthermore, both Puntland, Hargeisa regime and others sign deals which penny to the dollar. Puntland gets few millions a year and reliable people told us both during the regime of C/weli and C/laahi deni, the proceeds go to their banks.

If Turkiye extracts the resources that is being stolen by others and takes 30%, that is a good deal to me. Traditionally, Turkiye doesn't interfere the internal politics or who should be the president.

C/fataah Sisi is unreliable dictator which can't be trusted despite the danger of the challenges coming from Ethiopia which effects both his Nile water and the entrance of the Suez canal. Awalba Ethiopia biyaha ay cabayaan ayey Koontroolaysay hadana albaabki laga soo galayey Kanaalka, taasi waa direct national threat.

Carafaat, your uncle siilaanyo  had sold Bebera for 5 million dollars a year. That is the cheapest deal only a hungry clan would do.

The hope is after 10 years, the Somali navy will be capable of defending our sea. Now something must be done to stop this crazy pastor from Jimma.

 

 

 

 

 

[Illyria]

7 hours ago, Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar said:

Meel dunida ka jirto baddeeda xukumaan maamul goboleed kama jirto. Maamul goboleedyadaas Soomaaliya ka tirsanyihiin. Baddana dowlad dhexe u qaabilsan. Iswiserlaan ugu dhow confederation, xadkeeda dowlad dhexe ayaa maamusho.

It is not like maamul goboleedyada control badda now either. A little militia doomo yar wato xeebta agjoogo is not a navy.

In lala tashto haa waa qabaa, laakiin wax taas dhaafsiisan maya. Meesha confederation ma'aha.

That could only come to pass if and when there is an agreed upon government, with sound institutions, and with political leadership  entrusted with, and earned the confidence of their constituencies, yes, but not whilst the likes of the self-serving HSM advised by neophyte lasses barely out of their xafaayado, or tyrant wannabe Farmaajo counseled by rogue online agencies, are at the helm of this fragile nation. Till then, it is ground zero.

[Arafaat]

For a moment Somalia had the moral high ground on the discussions of sovereignty and Somaliland deal with Ethiopia. That was till it started acting as a ‘dilaal’ and started selling the very own sovereignty and resources under a murky deal. This will undermine both the international support it received, and also pave the way for other regional entities to start ‘dilaal ing’ primal coastal areas as well. 

[Che -Guevara]

Quick question folks,

There's a confusion. Is this defense pact an actual agreement or a framework for collaboration?

The Turks haven't put out any statements  yesterday or today.

[Tillamook]

33 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

Quick question folks,

There's a confusion. Is this defense pact an actual agreement or a framework for collaboration?

The Turks haven't put out any statements  yesterday or today.

Turks are waiting to see which way Somali public opinion on this “Kheyraadka” business will blow.  

I believe giving our national resources away on the pretext of defending us from a weak ass Abiy  is a bad deal.
 

 

[Che -Guevara]

30 minutes ago, Tillamook said:

Turks are waiting to see which way Somali public opinion on this “Kheyraadka” business will blow.  

I believe giving our national resources away on the pretext of defending us from a weak ass Abiy  is a bad deal.
 

 

It's! Even more so as there's no political settlement on the constitution and the very nature of Somali federalism.

 

[Che -Guevara]