Che -Guevara Posted June 23, 2005 War Aduun, rag big Mac iyo Burger king ka dhargay isku bootaynaya.....Here is an idea guys. How about if we get Suldanka n Sky to duke it out, n spare "the powerful' Sland army, and equally "fierce" pland army with its indepedent militias the trouble of going to unnecessary, meaningless war. Ppl neither Hargeysa nor Garowe owns Sool. If war is wat da I-d-i-o-ts in Garowe and Hargeysa want, let them fight in their lands, and spare the good people of Sool all this BS. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duufaan Posted June 23, 2005 This Suldaan is a controversial figure. He participated Carta confers and many times stated he supports great Somalia. He even lately said good things about Abdilaahe Yusuf. Majority of his tribe live ****** region and the rest Hargeysa area. His words does not weight that much. War is unlikely any soon. SSC people will not go war with Somaliland, because very soon Somaliland will disoriented itself. In otherhand Somaliland military capability is only good enough for defense purpose. If the money did not work, I do not think war will either work for Somaliland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wind.talker Posted June 23, 2005 Suldaanka & Sky - caga jugleynta SOL ka joojiya. Booto iyo af-ka-hadal baad meesha u joogtaan. FAALLO (Jawaab laga bixiye hadalkii ka soo baxay Suldaanka Reer Somaliland) Faallo(Radiossc.com):- Haddii allaha awoodda lihii ogolaado Qormadeenan Maanta waxaynu si xeel dheer ugu jeexjeexi doona ummuuro maalmahan dambe si aad ah isaga soo daba dhacayey, kuwaasi oo ahaa hadallo ay is dhaaf sanayeen Salaaddiinta ka soo jeedaa Maamulka Soomaliland iyo Salaaddiinta gobollada Sool Sanaag Iyo Cayn oo iyagu si hufan uga xarraga qaatay dheeshii labadan kooxood u dhexeysay….. Nin baa laga hayaa ‘Markii wax la ii sheegaan wax gartaaye!!’ waxaa jirtey warqad sir ahayd oo ay diyaariyeen Rag ay ka mid ahaayeen alla ha u naxariiste Cabdiraxmaan Tuur, hadaladii ku qornaa waxaa ka mid ahaa: ‘Beesha Sool waa inaynu si siyaasad ah u dhex galnaa, markaynu gacanta ku dhignana waa inaynu gacan bir ah ku haynaa, weligoodna aynu madaxa kaga taagnaana!!, maalinta ay inoo gaadhana waa inaynu ka Aarsan doonaa!!’…. Biya dhaca arrinkan waynu u soo laaban doonaayee, waxaa kaloo jirey isla qaar ka mid ah Ragga ka soo jeedda Maamulka Hargeysa, hada uma jeeddo Reer Boorame, waxaa dhacday habeen ay faqayeen, burkana aysan bahal ka filaynin, waxay talo ku goosteen, ‘Reerkaasi Sool waa inaynu u fullinaa boqol danood oo ay inaga leeyihiin, si aynu uga gaadhno danta aynu ka leenahay!!!’….. Akhristow adigoo taasi la socda, misana maanta waxa ka dhacaya Duulleedka Laascaanood aragtay amaba maqashaye, Gari ilaahay bay taqaane, hadal noocee ah ayaa kaaga furan, hadii nin gurigaaga ku soo duullo, ciidankiisina uu dhex joogo oo kuna yidhaahdo aynu wada hadalno? !!! Sow jawaabtiisu ma aha hadaad doonaysid inaynu wada hadalno marka hore gurigayga ka bax? Mise intaad baqdid baad odhan haye waxba kama qabo, oo xoolana waad u loogi?!!!.... Ninbaa laga hayaa ‘Waar salaaddu halkay ka xidhmi la’dahaye!!’, Salaadiinta SNM iyo salaadiinta Puntland halkee bay iska fahmi la’ yihiin? Halkee bayse wax ka khaldan yihiin? Labadan kooxood qoladee ayaa dowga saxa ah ku taagan? Mida kale Suldaan ciidankiisi ka dhex dhawaaqay, isagoon cidna soo war gelinin, wuxuu u socda aan sii sheegay, muxuu mudankiisu yahay? Ninba habar baa habeen dihatayoo, waa halyeey tidhi, waanayba hubsane, Sow ma ahaa halkuu Garaad Saleebaan iska taagay, isagoo ku hadlaya afkii Madax dhaqameedyada Sool Sanaag Iyo Cayn iyo weliba magaca Beesha Sool ee dibad iyo gudahaba joogta?!!!... Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan Cabdiqaadir waxaa jirey waraysi uu ka qaaday Wargeyska Jamhuuriya, hadaba intaynaan faaqidaadiisa gelin, waxaa jirtey Suldaan Maxamedow Beeshaada Reer Togdheer, Somaliland waa lagu sanduulleyey, dagaalkii idin dhex marayna, waa tii la ogaa in aad is dhiibteene, idinkoo abqana, oo la idinka awood bataye, ma Reer Sool ayaad sidiinna moodeen? !! Suldaanoow Sandulle Ayaad ku Amar qaadatey. Reer Togdheer waa lagu khasbay Somaliland, Ninkii naga Tamar Roon Yuu noo tudhin, waadigii lahaa wax baanu khasbaynaa!!! Ee taariikhda dib u milicso… Sidoo kale Suldaankani wuxuu ahaa suldaankii soo jeediyey inay beesha SNM yeelato shirweyne ay isugu yimaadaan, isagoo uga dan lahaa inta dulsaarka ku ah waxay ka yeelli lahaayeen, arrinkaasi oo ay isla ogaayeen Boqor Raabbi, intuu kaga baxay ayaa isla maalin ka dibna, Ina Rayaale xabsiga u dhaadhicyey Boqor Raabbi, Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan Cabdiqaadirna afkiisa xidhay, suuqa Hargeysana iska dhex Tamashleeyey!!!!….. Hadaba saaxiibayaal nin baa laga hayaa ‘Ma anigaa waallan mise cadan baa laga heesayaaye!!’, waxaa la yaqaanay ab ka ab salaadiin nabad ka talisee, goormay isu bedelleen jabhadayska? Goormay isu bedelleen inay talo dhanka nabada mooyee, ay ka baadhaan dhanka xoog wax ku muuqiniska?!!!, Suldaan Maxamedoow adeer dagaal wiil kuma dhashee wiil baa ku dhintee, sowdiga og in maxaabiis fara badan la idinka hayo? Sowdiga og maanta itaalkiinnu siduu yahay? Sowdiga og in aanu idin ku soo duullin, idinkuse aad duullaan, dhulballaadhsi iyo colaad gaamurtey idin wado…. Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan Cabdiqaadiroow markaad leedahay Maalinta xoog lagu galayo Laascaanood ha la ii yeedho, talana aad xoog ha lagu qabsado aad miciin bidaye, horta carabtu waxay ku maahmaahdaa ‘Weel waliba inta ku jirta ayuu dhididaa’, waxaan uga jeedda horta waxaad maanta qarxisay Sirtii ay xambaarsanayd warqadii ay qoreen Marxuun Cabdiraxmaan Tuur iyo intii hawsha la waday…. Waxaanuse idiin sheegaynaa Tab Hayoow Lagaa Tab Hayee, maanta in aanu soo jeedno isku duubanahay gudo iyo dibadba, waxaanu idiin sheegaynaa weli inaanu waxyaabo badan xeerinayno, sida daris wanaagii, idin koo og dhulkaad maanta dhex joogtaan, waxaanuse idiin ka ballan qaadaynaa in aanu casharo idiin dhigno!!!.... Gunaanadkii waxaan midh odhanayaa dadka u ehelka dhulkan Soomaaliland maleeshiyadiisu dhex joogto, midhna waxaan odhan Soomaaliland, Horta Beesha Sool waxaan leeyahay maanta wada hadal inooma furna, xabad caaradeed mooyee, Soomaalilandna waxaan leeyahay Jawaabtii Garaad Saleebaan oo si kale u laba dhacaysa fillo!!!!.. SOURCE: RadioSCC.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sky Posted June 23, 2005 Dadka qaarkood waa lagu naxa! Is it pleasure that some ppl get out of accusing others of supporting war? All I see between Suldaaanka and I was a friendly discussion of "what would/could happen if war would take place?" I know of myself that I didnt root for war ever and not ever in my life. I suggest one of you Che Guevara/ wind.talker to show where it was clear in my post that I'm wishing for war. If not, than I suggest you should take your nacnac elsewhere and introduce yourselves into the Women Section. Jumatatu dont you ever get tired of yourself? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted June 23, 2005 Odayga maxuu yidhi? Ujeedada ma Siyaad Barre wuu naga qaldanaa inuu dagaal nagu qaado markaan la socon waynay, laakiin kuwaane way ku haboontahay inaan dagaal ku qaadno hadayna nala socon waayeen? If one hasn't seen a more pronounced case of hypocrisy I say! Hhm, another excuse for "Somaliland" out the window! Soomaali hadaynu nahay, qolobo deegaankeeda ayagaa iska leh. Old English queen baa tidhi iyo xuduudeena weeye iyo waxaan shaqeeynayn meesha kama jirto. For Somaliland or any other entity to "invade" the deegaans of peaceful people in the hopes of regional hegemony is an act against the Somali people as a whole! P.S. In my opinion Puntland has nothing to do with this anyways. I do not see "Puntland" (pertaining to the autonomous state) as showing agression to the peoples of the land. All I see is "Somaliland" (alluding even to their clans!) as flexing muscle and wishing to acquire more land under the theory of banding up together the mythical [historically questionable] border of some land subservient to a fat European queen who had probably never even dreamed it existed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Suldaanka Posted June 23, 2005 ^^Talk about the massacre at Eel-wak and invading peaceful peoples. :confused: Sky u sheeg As for Gen. Duke My pal, geographically speaking the region is no doubt part and parcel of Somaliland. You can present it to any intellectual that is free of clanish bigotry. Even Ali Galaydh has admitted that the land is part of Somaliland. That being said, if you are claiming that the bulk of the locals are in supportive of puntland, then you are wrong. In actual fact, there are more people who support Somaliland then Puntland. There are also a sizeable number (the majority I think) who support neither Somaliland nor Puntland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Duufaan Posted June 23, 2005 Both the suldaan and somaliland is confusing. No excuse needed the withdraw their forces. Waraysi Suldaan Maxamed C/Qadir Qaybtii Labaad Su’aal: Sidee baad u atagtaa in lagaga gaadhi karo arrinta Gobolka Sool, oo ah mid baaxad weyn leh oo murankeedu muddo dheer taagan yahay? Jawaab: Horta Soomaalidu dhaqan bay leedahay, haddii aynu soo qaadano arrinta Gobolka Sool, Somaliland way ogtahay beesha *********** waa lagu gefay, oo wax ay xaq u leeyihiin ayaa laga duudsiyey. Garaad Cabdiqani nin (Xaabsade) la yidhaahdo buu watay Guddoomiyaha Golaja Wakiillada in laga dhigo, laakiin, Madaxweynihii hore [Marxuum Cigaal] iyo Guddoomiyihii Golaha Guurtida ee geeriyooday Marxuum Sh. Ibraahim Sh. Yuusuf Sh. Madar, iyagu Qaybe ayey keeneen oo laga dhigay Guddoomiyaha Baarlamanka, halka Garaad Cabdiqani iyo madaxda dawladdu iskaga dhacday taas ayey ahayd. Markaa arrinta *********** maba ay fogeyn, laakiin, waxa ay ahayd in arrinta marka hore qalloocatay in ay xukuumaddu raalligelin ka bixiso. *********** marka aad eegto maanta waa Somaliland mana rabo Puntland, khaladka laga galay beesha dhan in joojiyo ayey u baahan tahay, waxana lagu sixi karaa Garaad Cabdiqani waa Garaadkii Garaadada ee xukuumaddu si ofishal (official) ah ha ugu yeedho, oo la ha hadasho, isaga ayaa markaa beeshiisu wixii rabitaankeedu yahay iyo waxa ay doonayso jihayn kara. Midda kale, waxa weeye marka aad mar wax isku daydo oo mar saddexaad aad isku daydo waxa aad kaga noqotaa waa ceeb uun, laakiin, waxa la isku dayaa waxa weeye tallaabo aanad hore u qaadin oo xal keeni karta. Tusaale ahaan; marka la leeyahay Somaliland dagaal gobollada bari isu diyaariso anigu ma qabo taas, anigu dagaal waxa aan u arkaa Cabdillaahi Yuusuf [Madaxweynaha dalwadda Mbeghati] ka uu innagu soo wado sidii aynu gaashaaman lahayn loo tabaabulshaysto. Cabdillaahi Yuusuf ma aha nin kuu fadhiyaya, sida uu shalay ciidanka kamaandowsta ah u geliyey Beledweyne ayuu tana [Hargeysa] kuugu iman doonaa. S: Suldaan, hadalkaaga waxa xagga hore kaga jirtay in xoog la isticmaalo, si xal looga gaadho arrinta Gobolka Sool, bal noo sharrax arrintaas? J: Anigu waxa aan leeyahay cid kama haysato ummaddii Soomaaliyeed ee burburtay, markaa waxa loo baahan yahay in ay samaystaan xulfi. Laascaanood halka laga leeyahay dagaal baa socda anigu meel kale ayaan qabaa dagaal haddii la gelayo anigu waxa aan ballanqaadayaa in aan askar Somaliland ahi inagaga dhiman, nin siyaasi ah aanu arrinkeeda ka hadal, aniga mission ha la igu siiyo ayaan idhi. Boosaaso aniga oo Suldaan Maxamed ah keligay sida aan u gelayo aniga ayaa aqaan. S: Dhaqaan ahaan Sulaadiintu waxa ay ka shaqeeyaan nabadaynta, adiguna waxa aad leedahay dagaal baan cid ku qaadayaa, sidee arrimahaasi isu qabanayaan? J: Dee, nabaddu dagaalkana way ku timaaddaa. Waxa la yidhi; haddii aad nabad doonayso dagaal u diyaargarow, Suldaankuna ma aha nin nabadeed marka colaad lagula rabo, lagugu soo qaadayo waa nabadee baad odhanaysaa oo khaladka ayaa u saxnaanaya. Markaa waa laga tallaabsanayaa, laakiin in aad nin nabad gunti kara tahay marka aad doonayso in dadku kuu arkaan, dee waa in aad noqotaa nin colaada wax ka tara. Dhammaad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted June 23, 2005 Suldanka, I disagree with you on this. I never belived the decades of British colonial rule have more importance than the other mellinia of history that we have had. The people of SSC and Puntland and Awdal and Toghdeer have been part of Somalia 45 years...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SOO MAAL Posted June 23, 2005 It is very sad that Somaliland Administration chooses war over peace and decided takeover SSC regions by force. People of SSC regions are against the secession of the clan state of Somaliland and opted to stay with united Somalia. Most recently the traditional leaders of SSC regions jointly made it very clear that the Somaliland administration don’t want peace, because the Clan State of Somaliland offering to the people of SSC regions either you should give up your land SSC regions without armed conflict or Somaliland will take SSC regions through war. And that is an offer that the people of SSC regions cannot accept. I don’t know what Somaliland will gain a war against SSC regions, well Somaliland militia might destroy SSC cities and spill blood but I am confident that at end the inhabitants of SSC will WIN, and they will defeat the invading militia of Somaliland. Although certainly the Puntland army will be more than enough to defend SSC regions against invading militia of Somaliland, but the independent forces of SSC regions will defend their land against the aggressors, It is fact unfortunately that all Somali people are armed with all kinds of weapons, so when invading forces of Somaliland fires the first bullet, I am 100% sure that all able men of SSC will get united as never before and will stand to defend their land to death. Somaliland should know that SSC regions are not for negotiation, if they want they can make Burco or Hergeysa for negotiation. The only excuse that the clan state of Somaliland has is colonial border drew by British, it is impossible for people of SSC to accept the imaginary border, given that both the people of Garowe and Laascaanood don’t want border between them, then there is no reason for imaginary border. Somaliland administration has right to draw a border between laascaanood and Burco, between Hergeysa and Burco, or between Hergeysa and Berbera. In fact, SSC regions was the birthplace of first struggle for independence against European Colonialism and the first attempt to establish a Somaliweyn. SSC regions succeeded to abolish the imaginary border 45 years ago. By Duke “ SSC is for the clans who live there, they have chosen to stay with Somalia then no power will take that choice away from them†very true Jumatatu your comments are inaccurate! By Horn Afrique “Odayga maxuu yidhi? Ujeedada ma Siyaad Barre wuu naga qaldanaa inuu dagaal nagu qaado markaan la socon waynay, laakiin kuwaane way ku haboontahay inaan dagaal ku qaadno hadayna nala socon waayeen? If one hasn't seen a more pronounced case of hypocrisy I say!†you are right, Somaliland what a hypocrisy!!!! By Horn Afrique “another excuse for "Somaliland" out the window! Soomaali hadaynu nahay, qolobo deegaankeeda ayagaa iska leh. Old English queen baa tidhi iyo xuduudeena weeye iyo waxaan shaqeeynayn meesha kama jirto. For Somaliland or any other entity to "invade" the deegaans of peaceful people in the hopes of regional hegemony is an act against the Somali people as a whole!†Somaliland xaqdaro aye rabtaa Suldaan “Somaliland needs a battlehardened leadership for a successful less blood, solution to the problem. That however needs for us to topple this incompetent leadership, which is helping to divide Somaliland more then it is uniting. I am becoming sick of Dahir Rayaale these days. He is been a failure†you mean Somaliland need an extremist tribal president from I clan, who thinks like Suldaan Maxamed Suldaan Cabdulqaadir that war is the only option. Suldaan don’t make lies about Ali Khalif, Ali Khalif is a true Somali nationalist, one of the few respected Somali politicians, and an admirable Statesman. Ali is completely against Somaliland notion. Another lie “In actual fact, there are more people who support Somaliland then Puntland†last summer when I visited my hometown Laascaanood for the first time in 15 years, I realized that almost all people support Puntland, trust me, today there is no person lives in Laascaanood who supports Somaliland maybe few self-styled politicians from Sool in Hargeysa for money may support Somaliland. “There are also a sizeable number (the majority I think) who support neither Somaliland nor Puntland†not anymore true, maybe you talking about before 2002, when Riyaale escaped from obvious assassination, In fact now almost all people in SSC regions support Puntland, but still there is a small minority from SSC regions who support Somalia and against the both clan states of Somaliland, and Puntland. Although this minority of SSC regions don’t see themselves as Puntlanders but in reality they support Puntland and see Puntland as an ally against Somaliland's aggression on SSC regions. The clan state of Somaliland always wished anarchy and disorder for the rest of Somalia and was against every effort to establish a central government in Somalia, for that reason Somaliland worked vigorously the collapse of any agreement between Somali factions in every Somali peace conference. Therefore Somaliland shocks every time they realize a small prospect of peace and stability or small success in peace conference. Somaliland administration stood against the first government of Somalia led by president AbduQassim after the civil war, and more recently the government of Abdulaahi Yusuf, Somaliland attacked Puntland the same month that President Abdulaahi Yusuf was elected. Now Somaliland realized that Somalia with the new government will get more stable and peaceful that will weaken Somaliland’s case. Hence, Somaliland sees no hope in their recognition after 15 years, so Somaliland thinks a war is the only Anyway it is very sad news for people of SSC regions (like me), a renewed civil war in Somalia will not benefit no one, but only will produce more anarchy, the spill of blood, and destruction. Definitely the first casualty of Somalilands war to to secure obtain SSC regions by force will be Somaliland’s quest for recognition, the International community will realize that Somalia’s problem is nothing more than a clan wars, and the fact that the clan state of Somaliland doesn’t represent all former British colony and its only one clan, in addition the clan state of Somaliland is a hostile faction and doesn’t reserve recognition. Long Live Somalia Nabad Inshaa Allaah Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wind.talker Posted June 23, 2005 Originally posted by HornAfrique: Ujeedada ma Siyaad Barre wuu naga qaldanaa inuu dagaal nagu qaado markaan la socon waynay, laakiin kuwaane way ku haboontahay inaan dagaal ku qaadno hadayna nala socon waayeen? If one hasn't seen a more pronounced case of hypocrisy I say! Plus... Originally posted by SOO MAAL: given that both the people of Garowe and Laascaanood don’t want border between them, Need I say more? This elder contradicts himself: J: Anigu ma diidani, doorkan doorkii ka horreeyey waraysi la iga qaaday waxa aan idhi; ‘Meesha [Laascaanood] maalinta xoog lagu gelayo ha la ii yeedho.’ Compared to (also by Suldan Max’d Suldan Cabdiqadir): Originally posted by Duufaan: [QB] Tusaale ahaan; marka la leeyahay Somaliland dagaal gobollada bari isu diyaariso anigu ma qabo taas, Which one do you support old man? Worse still, this: Cabdillaahi Yuusuf ma aha nin kuu fadhiyaya, sida uu shalay ciidanka kamaandowsta ah u geliyey Beledweyne ayuu tana [Hargeysa] kuugu iman doonaa. What does Col Yeey have to do with this whole dilemma? Tan kale, odayga [Col Yeey] ma saas baa looga baqaa? This Suldan is showing his cowardice in broad daylight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamster Posted June 24, 2005 It amazes me walahi. The huuno boys think SSC is like Awdal; your brothers in Togdheer khow how the nugaal made spear feels like; they shy away like a child who once had touched a fire---- they shied away when you were strongest in 1991 when you pillaged the towns of Dilla and Boorame but send your elders to SSC to call for reconcliation. Do they think this a task of sand cultivation! war ma anigoo soomali oo idil taariikh ku leh ayaa wiil sida gabdhaha u hadla (huuno galeyda iisoo shub is a common sentence you hear in Hargeisa and it's soroundings) aniga ileeyahay waan kula dagaalami! And this Suldan chap; tell him the boys are ready and the horses are saddled. Fardo la isugu joogo maxaa laysaga faanin. Walee tanoo kale. Maandhoow waan isnaqaan, iyadoon Puntland jirinna SSC waad garan mansabka ey agtaada kalaheyd. The sons of Afxakame, Cartan Boss, Afqabaal, Xasan Wananood, Cali Dhuuh and last but not least Ismaaciil mire are now in numerous in number and militarily capable to wade off any attack without the help of Bari Nugaal and Mudug or the collective troops of Puntland. Hadii shaki taa uu idinka jiro, Let the inferno begin and we shall see who the blaze engulfs. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rokko Posted June 24, 2005 If any Somali tribe is a warrior tribe, it is the tribe from SSC. To defeat the people of SSC is not an easy task for Hargeisa or anyone else na'mean. Let us not forget history na'mean. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jamster Posted June 24, 2005 As the old Samali saying goes “Gudin yahay iguma aad dhacdeen haduunan Barkey kujirin)! Alas; if the JS boys were not deluded by their sheer arrogance and haughtiness you would not be saying this. It will be matter of time these JS boys realise where their destiny lies and that is not in the pockets of some of their elders but indeed in the heart of Puntland where a deservedly majestic seat is waiting for them. And I have not insulted you; I just wrote what I heard from Oodweyne boys. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
