Former President Mohamed Siad Barre, The Most Wrongfully Vilified Person

[Che -Guevara]

Paragon.....I guess I don't understand how any sane person wouldn't concede the likes of Barre ( no matter glorious his begining days were), Yeey's SSDF, SNM, USC, and the millions of other abbreviations had in hand the downfall of the Somali nation. Everybody including the average Xalimo and Farah contributed the destruction of what was once a promising nation. Arguing otherwise at the stage in our history is not misguided but pointless.

[xiinfaniin]

Che, Horn usually chooses the topics he posts carefully. This one come back to bite him real hard. Had he posted Kismayo thread I am sure it would’ve given the upper hand…

 

Paragon, adeer dadkoo dhan Allah qabriga u waasiciyyo. Khudbadda dhegeyso adeer--- it's revealing.

 

Culuma u diinkii markuu diiradlaha mariyey

Daqiiqadiiba laba miig markuu duuliyuhu kiciyey

Dushiinnay kusoo wada dhaceen duulna sahaydeene'e

Meeshuu Daain inaad dhiidhidaan idinka doonaayey

Waataad dabaal deg iyo farax dibad baxayseen'e

Waataad durbaan qaadateen oo dilika dheesheene'e

 

Diyadii iyo dhaxalkii ayyuu diiday waa hore

Sidii Daain ugu qaybiyuu waa dalaal yiriye'e

Daa'imul khamrina waa haa daasadaha jara'e

Bal dayyoo islaanimo xaggee looga dacal saaray'e?

 

Adeer Maxamed Siyaad waa naga hooseeyyaa maanta, wuxuu wanaajiyey iyo wixii uu fasaadiyeyba Allah buu loo hartagayyaa. But his acts were very consequential in many ways---[edit]those acts are fresh and raw in many memories!

 

Ps—you never know SOL has some of the relatives of those wadaads he unjustly executed!

[Paragon]

Xiin, Insha-Allaahu waan dhagaysan doona inskastoon muda badan ka leexleexday.

[Jacpher]

Diyadii iyo dhaxalkii ayyuu diiday waa hore

Sidii Daain ugu qaybiyuu waa dalaal yiriye'e

Daa'imul khamrina waa haa daasadaha jara'e

Bal dayyoo islaanimo xaggee looga dacal saaray'e?

Islaanimo iyo tani kala dheer, waa hadey jirto Qulil-xaqqa walow kaana mur

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by xiinfaniin:

[QB]

Che

, Horn usually chooses the topics he posts carefully. This one come back to bite him real hard.

On the contrary, I believe the thread fared much better then expected. My expectation was to witness the majority of diverse nomads spewing one-sided interpretation of the late president's legacy. I was prepared to argue and present the positive, yet ignored, achievements but clearly I seemed to have greatly underestimated the intellectual integrity of the nomads here and their ability to call spade for a spade and recognize both sides of the coin.

 

The late government had many faults, but here I presented some of the more slighted positive aspects. The nomads, rather than refusing my contribution altogether or soaking in it as some form of indoctrination curriculum, balanced it out and came to an objective and fair conclusion. Dahia, Dhulqarnayn, and Brown are just some of those nomads.

 

The only exception are the SSDF remnants and that is not something that particularly shocks me to my bones you see.

 

[ August 30, 2007, 10:12 PM: Message edited by: HornAfrique ]

[Hunguri]

Waxkastoo dhacayba. Hadal halkiisaa loogo tagaaye. Dawlad xun oo Jaair ah ayaa ka fiican dawlad laáan. Siyaad Barre Alla haw naxariisto. Waxkastaba ha ahaadee Dawlad iyo sharaf ayaynu lahayn. Qoladiina hadda durbaannada wadata ee jidbaysinina dee Odayga ina Yeey iska raaca oo 18-kaa wax haku darina hadaad Alle taqaanaan. Almuhim labada odayba waa laba oday oo wanaagsan

[Allamagan]

Strange is that one of my posts was completely removed. I believe I broke no G rules here. It is the one I was highlighting about the common denominator of Siad Barre basher, here! moderator or the admin could have edited it the bits they didnt like, but why remove it completely. Well, I can now understand why.

 

 

[AYOUB]

HornAfrique

Gen. Barre legacy boils down to what he said he his mission was and what he actually did. He and his fellow military men wrestled power from a civilian government claiming they came to rescue peaceful Somalia from "evils". What did he come to rescue Somalia from and where did where did leave it 21 years later? (Reminds me of that Ethio ambassador who claimed they came to Mogadishu to save Somalis from an evil sub-clan). What was Gen. Barre's stated agenda and was it accomplished? If it wasn't accomplished, then he's being rightly "vilified" because Somalis are still paying the price for his adventure that ended civilian rule. As person, he was a classic Somali nomad; stubborn, arrogant, proud, vindictive but nobody's poodle. As a leader, he squandered initial popularity and in desperate attempt to retain power he was not only forced to recall politicians he originally accused of being corrupt but also signed off Killil5 - consequently discrediting his all excuses for 1969 coup. In the end, he left the country in a much poorer state - to put it mildly. His supporters can't blame attempted coups (or rebels) for this because it was his Junta that removed all the procedures that facilitated peaceful transfer of power the people had. Unlike Mengistu's Ethiopia, his Junta (and other insiders ) spent the last years in power dismantling the State like there no tomorrow! To use Iraq as an analogy, he butchered his citizens like Saddam and destroyed the country like the occupying foreigners. The likes of you may have something to shout about the Barre's reign but a lot of Somalis are singing the blues.

 

Btw - I was impressed by the back-handed way the article lays blames on Gen. Samatar boots. Really sly. For those who still don't know what a Siadist or an Afweyniste is, that's one helluva an example.

[RedSea]

Does it matter what people think today Horn. That is not really going to change anything that is happening. I have my theory about the destruction of Somalia. But I will keep it to myself since it won't really matter that much.

 

ps. Love him or hate him he is the only history that stands out in both good and bad.

[Kashafa]

Sheekada aa soo gab-gabay-no. Dictator Barre has committed unforgivable crimes against the Somali peoples and is responsible for much of the bur-bur that befell Somalia, as Xiin pointed out in his two posts. But to compare him(and his reign) to the shameless calool-uu-shaqaystayaal rebel leaders/warlords of yesteryear turned dhabo-dhilif traitors of maanta is an exercise in futility, plain and simple. Soomalida waxay dahaan: Gaal-ka dil gartiisa-na see. Let's give the dead dictator his due, and while we're at it, let's put him side by side with the 'leaders' of our times and see whussup

 

Exhibit A:

 

Siad Barre's Negatives: You could write a book about it. Major chapters would include a overt anti-Islamic campaign that culminated in the execution of 11 Islamic scholars, the best Somalia had to offer. The annhilation of Hargeysa with fighter-jets and indiscriminate artillery fire. Using the Somali National Army as his personal toy, subject to his whims. Inoculating a personality cult(Aabo Siad), and more.

 

Siad Barre's Positives(accomplishments): You could also write a book about it, wrapped in it's warped Somali Nationalism(Somalinimo-on-steroids), as it is.

 

 

Exhibit B:

 

Warlord & Dhabo-dhilif, Inc's Negatives: Compounded genocide, ethnic cleansing, grand treason, destruction & dismantling of the Somali State, gutting it to the ground. Using Somali soil as burying fields for nuclear waste, endangering not only those living but the unborn generations as well(congential disordesr, deformities, cancer, etc), and much more.

 

Warlord & Dhabo-dhilif, Inc's Positives: I'm stumped. Somebody help me out here. Name one,not two or three, just one concrete positive accomplishment Abdullahi Amxaar or Cali Gheedi or Aideed Sr/Jr or Ali Mahdi can claim. All they have to their account is assasinations, murder, dhil, dhac, kufsi. But even apart from their actul crimes, they have no nationalistic vision, period. Not only are they Xabashi stooges, but they also have qabiil glasses on and everything they see is filtered through that prism.

 

So, as you can see Xiin, there is no comparison whatsoever. They may all be SOBs who should fry in hell for their crimes, but there is varying degrees of SOB'ness and Warlord & Dhabo-dhilif, Inc simply take the cake, cream, and butter when it comes to that. A degree of objectiveness is in order here. Nobody holds Siad Barre and his Socialist-kacaan-Hanti-Wathaag experiment in more contempt than I do, but even I have to acknowledge the advances Somalia made, especially during the 1969-1977 period. Contrast that with the rebel groups turned Xabashi slaves that now plauge Somalia and Siad Barre 'shines'.

 

Academic and intellectual honesty demands that a clear distinction be made between an evil dictator with a personality cult who took the country down with him when he was kicked out and shameless collaborationist traitors who were and continue to be Ethiopian pawns.

[Chimera]

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well said Oodweyne and Kashafa!

[Che -Guevara]

The only exception are the SSDF remnants and that is not something that particularly shocks me to my bones you see.

Saaxib, never accuse people of things that could easily apply to you. Barre had his faults and greatly contributed the destruction of this nation. His deeds are obviously eclipsed by today's crop of so called leaders. That said, it was under his leadership that Somalia plunged into darkness. Denying that simple and rehashing his tainted image is simply childish.

[Ducaysane]

Siyad Barre was not dictator enough that was his problem. He was weak. He had a chance to kill Aydid and Yey and he missed. What a missed opportunity. Regardless what few nomads believe, Siyad did more good for Somalis then bad. Somali pple miss him.

[Chimera]

I don't miss him, i would have missed him if he resigned in 86' but he didn't and therefore he can't sit next to the great presidents before him who stayed civilized from the beginning to the end of their administrations but he's still closer to them than Yey the 'traitor'

[rudy-Diiriye]

rip, hes history, talk about the ones killing their own ppl now. think.