Former President Mohamed Siad Barre, The Most Wrongfully Vilified Person

[Khalaf]

Horn come on akhi, you dont think the late President was blameless? Horrible things happened under his tenure, galkaacyo, and the North are stark examples and still in living memory for many. You think as a leader of the country he is not responsible for these crimes?

[Som@li]

Any Somali with a bit of intelligence would never disagree the problem Siyad Barre brought to the Somali Nation, He was the source of all evils like Qabyaalad, Nepotism,killings, which still lingering in the country, and unless Somalis learn from his mistakes,and correct themselves, there is no forward.

[Gabbal]

Khalaf-

 

Where do you get anyone is denying the bad actions of the former government? If someone gives a comprehensive objective analysis, a clearly sourced researched piece, where do you get the idea anyone is denying some of the bad actions of the former government?

[Malika]

Was Siad Barre an exceptional leader? Nah! he was a mere product of the aftermath of the post colonial African dilemmas. Indeed Somalia had great hopes in its initial success as a nation, but like majority of other African countries during the era of post colonialism found it self losing its powerful alliance of the elite and the masses that brought freedom , as a new elite became self serving allied to metropolitan interests of former colonial powers. Politics of exclusion became the order of the day as the elite to capture and retain power exploited regional and tribal differences, so things like one party,dictatorship,life presidency and military coups became the order of the day..

 

There were two external reasons that also contributed greatly to the collapse of the African/Somali nationalism, One was the cold war between the west led by the USA in NATO and the East led by USSR and the WARSAW pact countries…As we know Africa yet again lost its own self determination as countries and governments became allies of either powers not because of what they did or did not do for their people but for allegiance to extra African powers. We know our late president tried to play in both camps, which lead to the nation being in a limbo after the war,desparate for allies and material assistance, and without clear direction and coherent ideology, the nightmare began. So do we blame him, some say yes ,some said it was the circumstances that lead to the current situations. I say, YES he was to blame, he had a vision “socialism” which he himself wasn’t clear on. But to give him his due he at some point was able to tame the embedded tribalism in our society, and we enjoyed some years of Somali nationalism, but again due to desperate measures to sustain power, he tripped[ as kids now days would say],which only lead to the downfall of once a promising nation. He was a man that gained power by force, sustained it by force, arrogant [which seems to be the trait of many Somalis] and by all means a confused socialist.

 

 

Of the topic, this comes to mind,my own sentimental memories of those days gone by, I truly miss those exciting days in October,as kids we were dressed in our best outfits to attend parties at the Somali Embassy,were I remember standing by the lawn watching the celebrations in Mogadishu as they were projected on the wall….Aaah,that song is still in my head..am sure it went like this “Gulwadoo Siad, abihii garashadaa ,gebigaa yagoo..something something ….

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by Dabshid:

Any Somali with a bit of intelligence would never disagree the problem Siyad Barre brought to the Somali Nation, He was the source of all evils like Qabyaalad, Nepotism,killings, which still lingering in the country, and unless Somalis learn from his mistakes,and correct themselves, there is no forward.

^Soomaali baa tahay kula yaabi maayo. Afka nool waa waxaan ku caan baxnay.If you have proof nepotism and qabyaalad was brought to Somalia by Siad Barre, we would love to see your post. After all, this seems to be a sourced researched article.

 

Here are sources proofing you false and showing the 1969 Coup was a result of blatant corruption, nepotism, tribalism, etc and you ignorantly assert such things were introduced to Somalia by the late president. As I have said, Soomaali baad tahay, kula yaabi maayo.

 

 

[Gabbal]

Originally posted by Dahia al Kahina:

Was Siad Barre an exceptional leader? Nah! he was a mere product of the aftermath of the pre colonial African dilemmas. Indeed Somalia had great hopes in its initial success as a nation, but like majority of other African countries during the era of pre colonialism found it self losing its powerful alliance of the elite and the masses that brought freedom , as a new elite became self serving allied to metropolitan interests of former colonial powers. Politics of exclusion became the order of the day as the elite to capture and retain power exploited regional and tribal differences, so things like one party,dictatorship,life presidency and military coups became the order of the day..

 

There were two external reasons that also contributed greatly to the collapse of the African/Somali nationalism, One was the cold war between the west led by the USA in NATO and the East led by USSR and the WARSAW pact countries…As we know Africa yet again lost its own self determination as countries and governments became allies of either powers not because of what they did or did not do for their people but for allegiance to extra African powers. We know our late president tried to play in both camps, which lead to the nation being in a limbo after the war,desparate for allies and material assistance, and without clear direction and coherent ideology, the nightmare began. So do we blame him, some say yes ,some said it was the circumstances that lead to the current situations. I say, YES he was to blame, he had a vision “socialism” which he himself wasn’t clear on. But to give him his due he at some point was able to tame the embedded tribalism in our society, and we enjoyed some years of Somali nationalism, but again due to desperate measures to sustain power, he tripped[ as kids now days would say],which only lead to the downfall of once a promising nation. He was a man that gained power by force, sustained it by force, arrogant [which seems to be the trait of many Somalis] and by all means a confused socialist.

 

 

Of the topic, this comes to mind,my own sentimental memories of those days gone by, I truly miss those exciting days in October,as kids we were dressed in our best outfits to attend parties at the Somali Embassy,were I remember standing by the lawn watching the celebrations in Mogadishu as they were projected on the wall….Aaah,that song is still in my head..am sure it went like this “Gulwadoo Siad, abihii garashadaa ,gebigaa yagoo..something something ….

You see, my dear Dahia, there is an all too apparent difference between the one who comes from a subjective (tribal) perspective and an individual that comes from an objective, impartial point of view. I do not believe there is anyone out there that can accuse you of praising the late president, but there are many including I who will respect you for calling out spade for a spade in the most objective of analysis without the usual garbage riding behind you so common to our peoples. For that you deserve a clap.

 

[Khalaf]

Horn akhi ummmm its just that your one sided, i have yet to see you paint the other side of the picture.

 

Anyway i condemn what the regime did, what happened under his rule, socailism and all dat. But looking at old family albums seeing my beautiful eedos/habaryars in modigsho the beautiful capital, with the dircas and their afros, our ppl enjoying themselves, the midnimo, the walaaltnimo, peace, security yo that was during Saids time too.

 

Dahia al Kahina walaaleey, um sure u can find those kacanka songs i think they are called songs on youtube.

 

Here are good videos enjoy it peeps. When Somalia was most united (Rare Footage)

 

 

We can only wish huh?! Allah bless Somalia!

[Malika]

^^^Indeed may Allah bless Somalia,may Allah rid it of its illness, so once again we can walk among others with pride!..Amiin

[Chimera]

I don't claim Siyaad Barre was a saint cause alot of his actions in the late 80s disgust me but in the end he is dwarfed by all these incompetent rebels who toppled a government without a backup plan, and then turned on each other which resulted in the death of a million beautiful Somali women,children,elders,men and the destruction of our Infrastructure and world wide humiliation continuing till this day

 

More than one year of civil war had wiped out most of the intellectual and material progress of the preceding thirty years -Somalia a Country Study (Barre was allready out by then so what was there excuse to continue the carnage if not s-t-u-p-i-d-i-t-y itself?)

 

Siyaad Barre is nowhere near there level they should never have toppled a government without a backup plan yeah Mugabe in Zimbabwe is a bad man but do i wish the same destruction Somalia witnessed on Zimbabwe because of this individual?

 

never!

[Malika]

Originally posted by Dhulqarnayn -alSumaale:

 

More than one year of civil war had wiped out most of the intellectual and material progress of the preceding thirty years

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Somalia a Country Study (Barre was allready out by then so what was there excuse to continue the carnage if not s-t-u-p-i-d-i-t-y itself?)

^^Arent that the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth,what gives to this continuity of mass killings!this animosity!hatred etc ,but if not it being sheer ********* and the lack of gripe on reality.On continues our much mastered art of blaming,we go on and on..!

[NASSIR]

HornAfrique, I admire Bare's early adminstration, but it is undeniable that he resorted to the use of force in finding a solution to his country. It is not a strange move to resort to the use of force as a solution. In fact, it is one of the principles of International Law, esp when the sovereignty of a country is on the verge of collapse. Read the last Par, by Peter D. Little

[General Duke]

Horn, adeer your efforts are expected but history can not be redone in SOL.

 

Siyad Barre took over by force a national stable. And left it through force destroyed.

 

He started as head of Somalia's formidable armed forces. Ended up as head of his own clans SNF militia.

 

He destroyed the economy?

 

Any Somali with a bit of intelligence would never disagree the problem Siyad Barre brought to the Somali Nation, He was the source of all evils like Qabyaalad, Nepotism,killings, which still lingering in the country, and unless Somalis learn from his mistakes,and correct themselves, there is no forward.

How many Somali communities were refugess in 1969? How many were in 1991?

 

We are not talking about his death, he is a Muslim and as such only Allah can judge. But his record is clear.

 

From tanks to Donkeys. He was a failure.

[Chimera]

Originally posted by The Duke:

 

From tanks to Donkeys.

at least the tanks and the Donkeys were both Somali

 

the tanks right now are Ethiopian and the Donkeys are definitely not a Somali breed

 

typical hypocrite that today supports the expulsion of a half a million mogadishu residents and the massacre of 1500 innocent civilians by that TFG crew now complains of a so-called expulsion that suppossed to have happened during the bloodless coup in 69? man give me a break

 

fact of the matter is that guy(c/y) in your signature is a traitor always has been always will be and i will definitely make sure this is recorded in Somali history mark my words

 

his response: clans,courts,clowns,scrapmetalworkers, yadda yadda don't bother

[Allamagan]

Folks, we are all humans and sh1t do sometimes happen. No one is perfect, having said that checking late Siad Barre's minuses against his pluses, for sure he had more shining pluses than his minuses (errors). Somalia and the whole somali people missed him badly. Surely, he was a hero and nationalist.

 

May Allah rest him in peace.

[Nephissa]

It's just another "my addeer is better then yours" thread. I'm not a fan of Siyaad Bare's but some of our more extreme qabilists seem to have a hard on for the bashing game. I guess they are just getting even for all the bashing of their idol addeer.

 

He introduced clan killings, targeting civilians and rampant nepotisam and corruption whihc resulted in his sub-clan prancing around and his family thinking they were a national institution

How exactly is ^ that any different then what Yeey is currently doing? I just don't see how you[Horn, Emperor, Duke and Co.] people sleep at night. I suppose you just remove yourselves from it because you've convinced yourselves it was/is the right thing for addeer to do. So tragic!