Ahmadinejad won. Get over it

[Sherban Shabeel]

I'm not talking about blah-blah, rudy.

 

Anyone can get up on a crate and talk about how smelly yahoods are.

 

But it takes a man to nuke em off the face of the Earth, and Ahmadinejad didn't do it when the moment came.

[rudy-Diiriye]

did u ever ask yourself how hes gonna nuke them when he aint got none??

[Khayr]

Taalo ya iiqabtaa DNN's Amanapour :mad:

 

All these fasiqs and kuffar rallying together for what - jahil aka liberal democracy.

 

In a way, it serves the iranians right because they created this monster in their so called 'islamic republic'.

 

Oh by the way, Tehran represents only 20% of the total population, yet the Media focus on Tehran (which is a largely urban city with a very young population).

[Geel_jire]

Originally posted by Naxar Nugaaleed:

Thank Allah, jesus or or the hard working people who make it possible, point is your thankful for it yet here you are, advocating for the oppression of others. Why are you people so blind to this hypocrisy? You like crazy mullahs go to tora bora or waziirastan and let as know it feels like. Like dictatorships, point your finger at any random spot in the middle east and let us know about the experience. But to be here in the "West" and their "democracy" to look up to oppressors, nobody stopping anyone, go by all means enjoy tyranny in all its forms and destitution that inevitably comes with it.

this is progress son .. the ideas may not be your own .. but at least your not parroting verbatim .. its start.

 

this thread was about Iranian elections and the media's obvious skewered reporting of it. if they are this outraged over supposedly rigged elections .. why not a peep in the Bush vs Gore election ... that's right it is selective outrage only when it suits their own agenda.

 

this is analogous to when the Palestinian people DEMOCRATICALLY elected hamas to represent them .. it wasn't good enough for the 'west' ... because it is only democratic if they like the outcome.

 

you may think you owe the 'west' your first born just because they let you live here ... but don't think everyone has your beggar's mentality ... what you need is to grow a spine .. and loose this idea if you criticize the west that they will send you back to your refugee camp.

 

you are so brainwashed that you actually believe that 'america is the greatest' ... I'll let you in on a little secret sxb .. that is just a bumper sticker slogan nothing more

[NGONGE]

^^ The West is indeed exploiting the situation. However, you cannot deny that a SITUATION does exist!

 

To say get over it (as Xiin did there) is to miss the point altogether. The election is being disputed by the man who lost (and some of his powerful followers). Ahmdinejad upset quite a few people during the election campaigns and now he is reaping the fruits of his controversial posture/comments.

 

ps

My above comments have nothing to do with your little war with NN.

[Gheelle.T]

NG, true that the West is showing their dissatisfaction with Ahmednejad, but the West is not meddling in anyway or shape in this dispute, as some are trying to make us believe(in here.) That being said, at the end of the day, what the Grand Ayatullah says will only matter. After all he is the supreme leader of the nation, and election or no election, he is the one that makes all the big decisions.

[Geel_jire]

@ NG .. NN cashar baan u wadaa ii dhaaf.

 

yes there is a situation i'm not denying it ...the bloody protests can tell you that .. nor do i beleive the west is interfering in it .. im just point out their slanted coverage.

 

since they do not have observers on the ground they have no way of knowing whether the election has been rigged or not let alone their claim of a "obvious sham".

 

just pointing their intentions are not as altruistic as some hoodwinked people would like it to be .. with reference to past examples.

[Khayr]

but the West is not meddling in anyway or shape in this dispute, as some are trying to make us believe(in here.)

Do you watch t.v. or read internet news?

 

CNN and other affliates are encouraging folks to Twitter (gossip).

 

Whats at stake here is quite big - the Formation of a Secular state in an Islamic State.

[Gheelle.T]

^CNN nor Twitter change policies or make one. By the way how Mousavi victory would have formulate a secular state? Maybe it is you who needs to grasp some knowledge on Iranian local politics..

[me]

I didnt know that the Axis of Evil had a democratic member.

[NGONGE]

Heh! I think Khayr just explained to us the reasons for that other story about Al Shabab banning certain websites!

[Khayr]

Originally posted by NGONGE:

Heh! I think Khayr just explained to us the reasons for that other story about Al Shabab banning certain websites!

Old chap, how's your blog going

[LayZie G.]

^xiin didn't say "to get over it" the author(s) did. Did you even read the article or were you too busy reading nimankaan oo sida naagaha is jiid-jiidaayo oo is daandaansanaayo? Go ahead, give it a try ya ng.

[NGONGE]

^^ Adigo when you realise someone is on the same side as you, you become as loyal as (pardon the language)a dog!

 

Can't I leave the occasional mine for Xiin whilst also commenting on a topic without you exposing my cunning ploy? ..iga tag..

[NASSIR]

Originally posted by LayZie G.:

^You will never be an Iranian

 

The Leverett's article appears to lack credibility. For one, the author appears to have ulterior motive for contributing this article, along with his wife to politico because of its timing.

 

The author and the nuclear Iran argument is foolish, especially if everything Mr leverrett's said were to be implemented but nevertheless Mr leverett just got his big break by getting the opportunity to perform in-front of a striking crowd, made up of the heavyweights of broadway after struggling in the small market.

 

Besides, the author's past history handicaps his rather weak effort into swaying the views of the public towards the legitimacy associated with Ahmadinejad's so called landslide victory. The fact that he (the author) was once in bed with the government is one of the main reasons why his argument for the incumbent is ineffective. His delivery is flawed because he made frequent references to the so called American "Iran experts" instead of focusing on his subject by demeaning their experience and their inside knowledge of Iran politics. He is looking to sell an expired product that can no longer be stomached by the Iranian youth and women votes.

 

I think that Mr Leverett is looking to settle a score with the United States government and he is using the Iranian election and the recent publicity the voting irregulaties generated to fulfill his agenda. The Leveretts attack on the " most American “Iran experts” " makes their argument and their bellittlement towards the so called American "iran experts" contradictory because they too are part of this core group of experts, author included. For that reason, his argument and his wife's arguement come across as nothing more than two couple blowing hot air and using the occasion to show their displeasure like a couple of angry teenagers. Mr Leverret is in the same boat as the so called american "iran experts" because he has the same background. They, the so called american "iran experts" are scholars who wrote countless books, published journals and given advise to high ranking officials, including the United States of America.

 

Besides their irrelevancy, the article references the TFT firm as a legitimate source of information and their findings of the Iranian election as the last words of the gospel and delegitimize the opposition and the 10+ million stolen votes from the iranian youth and iranian women who make over 60% of the population, mostly women.

 

What the authors of the article do not address is the voting irregularities that have been reported from every possible foreign reporter that talked to eye witnesses, voters etc. They did not answer why the pro- government forces are using excessive force to maintain crowd control?

 

Why are the police officers, armed, some dressed as c ivilians are going out of their way to harm the people?

 

Why do you think the youth and the women of Iran are out setting fire to buses? This excess of protest was fueled by the government forces and their conduct towards the public on saturday.

 

It is undemocratic to repress votes and at the same time call the process a free election, where every vote counts and use the west as an avenue to dismiss the people who put their lives at risk in order to stand up and fight for their lives, their sole right to exist as humans and to live in peace, as all of you do and most importantly, to be heard because their voices were stolen by Ahmadinejad forces..

 

 

Getting back to the author(s), he and his wife did not address both sides of the argument, instead they dismissed the opponent and called for Ahmadinejad's victory by boosting support to perhaps score points with the man himself for whatever his reasons may be.

 

 

Lastly, with all of the author's vast knowledge in the field and the many years of research , Mr Leverett has failed his audience by not presending a very persuasive argument to the world wide reader as to why the 10 million Iran youth and women feel that they have been robbed of their right to choose their candidate.

 

 

In addition to that, how do you, geele jire, typical farax, explain the conduct of the officers, both uniform and private security forces, shooting and beating harmless protesters? (how about u just go ahead and dismiss the actions of the pro-government forces and only concentrate on the actions of the youth and women out in the streets of Tehran fighting for the same freedoms you take for granted)

 

 

Furthermore, can you excuse the action of the paid group aka the so called pro-government militia who forced their way into the University of Tehran in the hopes of doing harm to. students and staff that were inside the premise?

 

How about the fact that the government shut down all communications, especially to social sites long before people went to the voting booths?

 

How about the reports that were filed by the reporters without borders and the hundreds of foreign organizations, independently conducting their own investigations? Are they working for the united states?

 

 

You and anyone who feels that these people are just blowing off hot air and there is not much to their revolt, think again. Jeb Bush corrupt ways and nearly destroying half a million vote is minor in comparison to destroying 10 million votes, especially the votes that were casted in the mosques.

 

This author and his article are a failure, just like the Iranian authority has failed its citizens. Uprising is officially in effect, may allah ease the pain and hardship of the Iranian youth and women. [/qb]

Lazie, look beyond the current events, zoom into the past and you'll realize that you are missing something very crucial. All these accusations of "dictatorship" "police beating peaceful dissents" amount to a direct intervention of Iran's internal affairs with the aim of creating instability. Economic sanctions that have displaced millions of Iranians from their sources of livelihood are not enough still. Besides, These protestors are reported to have committed arson and other public crimes. The Iranian Government have only shown tremendous restraint so far.

 

Here is what I argued a year ago:

Had the current regime of Iran been like the then installed Mohammad Raza Shah Pehlevi’s regime, its civilian nuclear power program wouldn’t have been subjected to an oversight and consistent scrutiny, monitoring, or the threats of economic sanctions. Iran’s nuclear history began right after the democratically elected prime minister of Iran, Mohamed Mossadeq was toppled by UK/US led coup. The U.S foreign policy at the time was designed, based on incorrect assumptions, to thwart Iran from falling into the Soviet’s sphere of influence after Mosadeq nationalized the country’s oil firms. Under the Shah’s despotic rule, inter-state relations between the United States and Iran improved and the transfer of nuclear technology and materials to Iran had continued until Shah was overthrown by the Islamic regime of Khoemini in 1979. The Islamic revolutionary regime inherited U.S supplied nuclear power reactors at Bushehr but it hardly resumed the operation of the program. Khomeini was reported to have expelled from the country all the western-educated Iranian scientists and engineers.  The fall of Shah placed U.S interests in the region at peril to the effect of a big shift of policy.

 

 This policy shift had led the United States to use Iraq as a proxy state and contain what was seen as a contagious virus: the threat of Islamic theocracy in the region.  Iraq was therefore armed with chemical and biological weapons and it subsequently used against Iran as an instrument of a resolve for an outstanding border disputes. The Iran-Iraq war in the 1980s was the catalyst that gave a new lease of life for the resumption of Iran’s nuclear activities as argued by regional experts. Iran claims that no country came to her aid when Iraq invaded its territory and used chemical and biological weapons. The fact the world did not sincerely stop Iraq from its use of chemical weapons is an added incentive for the policy makers of Iran in order to counter to what they perceive as an external threat to her national security. 

 

  Furthermore, influence and prestige are involved if Iran manages to possess sufficient fissile material to produce a nuclear weapon. Like Pakistan, Iran will have increased political leverage in the region and it it will attract a great deal of attention and strategic support for her interests. However, the implication for this scenario is that regional arms races would add volatility to an already conflict-prone region. And diminished roles for the major powers to intervene in the oil region in their best interest would be inevitable.