Oppressed Women in the West and Solu.

[LuCkY]

LoL!What are you smoking nowadays Rudy...Lol!j/k.

 

SeriousLy...

 

Approximately 28% of victims are raped by husbands or boyfriends, 35% by acquaintances, and 5% by other relatives. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994)

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[rudy-Diiriye]

lucky! thats what i am saying! u r deponding too much on stats and not your religion! have u heard of a faraax who had raped a xalimo since u been living in SD?

2% of this, 3% of that!! haaaah! its a load of rubish! so is watching Opra and the likes!!.

[sayfulaah-almasluul]

i feel sorry for western girls who are unknowly bein used,system has been put in place to makes sure girls becomae less value than man.the essence of western feminism is actualy clear result of this systems,and it's ramfication are seen on the daily rapes in broadlight,islam cared women and maen equaly by imposing hijab,i gree that the main difference between human and animal is that human can think and be controller of his action,but is that what western looking for?if u all look at the darwins thoery of human speices,u will find it comltely agaistwill and freedom of man,well some may say what is rrelevance of darwin theory to this topic,but let me tell u it is relatively relevant becuase if we consider human as had been at some stage animals then it quit easy to justfy that human action of ra[pe is animalism which we belong to.but islam doesnot consider human as developed animal but thinker ,responsible,we are accountable of our deeds,we human bing enjoy the total freedom .i hhave been viewng soma somali models in general section of this threads

and what i so was shocking!!!!!!somali youngsters are subjected sexal .converted to sexual matrial.

the only solution of the widespread fiasco lays in the holy quran and sunah of our prophet(pbum)

let us not fool ourselves we are realy in danger,parent must think and think again,it is now or for ever,prevention is better than cure.

[Valenteenah.]

*shakes head at Rudy*

 

Baashi,

 

You are quite right. It is advisable to always be vigilant in order not to put yourself in a regrettable situation. That's just plain common sense. What concerns me however, is the attitude within the Somali community that the woman is always responsible for whatever fate befalls her. When a young woman is brutalised, she isnt treated as the victim, but as the perpetrator. She provoked him, she was walking alone, she was at home by herself, she shouldn't have been shopping then or there...whatever her circumstances, she bears the brunt everytime.

 

And what happens to the rapist? He's comforted, told he didnt do anything wrong...its her fault, she drove him to it, and if it looks like he may actually get convicted for his crime, he gets a free, all expenses paid trip back to the home country. A job well done. Lovely society we live in.

 

now for u british lady Bee, u r right, and remember what i said on top, is that still it is the man's fault, but i said who provoked it ok. don't quote my things out of proportion ok.

if u r saying men are animal, and women always fall for them, then women should be less than man.

QQ,

 

There's no name-calling from my side dear. I didn't say men are animals, on the contrary, I believe its you who did the male gender a dis-service by using that silly "men are weak" line. I dont believe men are weak or that they are all capable of rape, just an animalistic minority who shouldn't be given the chance to tar the rest of the population.

[LuCkY]

ORIGINALLY POSTED BY RUDY:

lucky! thats what i am saying! u r deponding too much on stats and not your religion!

Excuse Me!!!Whats with the accusations here man.That is one big LIe Rudy...so chiLL out and since youre so right why dont you present me with some evidence on how you 'supposedLy' know that i depend more on stats than my reLigion-i didnt even give my stance on the situation...what a Load of crap youre spitting.

 

have u heard of a faraax who had raped a xalimo since u been living in SD?

2% of this, 3% of that!! haaaah! its a load of rubish! so is watching Opra and the likes!!.

 

Look here...rape doesnt just concern westerners regardLess of what you may beLieve(so naive) musLim yes musLim men(not aLL) do committ such acts.BeLieve me i have witnessed a somaLi man raping a somaLi young girL and no it wasnt onLy him but his whoLe gang...so save me the ish youre beLieving-they aint saints.ANd for you to think that is a rubbish is :eek: but i shouLdnt be surprised with your rhetorics right?

 

And if watching Oprah and the Likes is rubbish why does that concern me?Maybe you need to turn of the tv and step away from the set.

 

FYI:Some of the peopLe here want to know the stats and i saved them some troubLe so...

 

 

FOr once use your head man and think twice before you post...your LittLe asinine remarks are annoying me...so immature...geez!!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: GROW UP!!!!! :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[rudy-Diiriye]

u really cracked me up so hard! so u wanna step with me! lolol..look dont get all bent outta shape! i dont have to agree with yah and u dont!! so take a chill pill or a time-out! cuz, i dont get intimidation easily!! no way jose!

 

however, i do respect as a sista, so i do expect the same from yah! no less no more! kabiish!

 

peace sista@!

[LuCkY]

u really cracked me up so hard! so u wanna step with me! lolol..look dont get all bent outta shape! i dont have to agree with yah and u dont!! so take a chill pill or a time-out! cuz, i dont get intimidation easily!! no way jose!

 

however, i do respect as a sista, so i do expect the same from yah! no less no more! kabiish!

 

peace sista@!

Oh no...un-uh!!!Youre one to speak of respect...i suggest you reread some of your postings...throwing faLse accusations Like there is no tomorrow...Lol...How contridicating you are.

 

 

I didnt ask YOU to agree with me but you obviousLy asked for my knee-jerk reaction when you said what you said about me.

 

 

And beLieve me, no i dont wanna step with you...*as if that is suppose to be something*...shiish.Youre the one that needs a ChiLL piLL in this case but i think i might have a sLight indication where aLL this ish is coming from but i wiLL keep that to myseLf.

 

 

Since you find my reponses so funny...here is another one...hope you can swaLLow it and find the amusing points in this one as weLL.

[Qac Qaac]

Bee honestly i think, u just blah blahing 4 real. i don't wanna repeat myself the whole day, when did u ever see an somalie men putting a victim of woman down, do u think we would let a jerk rape our sisters come on sis, that is why i asked u guys to talk out of facts ok. i atleast like what lucky did she had fact from the u.s. defence pls do that.

 

i even think, rapers should be killed, is the worst crime that a person could do to another human being, but u acting like it affects you more than us, i simply think, is wrong.

 

lucky what u saying (the rape) happened during the start of the civel war, between the 2 big tribes of somalia. but guess what always in war time rape happens sisster, how many women are rapted after the taliban do u know, how many women are getting raped in iraq do u know, how many women did the serbians raped in kosovo and in bosnia, in war time ppl or men rape the other ppl's women to show that they are defeated. that is one of the things islam stops, but i guess since they are kaffirs they do it to us.

 

that is anyways another stoy. but show me a normal somali men in no war time, who goes and rapes a somali girl, in a peace time, then compare that small number to america or canada or anywhere in the west.

[SomeAlien]

Originally posted by Qac Qaac:

I just wanna play, a devil's advocat here and say, let's say it is 10pm at night, there is a homeless guy who always sleeps in the park late at night, and there is this woman who is running around to be fit, with short stuff, and tight shirt, and the man let her go the first 2 nights, but the third night he couldn't take it, he wanted to get that woman, and he raped her, i know it is the man who did the act, BUT R U SAYING THAT WOMAN DIDN'T PROVOKED IT,

 

u can't walk around half naked infornt of men, all the time and tease them like this, and expect that no one will touch you, that is why woman wear hijab, hello.

 

men are weak, that is the reason why woman wear hijab, see men doesn't wear hijab coz the women would not rape every guy they see, they are more controlled, take any psychology class they will teach u this. allah knew this long time coz he created us, that is why he makes those kind of rules ok. allah The Just.

^^^there is so many problems in this thread, i dont know where to start.

 

1- the woman didnt provoke it, just like if a pedophile sees a lil kid running in his/her underwear , the child didnt provoke it. i'd understand if this hypothetical man approached the woman, or leered at her or what not, but how can a woman, however she is dressed, provoke an attack on her body without even noticing the attacker. rape generally isnt about sex, or obtaining sex, its about humiliating, and demeaning human life.

 

 

2- about not teasing men, i think the human body is only assigned taboos its society places on it. some taboos, i think, are necessary. for instance, we all know of indigenous tribes in tiny islands in south america, secluded parts in africa, and they all walk around half naked, LITERALLY. now, its a fact that crimes such as rape, pedophilia, murder, or even war crimes are extremely rare in those parts, why? for one thing, they live in societies that are obviously less populated than cosmopolitain new york, or even mogadishu. and because of their population, they live more harmonious lives, they talk with family and friends, marital unions are inevitable for everybody, therefore people arent forced into psychological frustrating lives where they live sexual fantasies, however disturbing, vicariously through porn stars and such, like they do here in the civilized west.

 

the hypothetical rapist IS at fault, no matter how the female is dressed, because of the nature of the crime. most likely, he would have raped a woman wearing a hijab for the purpose of raping a vulnerable woman with no witnesses about to see it. youre excuse about men being weak only excuses men who proposition women for sex, not men who beat and forcefully penetrate random women they see because they saw their left thigh.

 

 

3- i may be mistaken, but hijab means protection, and men wear a hijab too. youre not supposed to walk around in public shirtless, or wear "short shorts" and such. its different, and obviously less strict, but its true. we wear the hijaab, unfortunately not to prevent rape because such things still occur TO women who do wear the hijab, but to be clean of lusful eyes (because looking is bad enough in islam),and as a uniform that externally shows are internal views. when promoting modesty with the hijab, it means to not only hide your natural endowments, but material ones as well.

 

 

now back to the topic, i personally think the western media(look at a magazine cover, billboards,the internet, television, cinema, PORNOGRAPHY!!!) is to blame for western mens views of women.eminem makes a sick joke about raping his mother and somehow he makes it at the top of the billboard. makes another rhyme about letting his friends gang rape his lil sister and the public laughs and calls it his artistic license, nevermind how its shaping the thoughts and minds of young kids everywhere.i dont know when rape became a laughing matter but id sure like to see em in jail and see how funny he thinks it is than.

[LuCkY]

What a waste!!!

[Qac Qaac]

somalean, r u really saying, that naked women in front of men, would not do anything to the men. r u kidding me?

 

u took an example from those small tribes in south america or some parts in africa, well sis they are ignorent ppl, that is why they naked, and i don't really see how this example applies to our topic here.

 

it is 100% men's fautl yes, but we can't deny the fact that the women had something to do with provoking it. u know it too.

u said, the attacker would rape a hijabi muslim sister yeah maybe, but we are talking about an everage, not the rare cases ok. when a man sees a hihabed woman they usually leave them alone, most of the time, coz the hijab has powers and allah protects his believing women, but go ahead and wear see through clothes, and like to get attention from men, when he approaches you, and you say no, coz he is not your type, he would think other reasons to get you, and rape could be one.

 

anyways when i start this, i didn't want to start an argument, all i wanted to do is, to tell you guys how the hijab is very important, some of u, i guess missunderstood me, and just talked out of nothing.

 

why u sisters so defensive now adays,?

no one could say his opinion around here, when it comes to women huh?

figt for ur rights huh, well sisters we are not abusing u guys, so pls cut this, and for once with open heart let's exchange reasons and opinions ok.

[LuCkY]

Lol...this forum is just too amusing.

 

Qac Qaac No!I didnt say start of civiL war...civiL war...or any war for that matter.

 

Around 30,000+ i beLieve or some where aLong those Lines in bosnia .

[SomeAlien]

Originally posted by Qac Qaac:

somalean, r u really saying, that naked women in front of men, would not do anything to the men. r u kidding me?

 

 

no im saying there is a HUGE difference between thinking or wanting sex, and wanting or thinking of rape.

 

u took an example from those small tribes in south america or some parts in africa, well sis they are ignorent ppl, that is why they naked, and i don't really see how this example applies to our topic here.

 

you can call them ignorant, i think theyre just closed off from the rest of the world. the greatest civilisations owe their power and knowledge to other civilisations in which they interacted with and stole their ideas from right? well these guys live in controlled and tiny populated places. i think their existance is relevant for the fact alone that violent crimes are almost non-existant amongst them. i dont think THAT is ignorant. my point was there are other factors that "provoke" rape other than a womans obvious sexuality. its the societies view on women, sex and violence and i think you can connect the dots and tell me what the west says about women, violence and sexuality and link it to rape, right?

 

 

it is 100% men's fautl yes, but we can't deny the fact that the women had something to do with provoking it. u know it too.

u said, the attacker would rape a hijabi muslim sister yeah maybe, but we are talking about an everage, not the rare cases ok. when a man sees a hihabed woman they usually leave them alone, most of the time, coz the hijab has powers and allah protects his believing women, but go ahead and wear see through clothes, and like to get attention from men, when he approaches you, and you say no, coz he is not your type, he would think other reasons to get you, and rape could be one.

 

 

right, i NEVER said anything remotely negative about the hijab, in fact i think i stated why it was important so i dont know where youre getting the idea that i dress like a slut because i dont. in fact im considering donning the proper hijab permanantly. rapists dont care what theyre victims are wearing or even what they look like (unless they are stalkers too, but that would be another topic), so long as they are vulnerable enough for an attack. a woman wearing skimpy clothing alone in the streets is more vulnerable than another hijabed woman alone in the streets, ill give you THAT much, but i still dont see where she provokes it. the rape of hijaabed women, unfortunately, isnt as "rare" as it should be in muslim countries. why? cause rapists dont care what their victims look like so long as they are vulnerable i.e young, someone you know, someone who was at the wrong place wrong time because those are all instances where the woman wont tell because of the shame of being tricked, blindsighted and raped...

 

 

anyways when i start this, i didn't want to start an argument, all i wanted to do is, to tell you guys how the hijab is very important, some of u, i guess missunderstood me, and just talked out of nothing.

 

im sorry you think that.

 

why u sisters so defensive now adays,?

no one could say his opinion around here, when it comes to women huh?

figt for ur rights huh, well sisters we are not abusing u guys, so pls cut this, and for once with open heart let's exchange reasons and opinions ok.

 

 

im sorry to say this, but i really think youre the one being defensive here. i didnt mean to attack you or your thoughts i simply disagreed with you and told you why, which i think is the point of this website. i really dont think this is a male bashing thread and frankly you kind of turned it into a woman bashing thing by implying i dress scantily and deserve to get raped... that was pretty awful, and i hope youll agree with me.

 

[Qac Qaac]

I never said, u dress like a slot, maybe u feel that way, but did i ever said it from my mouth, i don't think so.

 

anyways whatever u believe it is your opinion, let's end this arguement in here, and i'll say here u r right, i hope u happy ok. let's move on. ok Somaliean.

[Grad Student]

Rudy dude, stay clear of these serious discussions cause u play too much!

btw, i am still waiting for the offer!

 

NOTE TO MEN: just duck when you see "opinionated" on serious subjects like women's rights cause she seems to be well-versed in NEOFEMINISM/FEMALLENNIUM-A THOUSAND YEAR WHICH WOMEN WOULD PISS ON ANYTHING IN SIGHT! LOL