Bossaso: Boom in livestock trade brings in cash...

[Mintid Farayar]

^^ The Point,

 

Your links did not come through. Could you post the links to your data? This is an interesting area of discussion which very few of us engage in - I'm referring to raw data and its analysis.

Thanks in advance...

[ElPunto]

For the charts see page 8/9.

 

Charts

 

FSAU Berbera Livestock Exports

 

FSAU Bosaaso Livestock Exports

 

 

PS - don't call me young lady again.

[Mintid Farayar]

Thank you so much! You've just helped me understand the situation.

[xiinfaniin]

^^ Charts, and raw data about a Puntland that does not exist...how could that help you understand the situation?

 

[Thankful]

Originally posted by The Zack:

LOOOOOOOOOOOL @

quote: Puntland was able to build a livestock quarantine that met the specifications for export to other countries.

Sxb Saudi Arabia has lifted the ban on the import of livestock from entire Somalia including Somaliland. It is not just Puntland and Puntland didn't do anything to "quarantine the met specs" like you stated.

 

BBC: Saudi Arabia lifts Somali Livestock Ban

Are you serious, I agree it is not just Puntland, North West Somalia also built their own live stock with the same company. If you serious think that the saudi's had drop the ban on Somali exports this year because they felt like it, you need to start using some common sense. The biggest reason that the Saudi's dropped their ban on our livestock is because we now have a quarantine and test and vaccinate animals to ensure that they can be accepted. All the animals you see in the pics were tested and given shots. The success of the quaratines are the reason that the ban was lifted. Puntlands was built first however!

[Peace Action]

To be fair Berbera is a natural deep water sea port much bigger then Bosaso and can handle a lot more cargo since bigger ships can dock in it. In terms of total tonage handled, Berbera will take the lead. In livestock export and imports of "bagaash" Bosaso beats Berbera handly because it has much lower tarriffs.

[NASSIR]

Zack, tolka ha ceebeyn, hana iska dhigin nin go'aanka tolka goyn kara. Xagee u kala wada laba beelood oo walaala ah over a minor mistake by an individual.

 

You are doing the Guilt by Association error in here. Haven't you read how many protests took place at that incident.

Qaladaad waa dhacaan, maalin walbana dad baa la laayaa ee cadawtinimo ha abuurin.

 

If Faroole turns to behaviorially adopt the clannish style of the Ade Muse of yester years as the latter was to the Makhiris even calling the clan as "beasts who dwell on the grass" much less his unilateral actions of playing with fire, then it's best to oppose his policies and leadership as best as you can with a workable solution, but without ever accusing the whole clan or making perpetual state of war or cutting off the mutual interdependence., which amounts to another type of internal war between two brotherly families.

[Thankful]

adopt the clannish style of the Ade Muse of yester years as the latter was to the Makhiris even calling the clan as "beasts who dwell on the grass"

I think to be fair, there was bad blood between the both of them way before Cadde was president. During the time, he was leaving Duudo, and asked the Makhiris for assistance and was basically told get lost (even some road blocks being set up because their was a reward issued for his arrests). Then the

 

Honorable Bur Madow stepped in and mediated the peace deal. Something that was never forgotten.

 

So there's always two sides to a story, but there is definitely mutual issues.

[The Zack]

Nassir,

 

Puntland shacabkeeda waxba kamaanan sheegin mana isticmaalin generalization, eedeyn kasto oo aan sameeyay waxey ku socotay/taa maamulka meeshaas hadda ka jiro. Shacabku guud ahaan iyo gaar ahaanba( sida, Sayd Somali, Paragon, Nabaddoonkii la xidhay iyo kuwo kaloo badan) wey ka dhiidhiyeen arinta gumeyski kalkaalka aheyd ee uu ku dhaqaaqay maamulka Faroole. Arinta ganacsigana umbaan ka hadlay ee naceyb kale meesha kuma jiro. Adigaba aan ku weydiiyee, meel lagugu xidhayo cadowgaagana laguugu dhiibayo adigaba ganacsi ma u aadi laheyd? Arinteydu waxey aheyd talo ku socoto shacabka reer Somali Galbeed, waa iney ka leexsadaan ganacsigooda Puntland xiligan hadda la joogo ayna sugaan inta maamulka meeshaas ka jiro uu baddalmayo ama siyaasadiisa cadow u shaqeynta ah uu baddalayo.

[Haatu]

Typical of Duke to blow a simple comment out of proportion and turn it into an argument. Duke was asked a question. He didn't reply. Zack said what he thought was the correct answer. Duke argued for three pages that Zack was wrong in stating his opinion. End of story.

[The Zack]

Lol Haatu. True.

[Mintid Farayar]

Gentlemen,

Not to highjack your discussion with Duke, but there's been some misunderstandings regarding my interest in the livestock numbers for the 2 ports.

 

I'm too lazy to retype what I wrote in the other thread so I will just copy and paste it into here:

 

As for you, Xiin, shallow analysis as usual.

 

The reason I found the charts presented by 'The Point' to be so interesting is:

 

Berbera traditional has handled the bulk of livestock for all of the former Somalia from independence on. Everyone with a scintilla of awareness knows that. The reasons for that are logical - it being the only deepwater port in the area besides Djibouti. In addition, the real trade in livestock for Somalis is with the Saudi market where our livestock fetches the highest price vis-a-vis the price for our livestock in other countries.

 

Bossasso, on the other hand, being a shallow water port, cannot handle the larger traditional live animal ships, but rather mostly dhows and lighter, smaller ships with limited capacity. In addition, Bossasso usually exports to the Yemeni market across the waterway where prices are far lower, and if possible the livestock is smuggled into Southern Saudi Arabia (far away from the major Saudi metropolises and the higher prices).

 

In 2001, the Saudi livestock embargo was put into place, effectively shutting down the Berbera livestock trade. The only market then open to most Somalis was the Yemeni market served primarily by Bossasso (where livestock fetches about 20% of what it would fetch in the Saudi market).

 

If you notice in the charts, Bossasso only started surpassing Berbera starting from 2001 (correlating with the embargo). The increased numbers for Bossasso are still far less than the numbers for Berbera in years preceding the embargo. As usual shallow analysis...

 

Now with the embargo lifted, well, I think even you can figure out what's going to happen...

[rudy-Diiriye]

wat ships or boats are going to pirateland to pickup some goats..... use your heads pple!

 

5000 load of goats to arabia 1500 dollars, being hijacked by pirates, 1 millions...!

 

Shipment from Berbera 1500 dollars profit, Riyaale's cut, priceless, he gets all.

 

so either way, the local economy gets Zero benefit since all the money goes to buying Villas in some other countries.

 

U might as well give these goats to Alshabab kids so they can make some good ole hamburgers! see, they dont have any more welfare or ceeyid.

[NASSIR]

Originally posted by ThankfulSP:

quote:

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adopt the clannish style of the Ade Muse of yester years as the latter was to the Makhiris even calling the clan as "beasts who dwell on the grass"

I think to be fair, there was bad blood between the both of them way before Cadde was president. During the time, he was leaving Duudo, and asked the Makhiris for assistance and was basically told get lost (even some road blocks being set up because their was a reward issued for his arrests). Then the

 

Honorable Bur Madow stepped in and mediated the peace deal. Something that was never forgotten.

 

So there's always two sides to a story, but there is definitely mutual issues. [/QB]

Actually it was sultan Said who initiated the peace process.

 

The Puntland Peace Agreement, 2003

 

In early 2003, Said Mohamed Raage, a member of the Puntland parliament and a prominent businessman who had maintained a cordial relationship with both Abdulahi Yusuf and General Adde, initiated dialogue between the two parties, involving two distinguished Isimo (traditional titled elders) from Sanaag region in the mediation. Both were held in high regard by their respective communities and beyond: Boqor Osman Aw Mohamoud of the Habar Jeclo clan of the ***** clan-family, and Sultan Said Sultan Abdulsalam of the ********** clan of the ***** clan group. The two senior elders visited Gardo and Bosaaso and enlisted other influential elders, intellectuals, and prominent businessmen in the process, including Haji Said Aw Mussa, Mohamud Ali Jagaf, Mohamed Aden, and Abdi Osman Fikad, all of whom lent their support to the peace initiative.

Btw, are you his son? Just curious.

[NASSIR]

Zack, I mean if you cut off the mutual economic interdependence, don't you know this is another act of war. War doesn't have to be the roaring of the gun only.

What makes "Somaliland" with its habit of doing the same even with the blind support of her communities better than Puntland?