Why do they call it Somaliland?

[Fabregas]

Ibn Batuta said the land of the Berbers( Somalis) extends from Zeila to Muqdisho!Anwway i think some people need to stop worrying about Somaliland, given what is going on Somalia!

[Fabregas]

Ibn Batuta said the land of the Berbers( Somalis) extends from Zeila to Muqdisho!Anwway i think some people need to stop worrying about Somaliland, given what is going on Somalia!

[Jacaylbaro]

looooooooooooool ,,,,,, that was when ??

 

 

He was talking about the somalis not somalia ,,,,,, YES we are all somalis sxb ,,,,

[Jacaylbaro]

looooooooooooool ,,,,,, that was when ??

 

 

He was talking about the somalis not somalia ,,,,,, YES we are all somalis sxb ,,,,

[Jaylaani]

Originally posted by Suldaaanka:

quote: British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland respectively

Sxb, the official name as it was known by the Italians was "

Somalia Italiana ". Or if you Anglosize it "Italian Somalia". You can consult any Italian book about Somalia's (Proper) colonial history. I can only guess that they might called Somaliland "

Somalia Britiannia

" as well. But I am not sure.

 

You can find postcards and even money from that era, and it well says "Somalia".

 

This is a post stamp produced during the Italian colonial times.

 

 

This might be a good example.

Thanks Suldan.

[Jaylaani]

Originally posted by Suldaaanka:

quote: British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland respectively

Sxb, the official name as it was known by the Italians was "

Somalia Italiana ". Or if you Anglosize it "Italian Somalia". You can consult any Italian book about Somalia's (Proper) colonial history. I can only guess that they might called Somaliland "

Somalia Britiannia

" as well. But I am not sure.

 

You can find postcards and even money from that era, and it well says "Somalia".

 

This is a post stamp produced during the Italian colonial times.

 

 

This might be a good example.

Thanks Suldan.

[Fabregas]

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro:

looooooooooooool ,,,,,, that was when ??

 

Before colonialism and before white men drew borders and lines across Africa. Before Imam Ahmad liberated the muslim peoples from the Solomonic Dynasty and united them under Islam in the Horn.This was before the time the Muslims were divided into sub states with secular notions of: Statehood, Sovereignity, nationalism and Independence. Way back when there was no border lines between Muslim peoples. In the good olden days when Muslims had a currency system based on gold, rather than on the distortionary inflation based Western paper System.

 

Jb wrote: He was talking about the somalis not somalia

 

Of course he was, because by this time, the White men didn't create lines and seperate people into French Somaliland, British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland.

 

,,,,,, YES we are all somalis sxb ,,,,

 

Apart from Shariff Zeylaci

!

[Fabregas]

Originally posted by Jacaylbaro:

looooooooooooool ,,,,,, that was when ??

 

Before colonialism and before white men drew borders and lines across Africa. Before Imam Ahmad liberated the muslim peoples from the Solomonic Dynasty and united them under Islam in the Horn.This was before the time the Muslims were divided into sub states with secular notions of: Statehood, Sovereignity, nationalism and Independence. Way back when there was no border lines between Muslim peoples. In the good olden days when Muslims had a currency system based on gold, rather than on the distortionary inflation based Western paper System.

 

Jb wrote: He was talking about the somalis not somalia

 

Of course he was, because by this time, the White men didn't create lines and seperate people into French Somaliland, British Somaliland and Italian Somaliland.

 

,,,,,, YES we are all somalis sxb ,,,,

 

Apart from Shariff Zeylaci

!

[Chimera]

MMA Somalis did live under indigineous centralized systems

 

the Gareen Empire

 

excerpt..

 

Extended it's Hegemony over various herding and cultivating groups of the Whebi Shabelle region with a skillfull combination of Jihad, trade linkages and alliances. -Randall Lee Powels - the Horn and crescent

 

from Qalaafo their capital in Somaligalbeed to Hobyo in Puntland to Mogadishu in the south was connected into one large centralized system

 

The Gareen sultan probably also supported Adal which included (Northern Somalia(Somaliland) Djibouti and the Afar and the Harar platues) through the house of Meqdush(Mogadishu) which is described as being an ally of Adal and supporting it financially(Meshafe milad)

 

there is also a connection with NFD and even beyond there are theories of a possible Gareen Governor being ambushed for claiming his right as a governor

 

One political device is especially noteworthy.The Gareen Sultans claimed the right of ius primus noctris a right they have appeared to have exploited creating marriage ties and reinforcing their political grasp over all the important clans of the Sultanate. The fact that there are traditions of similar costums having been practised in the coastal region of Kenya makes this information striking indeed,Thus the Bajun, the Famou clan of Siyu and Miji Kenda all have their versions of how a pastoral chief called Punuma or Ruruna was killed usually by a youth or a jealous bridegroom or by a woman herself for demanding ius primea noctris.

 

--

 

Somalis definitly knew where their bloodsisters and brothers lived and outsiders definitly knew where Somali territory began and ended case in point: The Oromos and their Mega expansion trough the Horn

 

yet..

 

the Gareen confederation provided a bulwark against the Oromo who, from the middle of the sixteenth century were expanding dramatically in all directions from their homeland -Lee Cassanelli Pastoral Power

 

there was definitly a collective feeling of belonging to a Homeland and after the collapse of Gareen and Adal other systems of government replaced them cases in point the Afgoye Sultanate,Bari Sultanate,Obbia Sultanate and the Garaad Sultanate in Somalia which are equivalant to Germany with it's Bavaria ,Prussia and all those other German states in the 19th century

 

that said i wish nothing but Happiness and prosperity to my people living across the Horn and Beyond Insha-allah

[Chimera]

MMA Somalis did live under indigineous centralized systems

 

the Gareen Empire

 

excerpt..

 

Extended it's Hegemony over various herding and cultivating groups of the Whebi Shabelle region with a skillfull combination of Jihad, trade linkages and alliances. -Randall Lee Powels - the Horn and crescent

 

from Qalaafo their capital in Somaligalbeed to Hobyo in Puntland to Mogadishu in the south was connected into one large centralized system

 

The Gareen sultan probably also supported Adal which included (Northern Somalia(Somaliland) Djibouti and the Afar and the Harar platues) through the house of Meqdush(Mogadishu) which is described as being an ally of Adal and supporting it financially(Meshafe milad)

 

there is also a connection with NFD and even beyond there are theories of a possible Gareen Governor being ambushed for claiming his right as a governor

 

One political device is especially noteworthy.The Gareen Sultans claimed the right of ius primus noctris a right they have appeared to have exploited creating marriage ties and reinforcing their political grasp over all the important clans of the Sultanate. The fact that there are traditions of similar costums having been practised in the coastal region of Kenya makes this information striking indeed,Thus the Bajun, the Famou clan of Siyu and Miji Kenda all have their versions of how a pastoral chief called Punuma or Ruruna was killed usually by a youth or a jealous bridegroom or by a woman herself for demanding ius primea noctris.

 

--

 

Somalis definitly knew where their bloodsisters and brothers lived and outsiders definitly knew where Somali territory began and ended case in point: The Oromos and their Mega expansion trough the Horn

 

yet..

 

the Gareen confederation provided a bulwark against the Oromo who, from the middle of the sixteenth century were expanding dramatically in all directions from their homeland -Lee Cassanelli Pastoral Power

 

there was definitly a collective feeling of belonging to a Homeland and after the collapse of Gareen and Adal other systems of government replaced them cases in point the Afgoye Sultanate,Bari Sultanate,Obbia Sultanate and the Garaad Sultanate in Somalia which are equivalant to Germany with it's Bavaria ,Prussia and all those other German states in the 19th century

 

that said i wish nothing but Happiness and prosperity to my people living across the Horn and Beyond Insha-allah