Gavin Williamson introduces Bill on Somaliland recognition

[Arafaat]

12 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

the south is a dead place what benefit will it actually bring to get involved in terms of achieving diplomatic recognition . what will we gain by meddling in their affairs give me one good example

 

 

Your narrative and assumptions are incorrect. Also of SSC you assumed they would go nowhere and stay with current Somaliland because the South is ‘dead’ according to youZ You seem to be quite adement of maintaining the current political status quo in Somaliland, thinking that people don’t have a choice or options as long as the South is chaotic.

You tell us what the majority of people will gain from the current status quo, give one good example why anyone would favor for the status quo to remain? Except for the few elites that are enriching themselves that want things to remain the same. 

 

[Arafaat]

14 hours ago, Game changer said:

I am sure Somaliland will be more involved in Somalia affairs than before.  I am also Sure somaliland won't join Somalia again in our lifetime.  The reason is very simple  Somalia is not attractive, they don't have any wealth to offer us , and we have nothing to give them.  

Secondly  the possibilities that Somalia will invade somaliland and take over hargeisa is close to zero.  In addition to that most Somalis are not willing to fight us in the name of somali unity.  For Those reasons I don't really see somaliland reuniting with somalia. And I don't see the world recognizing us.   Our only other option is to build our economy and our army.  Just like Taiwan.

 

Nobody talked or asked u about joining. You were stating that SL will get more involved in Somalia politics and I asked why u think that SL would want to do that and second if they are ready to do that, as that would require a different more rationele and calculated political mindset. 

[maakhiri1]

9 hours ago, Game changer said:

What do you think other countries are doing in Somalia ?   Do you think they are  doing it out of love.  Wake up man.  You can't keep your interests by locking yourself in a room.  No body gives a shit if you are oasis of peace,  democratic,  or what ever  you think can make you look nice In the eyes of gaalo., even if we allow the  lGBTs  it won't change anything , until we  get involved with somalia political and social affairs left and right.  

Recognition soo socda ma jirtee  kadabkaaga uun ilaasho iyo danaha qabiilkaaga, maantada hadaynu is nidhaahno shiidaal dhoofiya, afar drooda oo shaadhkii Somalia sitaa geed dheer iyo mid gaabanba u fuulaya inay joojiyan,   waxay isku dayeen inay adhiga  kaa xidhaan , oo deeqaha lagaa goosto , waad arkaysay siday xitaa xeer degega uga soo saaren DPworld berbera. Waxaas oo dhan madhaceen hadaynu isticmaalayno awoodena aynu xamar Ku dhex leenahay.

 

Alshabaab qayb bay Ka ahayd wixii sababtay dagaalka lascaanod.  How long baynu sugayna inay barteena inoogu imanayan,  Waa in ciidamadeenu qayb kamida loo diyaariyo inay Ka qayb qaatan dagaalka alshabaab lagu qaadi doono dhawaan , Isla markaana dhulka beesha direed oo dhan waa inaynu gacanta Ku dhigno. niman caabudwaaq  iyo qoraxay  Ka tegay baaba meesha isku haysta.   Inaga bal maxaa inoo diiday inaynu qabsano xeebta from kismayo ilaa marka u dhexaysa in the name of Dir.   Bal waa ayyo cida inaga hor istaagi karta.  

 

Marka hore Haaji waydii in Dir yahay iyo inuu Ben Hashemite , kuu yahay

Sheekada aad wada Waa sheekadii Holeey? Xagee ku danbeeysay?

 

[Game changer]

Arintu hooley kaweyn ,  it's a reality on the ground , neither the dooros nor the hashimites can do anything about the Irir hordes.  Somalidu laba diimood bay leedahay mid waa ta islamka  ta kalena waa qabiilka.  Siday diintu  kun firqo u leedahay buu qabiil kuna firqooyin badan u leeyahay,   waxan qabyaalad la dhahaana nin ba meel bay u joogta ,  Ku heer juffo bay u joogta kuna heer dhexe , dadka qaarna stage sare oo aan ummada badankeedu aqoon u lahayn.  Aniga iyo hooleyba bahashyadu waa an other level.

Siyaasada Somalia is based on 4.5 waxna kama hooseeyan waxna kama sareeyan.    Hogaamiyaasha somaliduna afartaa firqo ee diinta qabyaaladu Ka kooban tahay bay Ka kala tirsan yihiin.    Firqada drodku waa khawaarij ,  inta badana iskuma San banaana firqooyin ka kale,   weliba waxay threat Ku yihiin horumar ka Somalida.  Bal imika sacaa garowe fadhiya eega ,  wuxu taagan yahay Somalia yaan denynta laga cafin ,  bal cilmigaa danta Ku jirta noo fasira malay dabatoy kkk 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

FOUR POINT  5  wax faida oo inoogu jira anigu ma arko sababto ah dadka ka mid ah barlamaanka somalia ku jira wa tuug naga so baxsaday oo awr kiralayaal oo ah walanweynta iyo warawaroodka marka sidee baa ay wax inoogu tari karan , wax ay ino tari karan ma jirto , qof isagi loo taliyo muxu ku tari kara bal mahdi guleed abdi hashi , prof abdi samatar maxay ku tari karan . ileen iyagu ba la haystayaal ah. I DONT mind in  dhul laga qabsado somalia si infuance loogu jeesho walanweynta i dont mind that . but u need a good strategy for that and we need to work on that 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

20 hours ago, Arafaat said:

Your narrative and assumptions are incorrect. Also of SSC you assumed they would go nowhere and stay with current Somaliland because the South is ‘dead’ according to youZ You seem to be quite adement of maintaining the current political status quo in Somaliland, thinking that people don’t have a choice or options as long as the South is chaotic.

You tell us what the majority of people will gain from the current status quo, give one good example why anyone would favor for the status quo to remain? Except for the few elites that are enriching themselves that want things to remain the same. 

 

and what makes u think ssc cares for mogadishu  ka carar Somaliland ba u geeynaya  walanweynta si ay uggaga dhuuntan , Somaliland but not love or that there is a benefit in walanweynistan. there is absolutely nothing  wa fear iyo ka carar oo kaliya waxa halka geynaya , mamuulka ilmadeeradood eeh  maxa la yidha  bugland ayay wax ku darsan kari wayeeen  , hadana  they are all over the place . very bad example arafaat

 

[Game changer]

1 hour ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

FOUR POINT  5  wax faida oo inoogu jira anigu ma arko sababto ah dadka ka mid ah barlamaanka somalia ku jira wa tuug naga so baxsaday oo awr kiralayaal oo ah walanweynta iyo warawaroodka marka sidee baa ay wax inoogu tari karan , wax ay ino tari karan ma jirto , qof isagi loo taliyo muxu ku tari kara bal mahdi guleed abdi hashi , prof abdi samatar maxay ku tari karan . ileen iyagu ba la haystayaal ah. I DONT mind in  dhul laga qabsado somalia si infuance loogu jeesho walanweynta i dont mind that . but u need a good strategy for that and we need to work on that 

Tuug uma aqaane waxan u aqaan rag fariido ahoo atleast inoo sii qabtay positions muhiima caruurtoodana korsaday,   awal hadii kuwo inaga baxsaday meesha tegi jiren , hada kuwo aynu soo tababaranay baa lagu bedelaya ,  sidan kor Ku xusay ninba dunidiisu inbay Ku eegtahay, Adigu you don't see beyond the borders of somaliland, Anigu I am more interested about the whole IGAD region.

  The minimum power we have  in Somalia today  is to decide who is going to be their leader in every elections,  without jeopardizing our sovereignty.  This itself is not an easy leverage .   I don't see Why you  dislike our Dir waqooyi folks in the villa, they may not be the right ones but we can  atleast let them retire in their homeland , just to fill their positions with our own real representatives.

 

 

[Arafaat]

15 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

and what makes u think ssc cares for mogadishu  ka carar Somaliland ba u geeynaya  walanweynta si ay uggaga dhuuntan , Somaliland but not love or that there is a benefit in walanweynistan. there is absolutely nothing  wa fear iyo ka carar oo kaliya waxa halka geynaya , mamuulka ilmadeeradood eeh  maxa la yidha  bugland ayay wax ku darsan kari wayeeen  , hadana  they are all over the place . very bad example arafaat

 

Xaaji, read again what I wrote. Forget about Puntland, 4.5 in Mogadishu, what do you have for those people in the East of the country, and are you willing to accommodate their political wishes? Or do you regard then as an occupied lot that have no entitlement, no ownership and no say in matters of the state and governance. 

The manner in which Ali Khaliif Galeydh was treated is quite telling and your insistence on remaining or occupying Goojacadde and shelling of Las Anod, and name calling of the Garaads is adding further insult. 

Irrelevant of the state of Puntland, Mogadishu and 4.5, no self respecting Somali would accept this kind of dismissive treatment, disrespect and on top of that derogatory speech, even if meant one has to die of hunger.

If one cant understand that, can’t comprehend or can’t empathize with that, then apparently there is little basis for the distinct shared values of Somaliland, that we all thought and still hope it exists. 

[Game changer]

Meesha inaanu yeelano iyo inay muran Ku jirto noogama dhexayso.  

 

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

4 hours ago, Arafaat said:

Xaaji, read again what I wrote. Forget about Puntland, 4.5 in Mogadishu, what do you have for those people in the East of the country, and are you willing to accommodate their political wishes? Or do you regard then as an occupied lot that have no entitlement, no ownership and no say in matters of the state and governance. 

The manner in which Ali Khaliif Galeydh was treated is quite telling and your insistence on remaining or occupying Goojacadde and shelling of Las Anod, and name calling of the Garaads is adding further insult. 

Irrelevant of the state of Puntland, Mogadishu and 4.5, no self respecting Somali would accept this kind of dismissive treatment, disrespect and on top of that derogatory speech, even if meant one has to die of hunger.

If one cant understand that, can’t comprehend or can’t empathize with that, then apparently there is little basis for the distinct shared values of Somaliland, that we all thought and still hope it exists. 

First of ali khalif galaydh is dead and siilaanyo is out of power so to talk what if could ve should ve would ve. inst what we should discuss  .

 

And ur question maxaloo haya eastern Somaliland  the same thing waxa loo haya the west of the country there is no difference between the west and the east of the country all the citizens of the SL should treated equally and should be equal to the law. the Somaliland govt already gave 2 percent extra tax budget to them.

[Arafaat]

On 7/7/2023 at 4:58 PM, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

First of ali khalif galaydh is dead and siilaanyo is out of power so to talk what if could ve should ve would ve. inst what we should discuss  .

 

And ur question maxaloo haya eastern Somaliland  the same thing waxa loo haya the west of the country there is no difference between the west and the east of the country all the citizens of the SL should treated equally and should be equal to the law. the Somaliland govt already gave 2 percent extra tax budget to them.

Both your points are nonsense. For one, the core of a government is that it abides by its own laws and agreements. A government that doesn’t fulfill its legal commitments looses all trust and credibility. Maybe you don’t understand but an agreement entered by a government has legal status the same way laws and constituents have, and governments are liable for not honouring agreements. The same way the constitution was written under Cigaal aun but is still adhered to, the same way the SL government under Siilanyo entered agreements with foreign companies and and whoever comes in to power is expected to abide by it, so should have the agreement with Khaatumo be honoured. And this is not only according every single norm of state and governance, but also in accordance with the basic fundaments of Somali traditions norms and Islamic values. Whatever you say or state, this fatal mistake will stand. 

Second, on the economic side this whole upraising and discontent started when elites tried to rob the few economic opportunities meesha ka jira, by using the government to rob the business of ina Jabuutawi and trying to cut oil deals in SSC regions. You cant rob peoples livelihoods and resources, while proving you can’t honour agreements and expect them to silently accept it.  

Every single thing you mention is far from the reality and correct morality that one would have expected from Somaliland government. 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

 first of all the Somaliland govermnet reached soe sort of understanding it never signed a legal document  where they said they agreed on something , can u show me what siilaanyo agreed with ina galaydh then we can adress that and  observe what was discussed 

[Arafaat]

Xaaji, Governments, like humans, make mistakes. Sometimes documents or laws can be poorly written, politicians make choices contrary to what was agreed or expected, administration and clerical errors are inevitable. But just as mistakes happen, it’s also important to address those past mistakes head on. 

But if one thinks that issue will dissipate by choosing denial over admittance or acceptance, sowing confusion over giving clarity, being dismissive instead of taking responsibility, then surely one has to admit that this hasn’t worked so far as it’s contrary to the laws of God, the laws of Nature and the laws of Government. 

The reason why I have kept reminding on this monumental mistake of Somaliland abandoning the Khaatumo agreement, is not to seek blame or embarrassment of the ruling elites, but it’s for Somaliland government to behave maturely, accept its own mistakes, and only after acceptance it can take responsibility and really work on solving things.

You might think what happened 6 years ago might not be relevant for todays issues and it’s solutions, but it’s exactly this institutional memory that is instrumental for better understanding and decision-making, and not latest social media cycle that one might think is determinant for understanding and solving issues.  

Somaliland signed an agreement, it was even Co-signed by both former President Siilanyo and Minister Sa’ad Ali Shire on Somaliland side containing 13 points, for exact copy of text you would need to check with those officials involved and government archived. 

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[Xaaji Xunjuf]

and what was exaclty signed that khatuumo joins Somaliland ,and that happend. what else do u want , what else can Somaliland govt do to accomidate these garaad clan. fanatatics  bal adigu no sheeg

 

what was exactly signed bal na tus documentska  naga yare dhuusada

 

[Arafaat]

4 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

and what was exaclty signed that khatuumo joins Somaliland ,and that happend. what else do u want , what else can Somaliland govt do to accomidate these garaad clan. fanatatics  bal adigu no sheeg

 

what was exactly signed bal na tus documentska  naga yare dhuusada

 

 

I wouldn’t call people who have genuine political desires fanatics, but it’s rather those that  are unwilling or unable to accept a differing point of view and whose extreme and obsessive beliefs are leading to unreasonable behaviour and even violence that are fanatics.