Ra'iisul wasaare position is being replaced

[Che -Guevara]

4 minutes ago, Aroori said:

Exactly, through time those two parties will resemble the demopublican uniparty of uncle Sam. Working for the interest of business conglomerates, tribal, and religious sects instead of the poor average somali person. 

And term limits for regional and federal executive offices.

This is a firing shot. The end product will be vastly different. But these "politicians" all have extended their terms, and maybe that was the goal.

[Che -Guevara]

 

[galbeedi]

This is the best news I heard from Mogadishu for a long time. I welcome the elimination of the prime minister position. HSM and Hamza Barre as president and vice president is a good move for the political stability of Somalia. 

The executive power must come from a single source, the president. Every nation that wants stability, progress and quick decision making is opting to  the precedential system. Israel had five elections in four years, Italy was paralyzed by proportional representation quarreling for power, so is UK. 

On the other hand, they can not decide how many parties people want to have. THey could make a minimum threshold of 5% two have a national party, but they can't deny people to join which ever party they want. 

Finally, they should consult others, the parliament and write a new constitution with referendum participated by the public before deciding things for themselves.

[Illyria]

The idea behind the PM was to counter-balance the President, and for the President to keep the balance between branches of government; that has been compromised, when Presidents usurped PM's Executive powers. Do you really think Somalia is so stable a nation, where the said fulcrum is no longer needed?

Should not such a dramatic shift be debated at first by the Legislature, two Chambers of Parliament? Are we not placing the horse before the cart?

[maakhiri1]

15 minutes ago, Illyria said:

The idea behind the PM was to counter-balance the President, and for the President to keep the balance between branches of government; that has been compromised, when Presidents usurped PM's Executive powers. Do you really think Somalia is so stable a nation, where the said fulcrum is no longer needed?

Should not such a dramatic shift be debated at first by the Legislature, two Chambers of Parliament? Are we not placing the horse before the cart?

It only brings instability to Somali government,  anything that introduces instability,  chaos , we must get rid off it.

Excellent move,I agree, with Galbeedi', one of the best reforms from Mogadishu for long time 

 

[Illyria]

10 minutes ago, maakhiri1 said:

It only brings instability to Somali government,  anything that introduces instability,  chaos , we must get rid off it.

Excellent move,I agree, with Galbeedi', one of the best reforms from Mogadishu for long time

So, by the said logic, there are extenuating forces trying to tilt the fulcrum, and instead of lending support in order to balance the said forces, you consider the solution being complete removal of the fulcrum? What is being proposed is akin to suggesting elimination of a load-bearing beam in a four-storey building. Let it crumble!

[galbeedi]

No system or government could survive  political gridlock, war with Al-shabaab and foreign involvement. A prime minister could only be effective if he has his own party at the parliament, in the current system,  an elected president is dealing with an appointed premier. Their quarrel only benefits the parliament ( those who cash in for motions against the premier), outsiders and foreign interest.

1 minute ago, Illyria said:

and instead of lending support in order to balance the said forces, you consider the solution being complete removal of the fulcrum?

It should be the parliament to check the balances and confront the executive. The only fulcrum a premier could use is when he is backed by majority party at the parliament. 

We should remember the quarrel between Farmaajo and Khayre destroyed anything they built for three years flowed by another disaster. At the moment HSM is running the system while Hamza is helping him as a manager. The excuses to fire premiers and blaming them for the failures of the president will disappear with the new system.

 

 

 

 

 

[galbeedi]

Also, we must welcome anything that speeds up the universal election of people deciding their future. 

Many oligarchs that got rich of the current system will vanish. Aaran Jaan in Garoowe and Bakaraha billionaires, UAE, Qatar and others  won't  decide the future.

The future power will shift to the South West and Jubooyinka where most people live. Shabeelaha Hoose has over a million people with seven densely populated districts. They have more people than the combined numbers of Nugaal, Mudug and Galgaduud.

One thing we should focus is monopoly of political parties. That must be rejected at all cost. 

[Illyria]

44 minutes ago, galbeedi said:

No system or government could survive  political gridlock, war with Al-shabaab and foreign involvement. A prime minister could only be effective if he has his own party at the parliament, in the current system,  an elected president is dealing with an appointed premier. Their quarrel only benefits the parliament ( those who cash in for motions against the premier), outsiders and foreign interest.

The gridlock is a property of Democracy, and defence mechanism against tyranny, but you come across as if to have missed the latter, and detest the former for its convenience, a case of unfamiliarity with that system of governance. Short memory of the history of this blighted nation. Perhaps, we should go back to the jungle rearing camels, and leave modern nation state institutions alone.

 

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It should be the parliament to check the balances and confront the executive.

Balance within the Executive at the Stakeholder level.

[Illyria]

12 minutes ago, galbeedi said:

Shabeelaha Hoose has over a million people with seven densely populated districts.

What are we basing this one? Farmers vs nomads.

[Qurac&qansax]

The authors of this daramatic shift was warning us this exact change 2 days ago before they sit down this meeting, when they argued that Puntland kama dhici karto 1p1v because layskuma waa faqsana. How on earth they reach the same conclusion that the whole Somalia can now have 1p1v, an agree that without consultation in 2 days after the same meeting…what happened during the meeting , you figured out....and that is why it is not going to work, becaue daacad ka maysan ahan, it was rushed, it is iligitimate because ma waafaqsana constitutionka.....soomali iyo fudeedkeedii, becaue it is something somali rabto, we have to accept, it is not going to cut to most people.

 

Something looks good, it doe not mean it has to be eccepted. I think it will be rejected outright, oo ay Puntland ugu horeeyso.

 

Puntland will not going to accept

(1)    in electionkeeda 8 january laga move gareeyo,

(2)     in wax aan aftir loo qaadin oo aan ku jirin dastuurka la baalmaro

(3)    In aan wax ay adagu goobjoog ka aheen saxiixiisa aqbasho

(4)    In wax aan cadeen dheeli tirka qabiil la meel mariyo.

 

Tusaale (qodobka 4 ) it is good in booska laga bixiyo pm oo vice president loo badalo. Laakiin waa in ticket oo jiraa kuwada qoran yihiin president iyo vise president before the election, si dadku u ogaadaan who are the two people on the ticket ka. Waxaa dhici karta in xassan uu election galo oo uu dhaho I will choose vise president after election, oo uu keensado biixi, will that be acceptable to putnland. Hadiise uu before the election Xasan iyo biixi ay tigidh isku soo qoraan,  markaas la doorto well and good. Marka Puntland ma ogalanayso khiyaamo noocas oo kale ah. Gobolada Meesha wax saxiixay niman wax kala og ma ahan, awalba putnland baa oppesion u aheed ayadiina Meesha way ka maqneed, meeshaan saxiisa baa layiri without even knowing what is in there. As long they get one year extension, that was all they wanted.

 

 

[Illyria]

3 hours ago, Che -Guevara said:

But these "politicians" all have extended their terms, and maybe that was the goal.

I would think so, but the question no one is asking is: where are they going to be holding these 1m1v elections?

[Game changer]

While the minority communities are expecting miracles.  The major players don't trust each other.   The Eastern kingdom will refuse any thing  proposed by the unaka leh Kingdom.  Their rivalry is an opportunity for others .  A good example is Hamza.   No one  expected  his nomination.  the northerners will also increase their efforts to take Their fair share of the pie.  

 Somalia waa mashruuc jaalayal.  the 1m 1v  scheme  is pushed by the westerners.   Somalis are generally happy with the current 4.5 system.     And those who are unhappy are either too gullible or too greedy.   For example elections are bad for woman.    No faarax would vote for Naag.  If you see Naag advocating for  elections , she doesn't know her interests.   

[Illyria]

8 hours ago, Game changer said:

While the minority communities are expecting miracles.  The major players don't trust each other.   The Eastern kingdom will refuse any thing  proposed by the unaka leh Kingdom.  Their rivalry is an opportunity for others .  A good example is Hamza.   No one  expected  his nomination.  the northerners will also increase their efforts to take Their fair share of the pie.  

 Somalia waa mashruuc jaalayal.  the 1m 1v  scheme  is pushed by the westerners.   Somalis are generally happy with the current 4.5 system.     And those who are unhappy are either too gullible or too greedy.   For example elections are bad for woman.    No faarax would vote for Naag.  If you see Naag advocating for  elections , she doesn't know her interests.   

And you said you were a warmongering  jaahil. See, yours is a better analyses than those of Galbeedi & Maakhiri combined, for theirs are the stuff of dreamers whilst yours, in this instance, is grounded on actualities.

The proposed constitutional tampering, and magical misdirection is tantamount to a coup, if political failure on the part of Federal leadership. 

[Game changer]

2 hours ago, Illyria said:

And you said you were a warmongering  jaahil. See, yours is a better analyses than those of Galbeedi & Maakhiri combined, for theirs are the stuff of dreamers whilst yours, in this instance, is grounded on actualities.

I am jaahil  but I am not entirely bilaa caqli.  The problem with the minorities is most of them are blindly ambitious. peaple like maakhiri, galbeedi or those who are from beledwayne or sool dislike their big brothers Whether we like to admit or not .  When it comes to national issues  Maakhiri Is working against the MJs  while galbeedi Is holding me by the balls.  

I don't trust the CBB  raising  laangaabs  at all.   They are more destructive.   I would rather deal with the devil himself .   Minorities rarely thinks about the consequences of their actions.