General Duke Posted December 2, 2004 Everyone knows that I support the government and the President. But I do not support what took place yesterday in the form of the naming of the cabinet. Power sharing is not what took place... when the Presidents clan [my own] gets four important ministers all that creates is mistrust. When the PM's own sub clan get two ministers Musa and Cumar Finish and whole clans are either left out or marginalised, how does this help? When Barre Hiiraale and Osman Ato represent he reconstruction of the country, who does this fill with confidence? not me The Somaliland MP's who are seen as traitors by their folks up north are rewarded by getting sport minister and something even vaguer, what is meant by this action? I got shocked last night, all of this did not make sense to me, it seems people want to raise passions. It seems the PM just wants to survive and the President has an agenda. I didnt support no hidden agenda's against anyone. No one must give to others what he would not accept, if there is no fairness then there is no new dawn. I Smith am against this shabby cabinet...... and I blame not the Ethiopians but our President and PM Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted December 2, 2004 The pigs have finally flown! I'm speechless. :eek: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saxardiid Posted December 2, 2004 Smith bro welcome back to the planet earth. The ministers reflect the parliament and the whole peace conference (appease the warlords). I think the president and the PM are very strategic about their choice and I think they are moving the right direction. The priority for this government is to achieve peace and security. That is why almost all warlords are in this fist cabinet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted December 2, 2004 Saxardiid...What warlords are in? what did they get? Why ignore the 4.5 formula? Why promote some warlords and ignore others? Brother Osman Ato is a maverick who is just biding his time, when the shitt hits the fan he will say "I told you Abdullahi hated us" This is what I am worried about, the people at large will be told "its a plot, they want to destroy us" and by looking at the minesterial sheet who can convince them otherwise? Its starnge but I cant understand it the logic behind this. It serves no tactical objective let alone strategic. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted December 2, 2004 DADKU SIDEE BEY U ARKEEN GOLIHII WASIIRRADA EE UU SOO MAGACAABAY RA’IISUL WASAARE CALI MAXAMED GEEDDI? Ma Mooddaa in dadku uu si weyn u saameeyay qaab qeybsiga 4.5 Khamiis, December 02, 2004 (HOL) Kadib markii uu shalay soo qadimay Ra’iisul Wasaare Cali Maxamed Geeddi 27 Wasiir oo ka tirsan 31 wasiir oo uu u qorsheeyay in ay ka koobnaato Xukuumadda uu madaxda ka yahay ayaa durba markii la maqlay wasaaradaha la magacaabay iyo dadka loo magacaabay waxaa bilowday guux ay isla dhex qaadeen dadweynaha Soomaaliyeed meel ay joogaanba. Muqdisho Magaalada Muqdisho dadku markiiba waxay u kala baxeen kuwo yar oo raba wax kasta oo ka soo baxa dalka Kenya xumaan iyo samaan iyo kuwo badan oo aad saluug uga muujinaya qaab dhismeedka Xukuumadda uu soo dhisay Ra’iisul Wasaare Cali Maxamed Geeddi, waxayna kuwan doodda qaba ay leeyihiin si siman oo xaq ah looma soo xulin Xukuumadda Cusub, waxaana ku jira beelaha qaarkood shakhsiyaad jufo hoose ka soo wada jeeda oo hadana wasiirro loo wada magacaabay. Sidoo kalena, waxay wax aan la qaadin karin ku tilmaameen in beesha ******* , gaar ahaan kuwa Puntland dega oo uu madaxweynaha ka soo jeedo ay qaataan in ka badan 5 wasiir oo uu ku jiro wasiirka Gaashaandhigga, halka ay jiraan beelo aanba la soo hadal qaadin oo la qadiyay. Waxaa kale oo jira guux ku saabsan in Xukuumaddan soo dhisitaankeedu ay isku duba ride ka tahay dowlad ka mid ah dowladaha deriska, waxaana taasi daliil u ah ayay leeyihiin dadkani in ay Xukuumadani u badan yihiin hoggaamiye kooxeedyadii ka wada tirsanaan jiray Golihii SRRC-da ee uu Madaxweynuhuna ka mid ahaa. Arrinta kale ee ay ku saluugayaan Xukuumaddan ayaa ah in ay noqon doonto marka ay Wasirradeeda shaqo bilaabaan kuwo ka bixi waaya is-qab qabsi iyo khilaafaad ka dhex oogma Wasiirrada dhexdooda, waayo waxaa ka mid ah Wasaaradaha la magacaabay kuwo shaqo ahaan isku soo dhawaanaya sida Wasaaradda Arrimaha Dibadda oo loo magacaabay Danjire C/llaahi Shiikh Ismaaciil, halka C/risaaq Cusmaan Xasan loo magacaabay Wasiirka Qorsheynta iyo Iskaashiga Caalamiga ah. Dabcan haddi uu Iskaashi Caalami ah meesha soo galo waxaa hubanti ah in ay Wasaaradda Arrimaha Dibadda isa saameynayaan. Sidoo kale waxaa iyana luqunta isla geli doona haddiiba ay aqbalaan Ragga loo wado Wasaaradda Arrimaha Gudaha oo kala ah Xuseen Caydiid iyo Maxamed Qanyare, kuwaasi oo la doonayo in laga gooyo Wasaarad kale oo la yiraahdo Wasaaradda Amniga. waxaan iyaguna isu dheereyn oo garabka isku haya Cusmaan Caato iyo Barre Hiiraale oo ku kala magacaaban Wasaaradda Howlaha Guud iyo Guriyeynta iyo Wasaaradda Dib u Dhiska iyo Dib u dejinta. Dabcan, Xukuumaddan oo inta aaney ka soo tegin Nairobi oo aysan Gudaha dalka soo gaarin ay mucaarado ka hor imaaneyso waxay dadku sheegayaan in ay tahay mid ku hor kuftay hankeedii, bacdamaa qaabka ay u dhisan tahay uusan ahayn midkii markii horeba lagu saleeyay aas aaska ay ku fadhido dowladda ee awood qeybsiga 4.5. Sidaas haba ahaato waxay dadku is-weydiinayaan cidda la xisaabtami doonta Xukuumad iyadii howshii fulineysa, iyadiina Baarlamaankii ah oo marna ay Xubnaheeda Fariisanayaan Hoolka Shirarka Baarlamaanka, mar kalena ay ku kulmayaan Hoolka Shirarka ee Golaha Wasiirrada. Nairobi Xildhibaan Maxamed Aadan Waayeel oo xalay u waramayay mid ka mid ah Idaacadaha Muqdisho ayaa sheegay in Golaha Wasiirrada ee la soo magacaabay aaney cadaalad ku fadhiyin, isla markaana aysan beeluhu si isku mid ah wax u qeybsan, isagoo caddeeyay in Baarlamaanku uu arrintaas ka fiirsanayo. Xildhibaanad Caasha Axmed Cabdalla ayaa iyaduna sheegtay in Baarlamaanka uu gebi ahaanba diidi doono in uu kalsooni siiyo Xukuumad aan si cadaalad ah loo xulin Xubnaheeda, waxayna Xildhibaanad Caasha meesha ka saartay in Xildhibaanada la iibsan doono oo kadibna laga ansaxsan doono. Xildhibaano iyo ergooyin badan oo fikirkan oo kale qaba ayaa iyaguna Nairobi ku sugan, kuwaasi oo gambar gaaban ugu fadhiya Xukuumadda Cusub. Baydhabo Xoghayaha Arrimaha Gudaha ee Jabhaddii RRA-da ninka lagu magacaabo Aadan Maxamed Nuur (Saransoor) oo maanta shir jaraa’id ku qabtay magaalada Baydhabo ayaa ku tilmaamay Xukuumadda la soo magacaabay mid ka mid ah Isbaheysiyadii dalka horay uga jiri jiray dalka oo sida uu yiri dagaallo ku soo kordhin doono deegaano ka mid ah dalka Soomaaliya oo haatan xasilooni ay ka jirto, wuxuuna nasiib darro ku tilmaamay in labo sano kadib mirihii ka soo baxay Shirkii Dib u Heshiisiinta Soomaalida ay noqdaan wax dagaal dalka dib uga soo cusbooneysiiya. Aadan Saransoor waxaa uu shirkiisaas Jaraa’id ka sheegay in aaney cid sheeganeysa dowladda FKMG ah aysan imaan karin deegaanada uu Ururkooda ka taliyo ee gobollada Bay iyo Bakool, isagoo dadka ka soo jeeda deegaanadaas ee dowladda ku jirana u fasaxay in ay guryahooda yimaadaan iyaga oo aanan sheeganeyn magaca dowladdaas, wuxuuna marka uu sidaan leeyahay ka jawaabayay su’aal ahayd waxa ka jira wararka sheegaya in dowladda ay imaaneyso magaalada Baydhabo haddii ay ka fursan weydo. Beledwyene Shir ka dhacay magaalada Beledweyne ee gobolka Hiiraan, isla markaana ay isugu yimaadeen beelaha gobolka wada dega ayay xubnihii ka qeybgalay waxay sheegeen in Xukuumadda la soo dhisay ay tahay mid aaney dadka Reer Hiiraan ka helin sedkii ay ku lahaayeen, wuxuuna C/llaahi Cabdi Cali (Koofi) oo ah Ku Simaha Guddoomiyaha Gobolkaas uu sheegay in si aan cadaalad ahayn wax loo soo xulay, isla markaana aan Xukuumadda lagu soo darin beelo ay lagama maarmaan tahay ku jiritaankooda Golaha Wasiirrada. Kismaayo Col. Barre Aadan Shire (Barre Hiiraale) oo ka mid ah Golaha Wasiirrada ee shalay la magacaabay ayaa magaalada Kismaayo waxaa uu Warfidiyeenada ugu sheegay in shakhsi ahaan xilka loo magacaabay uu ogol yahay qabashadiisa, balse beesha uu isaga ka soo jeedo ay saluugsan tahay in sidaas wax loogu qoondeeyo. Korneelka mar wax laga weydiiyay sida ay isku yihiin isaga iyo Madaxweyne C/llaahi Yuusuf waxaa uu ku gaabsaday in isaga iyo Madaxweynaha ay isugu dambeysay iyagoo col ah, shakhsi ahaan iyo beel ahaanba, meel ay ku heshiiyeen iyo cid heshiisiisayna aysan jirin, haseyeeshee waxaa uu xusay in uu soo dhaweynayo wixii la isugu soo dhowaanayo. Si kastaba Arrintu ha ahaatee, Xukuumadda cusub oo aan weli la soo dhameystirin, isla markaana aan kalsooni ka helin golaha baarlamaanka ayaa ah mid ay isku soo koobeen Hoggaamiyayaashii Xildhibaanada noqday ee 14-kii sano ee dalku dowlad la’aanta ahaa Isbaarada Siyaasadeed u tiilay, sidaas darteed ayay waxgarad badan oo Soomaaliyeed qabaan in sidooda loo daayo Golaha Wasiirrada ee la soo magacaabay maadaama ay iyagu horay wax kasta oo la soo dhiso ay u mucaaradi jireen, looma dhamana ay u dhihi jireen, haseyeeshee dadka fikirkan qaba waa ay yar yihiin, waxaana aad uga badan kuwa leh Hal Booliya Nirig Xalaal ah Ma Dhasho oo markii hore ayaysanba meesha si sharci ah ku imaanin Hoggaamiyayaashan oo iyaga ayaa isa soo doortay, waxayna kadib isla garteen in dowladda oo dhan ay ku koobnaato 275-ka Mudane ee uu ka kooban yahay Golaha Baarlamaanka. Salaad Iidow Xasan (Xiis) Hiiraan Online sxiis@hiiraan.com Mogadishu, Somalia Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted December 2, 2004 178 Xildhibaan oo isku diiwaan galiyey in ay ridaan xukuumada Ras´´iisal Wasaare Cali Maxamed Geedi uu dhawaan magacaabay Nairobi Sida ay sheegayaan wararka ka imanaayo magaalada Nairobi in ay socdaan is diiwaangalin ku socota si xoowli ah taasoo lagu doonaayo in lagu rido Raiisal wasaraha Cali Maxamed Geedi iyo xukumadiisa oo jirta wax kayar 48 sacadood . Mushinkaan ayaa ilaa iyo hadda is diiwaangalisay Xildhibaano kor u dhafaayo 178 xildhibaan kuwaas oo ka careysan sidii loo dhisay golaha wasiirada dhawaan la magacaabay . Ra´´iisal wasaare Cali Maxamed Geedi ayaa laga sugayaa in uu dhawaan horgeeya xukuumadiisa golaha Barlamaanka si ugu helo codka kalsoonida sagoo laga rabo in uu helo uga yaraan 138 xildhibaan taasoo ay ku adkaan doonta in uu helo cod intaas garaya madaama ay kacsan yihiin xildhibaanada intooda badan Caradaan xildhibaanada ayaa timid kadib markii leysku dheelitiri waye xukuumada oo beelaha qarna heleen wasiiro badan halka kuwa kalana ay wayeen hal wasiir oo nuxur leh taasoo shaki badan abuurtay Dhanka kale wali majiraan qancis uu qanciyey wasiirka koowaad Cali Maxamed Geedi Xuseen Ceydiid iyo Maxamed Qanyare oo wali ka jooga banaanka xukumada Beelaha ilaa iyo hadda is diiwaan galiyey waa H 49 xildhibaan Da 31xildhibaan Di 40 xildhibaan Digi 38 xildhibaan Beelaha shanaad 20 xildhibaan Isku darkooda waa 178 xildhibaan webmaster@dayniile.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blessed Posted December 2, 2004 Calm down Smithy, it's geeljire politics.I'm sure you know, nothing ever goes according to logic. This is the first of many flops. But,hey...at least there's a govenment,eh? Pray it functions beyond Nairobi. Now, Will you please start acting normal again...you have us worried Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted December 2, 2004 Now, Will you please start acting normal again...you have us worried lol, sis thanks for your concern Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saxardiid Posted December 2, 2004 Smith Dear you seem to forgetting how this whole conference came about. It was by product of the failure of Somali people to organise in civilised way. Any attempt to create new Somalia failed. The last attempt by the most civil and intellectual society failed because of the reject by the warlords. Then warlords including our own president were given chance to form parliament and government. So they did. The 4.5 and warlords dictating how to set up Somali government was wrong concept but we didn't have any other choice. Did we? President’s sub-clan got 27 MPs but all that sub clan felt bad about the number. Now it seems it is re-corrected in some ways. The priority for the president and the PM is to try and pass this cabinet through the parliament. Walaal gari laba nin kama wada qosliso. If the president pleases some corners others will get mad so lets wait and see how things settle. My own sub clan was furious about how they were treated, yet I am 100% with the president and PM knowing the difficult task they are facing every step to normalise Somalia. So comedown things will only get better. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted December 3, 2004 My own sub clan was furious about how they were treated, yet I am 100% with the president and PM knowing the difficult task they are facing every step to normalise Somalia. So comedown things will only get better. Good on you bro I like your patriotism. The government is in trouble already, the whole parliment is in uproar. Because of the shaby way he allocated the names it seems it will be difficult for it even to pass. I think the PM is creating to many enemies and giving courage to the President's already huge list of adversaries. Also dont call me dear again ok. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Libaax-Sankataabte Posted December 3, 2004 This goverment will not pass the parliament. It will be brought down as quickly as it comes to the debating floor. This is the good thing about democracy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xudeedi Posted December 3, 2004 SmithNwestern, Do you have any idea of what you talking about. You seemed to me completely confused of your political outlook. There are ten ministers that hail from Bay and Bakool and ten from "Central regions". If four ministers were given to Puntland, which is nearly half of Somalia and population nearing that of 2 and half, why would you object to such selections. There is no doubt that every major tribe was fairly represented. Now don't go into branches or faction leaders because one sub sub clan of tribe in Mogadisho has three or four of the destructive militia organizations in Somalia. The president and his prime minister did well for the selection of the ministers, and i strongly support that their government will work. In shallah. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
General Duke Posted December 3, 2004 Brother - I think you dont understand what it is Puntland needs today. We do not need 4 ministers we need peace. We need this government to work, we need the resurection of our republic. What I see is failure, confusion and clan animosity being sown for what? As far as I am concerned its wrong for any clan to be left behind or to feel left out. Remember this is supposed to be a government of healing. Remember it was supposed to be based on the 4.5 formula so it does not matter how many warlords belong to a single clan. Also brother Puntland got 6 ministers while Somaliland got 3 is that also fair, rational and good for the prospects of peace? I think Abdullahi has made it harder for himself when he chose Geedi as PM and then when he approved this cabinet. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wind.talker Posted December 3, 2004 Gun dude - Why are you surprised? I'm still shocked that we need 31 ministries! Yet, these over-fed parasites we call a Parliament want more. First, they said the PM & Cabinet should be picked from within the Parliament. What that does is NARROW PM Ghedi's selection pool. Then, when he makes his decision, they cry foul? If it were upto me, I woulda spent all the millions that was wasted on these imbecils in feeding the poor Somali populace, some of whom underwent terrible floods that destroyed whatever meager resources they had. But its not up to me or you. Bottomline: the Parliament cheated by forcing PM Ghedi to select from amongst them. If he cheated some of them back, he's right! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted December 3, 2004 I'm still shocked that we need 31 ministries! Thats a realist right there Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites