underdog Posted August 26, 2003 By Henry Makow Ph.D. July 07, 2003 We live in a culture that doesn't admit that women need sex every bit as much as men, if not more. Conservatives like to put women on a romantic pedestal. Women are virginal and sexless. Feminists deny women need men for anything. "Women are made to feel guilty for needing men," my wife said. "We're told we're weak, co-dependent or lacking in self-esteem." My 15-year-old son has also inculcated this message from TV: "Women don't need sex," he said. "They're just doing men a favor." Sex and love have become horribly confused. When religion held sway, they were inseparable (i.e. marriage.) But today "sexual liberation" has freed sex from love. It has taken love's place. Millions of men and women behave like addicts. They use sex to assuage a desperate craving for love that only it can satisfy. DESPERATELY SEEKING LOVE An "independent" movie, "The Business of Strangers" explores the effect feminism has had on modern women. Writer/director Patrick Stettner illustrates how American women have traded love for the sterility, banality and inhumanity of corporate culture. Two women are stranded overnight at an airport hotel while on a sale trip. Stockard Channing plays "Julie Styron," successful divorced 45-ish VP sales whose best friend is her secretary. Julia Stiles plays Paula Murphy, a tough 25-ish "writer" who works the overhead. The movie shows how career has supplanted family for women like Styron. Feminism promised that women could have both, but this did not work out. Forty seven per cent of 40-something women with professional degrees have no children. Only 14% of these women said they didn't want children. ("Creating a Life: Professional Life and the Quest for Children" by Sylvia Ann Hewitt) Styron is fired without warning. But she is oddly indifferent when she immediately lands an even better job as a CEO. ODE TO WASTE & FRUSTRATION In the hotel bar with Styron, Murphy recognizes Nick Harris a slick young corporate head-hunter. He is the man who raped her best friend years ago at a frat party. She lures him to Styron's suite and puts tranquilizers in his drink. After he passes out, the two women indulge in an orgy of hatred over his unconscious body. They undress him, cover him with obscene graffiti, smear blood and strike him. Both women clearly despise men. Murphy confides it was actually she who suffered the rape. However, it emerges later that Nick is a rapist in her mind only. Styron learns that he had never been to the city where the rape supposedly took place. Men are "rapists" because they are not giving women the love they need. The result is self-loathing and resentment against men. Feminism first makes women and men incompatible; then it exploits women's frustration and rage. "WHAT DOES WOMAN WANT?" Freud was unable to answer this question despite "thirty years of research into the feminine soul." Chaucer's "Wife of Bath" knew the answer: Woman wants to be loved. She'll do anything for love, even if it means becoming a feminist. Many Western women today are dysfunctional because they are getting contradictory messages. Society tells them to be "strong and independent," i.e. successful in a career. But this behaviour is masculine and makes men feel redundant. Men don't like these women. Thus women are doing what society tells them to do, yet they are not getting the male love they expect and need. Women are loved when they put their husband and children before themselves. It is feminine to self efface. Men love these women because they become part of them. I am not against a woman having a career, only putting it before marriage and family. GETTING DATING STRAIGHT A single friend characterized a typical date this way. He describes his work and seeks affirmation and respect. She describes her work and seeks affirmation and respect from him. They never see each other again. (They are already competing.) This is NOT how heterosexuals mate. Women are hypergamous, which means they seek men of higher power and status. Nurses marry doctors. On a date, a man reveals himself and his vision of life. She decides if she's interested in him or not. If she is, she affirms him by her acceptance and encouragement. In marriage, she demonstrates her love by trusting him to take care of her interests. He also affirms her by seeking her acceptance. Yes, he also wants her to be capable and successful. But his recognition and nurturing come later. All successful organizations are hierarchical. The heterosexual family is male dominated. If you wanted to destroy it, you promote equality. Our culture is doing this. THE FEMINIST TRAP It is mind-boggling but our politicians, media and educators are deliberately sabotaging society. Feminism like its Communist forebear dogmatically denies human sexual differences, such as the fact that men have 10 times the testosterone levels of women. There are over 900 Women's Studies Programs in the United States teaching impressionable young women to deny their femininity. According to "Issues in Feminism: An Introduction to Women's Studies" femininity is "patriarchal mind control." The "best slaves are the ones who don't even know they are slaves." Who authorized this indoctrination in lesbian dysfunction? Feminism is another manifestation of Communism, which was always sponsored by the international bankers and their corporate allies. Their goal is to transfer all power to a global state, which they control. By harnessing the authoritarian power of the state, Big Brother will serve Big Business. The stated goal of the Communist Manifesto is to destroy the nuclear family. People without stable families are easy to distract and control. Sex starved, isolated, and dysfunctional, the few children they have are also messed up. Last week, we learned that the U.S. birth rate is at the lowest point in history. WOMAN THE MULTIPLIER (MAN X WOMAN = CHILDREN) A woman's elaborate reproductive apparatus has a profound influence on her psyche. Each month she produces an egg and she is devoted to seeing that egg fertilized, giving birth and raising a child. On the other hand, a woman is the fertile ground for a man's spirit to grow. First she accepts his spirit. Then she accepts his seed, from which a child grows. Men need to be lovingly received and affirmed. Women need to be possessed and cultivated. This is wholeness. Their child symbolizes it. When this connection is stymied, we have arrested development. Many women become angry and psychotic like Styron and Murphy. Men have become detached and selfish. Both are obsessed with sex. The media makes women appear like remote goddesses but they are passionate sexual creatures that need committed love and direction from a man. In a true marriage, two people become one. Each complements the other. Women's strengths should not be the same as men's and vice versa. Independence is the big issue in feminist marriages. They are mergers, a pooling of assets to achieve economic and sexual synergies. The two people fail to bond and remain immature. They struggle for power and break up. CONCLUSION Heterosexual society has been under sustained psychological attack designed to arrest human development and decrease population. Feminism is the weapon of choice. It encourages women to deny their femininity and act like men. Feminine women are characterized by selflessness. They are not hunters. They are not killers. They are a little vulnerable in a worldly sense. How do men respond to them? By wanting to nurture and protect them. This is how men love. This is what women want. In "The Business of Strangers" both women have become hunters. As a result, they hate men but worse they hate themselves. Victims of a diabolical plot, they have mutated. They need a man's love in order to be themselves again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kool_Kat Posted August 26, 2003 After reading this long, long, long post, my eyes are tired and I forgot what I wanted to say...I'll come back later and post my feminist/feminin reply... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted August 26, 2003 Feminist reply????? hey I didn't post this to start an argument. It's just a point of view that makes some sense to me. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nin-Yaaban Posted August 26, 2003 Underdog that article had opened my eyes. Lets look how our beloved Soomali-culture is effected by this. Feminism is an attack on our dhaqan iyo hido. I have been saying this all along. When women come to this country, its like they think differently. I dont care if they start thinking for themselves, but it kills me to hear them saying something horrible about our dhaqan. I spoke with this women in London, UK. I was sadened to hear her insult her mother/father land. There are many other women who see through the lies of the Amerikaan (women/jew controlled media) and know that ONLY LOVE for our dhaqan iyo hido (culture/traditions) will save them. More the reasons why SOMALIYA should be a place fore PURE Soomaali dhaqan place. Macsalaam. Nabad Galyo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muxajabah Posted August 26, 2003 Nin-yaban why does eveything you post has to be about the somali dhaqan and insulting somali women, dude maybe you and your dhaqan freak screwed up brain shouldn't be discusing about dhaqan when its not called for. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
- diamond princess - Posted August 26, 2003 Muxajabah it's something I stumped on as well and realized no matter what we say to Nin-Yaaban he will alwayz speak of "dhaqaan". A word of advice hun, give up, lol, that's what I did. Back to the topic, this article makes a few good points about women's vulnerabilty. Women need to understand that we do not need to be the same as men or better when it comes to education/careers and what not. Difference is better in my eyes. For example back in the days women were the mothers/house wives/nurtures and men were the workers/money-bringers. As you can see they did had nothing similar like it is now were men can be the house helpers and women can be the workers. Because of this new change women wanna be better then men all the time. And men don't know what to do because of this. Our needs have changed and therefore love changed. Now love all it seems to be is sex, sex and more sex. Women are the toys and men are the ones who are the sexual enjoyers. I think I'm babling on now. I should stop. I will come back later and sum up what the hell I was talking about. I hope I didn't confuse you guys. Cause I myself have become confused. P.S. I advice you not to drink three cups of coffee in an hour. :confused: .:peace n luv:. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted August 27, 2003 diamond Princess, When you come back to "sum" things up, here are some questions I had. As you can see they did had nothing similar like it is now were men can be the house helpers and women can be the workers. Because of this new change women wanna be better then men all the time. What Changed? Our needs have changed and therefore love changed. Now love all it seems to be is sex, sex and more sex. Who's needs changed? Womens? what were they before and what are they now? Women are the toys and men are the ones who are the sexual enjoyers I really want to know what this statement is based on. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCORPION_SISTA Posted August 27, 2003 hmmm reading this article there are things which were stated that made sense and i believed in...but at the same time, i couldn't get off the feeling that the conclusion built on couple of correct statement was wrong...I believe it's very hard to establish that "love" from a man is what every woman needs...I am not a feminist, not in some definitions, but there are ideals i do share with it...At the same time, i also know myself that i am a person who does need a partner in life, yet if another "feminist" woman had opposing feeling to that, it's her right...As to hunter vs. nurturer it's all conditioned responses or desires...Sometimes those elements depend on the one's own sitution or conditions and often have nothing to do with free choice...In the end, every view point is intresting and have always valid points but i don't personally agree with the conclusion of this article...bee bye Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xafsa Posted August 27, 2003 There are some things in this article that made some sense. We women have yet to learn to balance a career and children. The mistake that is made often times is that having children or getting married is going to complicate things....but thats another topic for another time. Addressing that "fact" that women don't need sex....all I can do is laugh!!! One thing I've noticed is that men don't really understand what faminism is all about...I men true femenism...not the " don't open the door for me I can do it myself" type. But the type that is really trying to make the women themselves realize that there is nothing they can't do for themselves. Its all about educating the females and not "hating" men! True feminist realize that men and women DO need each other....their union is the foundation of life on earth...with out it where would the human race be today? The way I see it there aren't alot feminst in this world....just wanna bes that have lost their way. I don't understand where the movie in the article comes to play in all of this? :confused: 1luv Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted August 27, 2003 I think he uses the movie as an example of a young and old woman who both chose career over family... I personally think that was a lost point in the article. But it does raise questions. especially questions of roles. who does what? Man builds a house, woman makes a home. is there something wrong with that? is the woman who chooses to raise her children and husband less of an acheiver than the woman who succeeds in business and science? Maybe I'm blind to goals of the feminist movement...can someone help me out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
- diamond princess - Posted August 27, 2003 Okay Underdog, I'll tell you what changed the roles of men and women have become eqaul. Meaning men can do what women can and vise versa. Because of that women have this idea that they don't need men because they are capable of what a man can do. As for your second question both men and womens needs changed. Women and men use to consider "Sex" as something that happens when two people fall inlove and unite. Now both men and women don't consider love as the after come of sex. It's basically sex is the after come of children. Love has become something as a myth now. It's hard for people to fall inlove with all these demands on the opposite sex like a nice body and so on. Do you get where I'm going with this? Ah never mind then. Lol. As for the last statement, goodness I don't know where I got that from. I'm sorry about that statement if had offended you guys. Yesturday I didn't feel like myself. .:Anywayz Much Love:. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SCORPION_SISTA Posted August 27, 2003 hmmm now that i am eating and hopefully i am gaining my thinking faculties...i had the thought that the title of this topic "Sexual Deprivation" isn't really the same as "role of men and women" plus "love"...I mean the author starts it off with how wommen need love but then goes into love and family and role...Is he associating all those elements with sex...Cause to me, sex can exist without love or marriage or even clear definition of who is the boss...As to women needing men for sex come on that might be the case anywhere else than america. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
underdog Posted August 27, 2003 I interpreted it to be that in the correct sense love is acheived when the woman accepts the man and nurtures his growth as she nurtures the growth of her children. The author makes a connection that men show love by providing and protecting and women by nurturing. Sex, in that context, becomes an expression of their love. He goes on to imply that now sex is just a practice for pleasure - which is true considering the size of the adult industry and mainstream contraceptives - but the main point ( as understood it) is that the union is broken the women can get their sex with out the love or committment. The example of the movie comes in where you have an aging successful woman with a great career with no family and no children...she has so much and yet has nothing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SomeAlien Posted August 27, 2003 Maybe I'm blind to goals of the feminist movement...can someone help me out? equal rights basically. men can be feminists too, you know. its not anti-men in any way, at least its not supposed to be. but, generally people have a hard time holding two contradicting thoughts in their heads at the same time, so they come up with their own biased conclusions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Conscious Manipulation Posted August 27, 2003 asalaamu alayikum, Folks, I really don't even understand why the feminist movement is an issue for us. We're Muslims, our way of life is Islam and Islam defines the role of each gender so there's no confusion. The rights of women were defined by The Creator long before the feminist movement was ever conceived. What could it possibly have to offer us that Islam can't? I think this is something we should really discuss. salaam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites