False predictions...

[General Duke]

The anti governemnt coalition, have always tried to downplay the acheivement and the opportunity for success, of the Somali govenrment from inception.

 

1. All major stakeholders of Somalia took part in the peace processes held in Kenya and which led to the creation of this parliment and government. When certain groups lost the electon they started to propogate false news, such as this was not an all includive process, and that it was "Ethiopian" led even though it was held in Nairobi and had the support of the whole international community notably IGAD, the AU as well as the Arab league.

 

2. When the government was formed they said " It will not be able to relocate" yet it did and successfully so.

 

3, When the governemnt moved back to Somalia, they highlighted that it was split and predicted it will never unite. The Adan agreement brought a end to the divisionw ithin the TFG.

 

4. Many predicted that the combined strength of the warlords and clan courts would deny the TFG access to the capital. With the removal of both groups the TFG has access to the capiatal as well as other important southern regions.

 

5. Their latest prediction is of a strong Iraq & Afganistan like insurgency, however this is just another false prediction as the clan courts movement was never anything comparable to the nationalistic and religious movements of Iraq and Afghanistan. Again another false prediction

[RedSea]

^No one thought that they were that bad.I mean in bringing Xabashis.They were delivered to the Capital on Ethiopian tanks although they were uninvited guests.

 

Without Xabashis could they have accomplish anything? you already know the answer,it's in your head.What is it?

 

I hope you realize that this so called TFG isn't functioning yet,its' matter of time,before they are their party ends along with its master,the Xabashi.

 

It hasn't accomplish anything thus far,daba dhilif ex-warlord is the 'president' of villa somalia,even under the Ethiopian guards,he can' move around.

 

I am sorry,but waxan dawlad lama yidhaahdo.I know your uncle is in there and everything,but sorry to disapoint you,it's not going anywhere. :rolleyes:

[General Duke]

^^^The tanks and the armour from Ethiopia was nothing compared to the Eritrean, oromo and outside support for the courts, thus the truth is that one ally defeated another.

 

As for the government it is real, has elected its new speaker working and in control. Though your clan centric psyche which tells you are Ahlu-Bait will not let you realise the truth.

 

Instead you make another false prediction, Puntland is stable, so is Somaliland, so will the south be insha Allah, there is nothing speial about that area..

[Fiqikhayre]

^Not to mention his belief in Shiite fairy-tales Duke!

 

Their predictions are flaud to say the least and the most of the funnies is their comparison on the situation on the ground to Iraq!

 

Somalia is a very scarsely populated country where clan is very much used i.e. the same clan's settle in the same area and everyone is known by his nick and father's nick name and their sub-sub-sub clans, so there is no confusion there!

 

On the other hand there ain't no other dynimics like in Iraq, Somalis are 100% Sunni if we excuse Saylici from that statistic and also 100% followers of the shaafici madhab, so there are no religious differences nor ethic or language barriers!

 

On the other hand Somalis are very talk active and no one in Somalia can keep a secret, because it is a well known fact that clan based societs are very bad in secret-keeping because everyone is telling someone which is going to result in every Somali getting to know the secret because Somalis are connected, through blood-relations and marriage!

 

So there can be no secrets in Somalia! We hope for everything working out smoothly inshallah! This is our last opportunity and we shall not let it slip from our hands inshallah!

 

Victory for the TFG inshallah!

[Xargaga]

MR Yoonis it seems your analysis contradicts

the basis of your argument. Because with that analysis then Somalis would automaticaly fail the standard of being a nation once again. If at all we cant keep secrets then we will never have functional intelegence entities, which are fundamental to any sovereign state. And if we are going to govern ourselves on clanistic basis as reflected in the TFG 4.5 then that too is a recipe to failure. Believe me the system that would govern the noble Somali Nation is islamic Sharia. And only if the UIC would have persued moderate path things would have been different. Unfortunately they were overwhelmed by Euphoric Ilitrate and semi ilitrate individual Who Chose fanaticism and self engradization. All in All Lets Hope for the best. And peace is the best.

[Fiqikhayre]

nabadshe I like your style brother! Always objective wish is a welcoming sight from the trivial and embarrassing expert predictions of the wishful few!

 

I agree with you the sentiments of us not being able to keep secrets was our downfall because the biggest epidemic that we face right now is how we can get away from the stage of clannism to a stage of we were appreciate our statehood more than our clans!

 

I agree with you entirely that Islaam is the best option and that the UIC if it was actually made up by people, who had the interests of the people at heart and the intelligence and charisma to lead to nation out of this dark ages then I would welcome them in playing a key role but unfortunately they did not have the intelligence nor the religious understanding and knowledge to grasp the reality of the situation and that of the horn of africa!

 

This so-called Islamic revolutions fail everytime and that is because they don't follow the sunnah nor do they have a political understanding of the situation the country world find itselfs in!

 

They could play it very smartly and press the government to implement sharica law in full and properly, so that they could be put in charge of the judicial system of the country!

 

Then they could engage in educating the masses and slowly emerging is a political force to be reckon with after our disputes have been settled but not whilst we're divided! We need to cleanse the hearts of the Somali people from the xasad and the qurun that is in their heart which manifestes itself in clannism or qabyaalad the most disgusting and lowest a human-being can reach!

 

nabadshe we were not ready nor did we have the resources and to kill many young Somalis for futile revolutions is a major sin I believe! Islaam says ready yourself for your enemies adequately and organise yourself and fear Allaah so that you might get victory from him!

 

But we weren't pure ourselves nor were we adequate prepared, the whole thing was simply in a shambles! This is not the way, they should have saved this battered nation and its young from further blood and hardship, how egoisitic to take a brutalised and bruised nation to a war ill prepared, ill-equipped and with a lack of military experties! Don't you think that it was mad, utterly madness!

 

You see nothing is perfect only utopians strife for perfection but what we need now is the survival our nation, today it's not about NFD, OG-land or Djibouti but the survival of Somalia and how to prevent it's people from dying and extiction! After a purification and teaching process will we be ready inshallah, the Ulama or UIC should have set for that the future of our country and start educating the youngsters in obeying their rulers as long as they didn't go against the Quraan and Sunnah and after the populance is ready assume power with the help of the people through legal means or through the desire of the whole nation, that is once we recovered from the fawdo, fitn and dowlad la'aan!

 

Remember the battle of Uhad? The prophet peace be upon him left and stationed a small group of archers on the mountain of Uhud in order to prevent the Quraish cavalry from attacking the muslims and the believers from behind!

 

After seeing the Quraish flee and the victory being 'secured' some 38-40 of the group of 50 that has been placed on the hill have left it in order to engage in the bounty-hunting and the taking of 'sovenouirs' and war trophies!

 

But guess what after their disobedience the cavalry of the Quraish lead by Khalid bin Waleed may Allaah be pleased with him saw it and because all day they couldn't attack from behind because of the archers they saw a opportunity and grapped it as the majority of the archers left to the battlefield to take some bounty!

 

They managed to attack the muslims from behind and give them the worst possible defeat with over 70 shaheeds and many wounded and even dying later of their wounds!

 

Why because of their disobediece and not listening to orders and each other, that's why the reason, so how can a group of guys who seemigly seem to only know how to argue ever establish a Islamic rule in our country!

 

One group of companions was once defeated because they neglected the tooth-brush, so what about a group of muslims who set out for Jihaad but who are predominatly made up of murderes, clannists, rapists, people who have committed atrocities of all sort and drug addicts? Can those folks bring back Islaam without purifying them and teaching them about Islaam proper because many things have enterd their belief systems that isn't from Islamic traditions basiclaly invations so they need to be taught and re-educated in the whole religion and they must make towbah!

 

We as Somalis need to do towpah repentence to Allaah as a whole nation because what we did is far from Islamic or Islaam! We did the unbelievable and we must return to Allaah and ask for his forgiveness! That's the only way out but to go on a Jihaad whilst being ideologically opposed to each other and full of arguments and the majority of your foot soldiers are former murderers and rapists will not be able to establish an Islamic state!

 

There is a process to follow and now the option left for us is to accept the reality and work for the TFG because remember every nation only gets the rulers it deserves, so our leaders are a reflection of ourselves only an extention of it, so let's work for the greater benefit and strive for eduacting our people and taking the qurun, xiqdi and qabyaalad out of our hearts and that of the upcoming and young generations!

 

We could a gread service for Islaam ourselves by helping the dawah back home but by calling for futile revolutions we're actually doing a disservice to our religion, I say let's work with what we have got and let's hope for the best and inshallah the future will be brighter much brigher because we then during peace can work to spread the dawah and the true meaning of Islam more effictevily and inshallah the people will embrace it and thus the leadership will aslo reflect it, then can we choose our leaders but the only way no to get out of this evil cylce is to work with what we got and repent to Allaah, spread the dawah and everything will come from its own as we put our trust in our creator!

 

Actually by making small mistakes many things will not be accepted! There is no Islaam without justice and sincerty and Allaah will not aid an unjust person, group or organistioans even if they pray all day and all night because to be muslim one must be just and prevent everything perceived harmful to the soul and relgion the smallest mistake because if not careful Allaah will leave them to their own devices which will certainly result in their demise and their humiliation by kaafirs as seen!

 

I appeal to the concsious let's work with this government and help laying the fountains and monuments to build a better house for us and our children and a better tommorrow inshallah!

 

People should use their common sense rather listening to ignronant folks who want more bloodshed and destruction to unfold on this nation of ours!

 

We suffered, died and hungered enough! Every governemt is better than no goverment! Even a bad government is better than no government so lets support to find a final solution to our problems inshallah or atleast to get us out of this darkest hours of ours inshallah!

 

That's the way to go inshallah and may Allaah lead the rest of our people to it aswell. Amiin.

[Fabregas]

Quote:The tanks and the armour from Ethiopia was nothing compared to the Eritrean, oromo and outside support for the courts, thus the truth is that one ally defeated another.

 

20 000 or more Ethiopian troops

 

Ethiopian Jets and helicopters

 

American Inntelligence which pinpointed all the positions for the Ethiopians to Bomb

 

American Airstrikes

 

Americans soldiers on the ground

 

The Americans blocked the Indian Ocean to stop supplies getting in to the ports.

 

Kenya blocked the border and probably has soldiers on the ground.

 

 

Either you are a complete and utter liar, no disrespect, or you are misleading ppl with this Allpuntland.com propoganda Which one is it?

 

To say that the support the islamic courts where getting from "Eriteria" or "Oromos" is a gross overexaggeration at best.

 

They might have been a few oromos(wadaads) fighting here and there.But there was no military organisations helping the islamic courts.Zenawi has been unable to prove his allegations as of yet.

 

As for Eriteria, did you know America is allowed to use it's airpspace anytime it likes for free?

 

Sudan and Eriteria may act all tough for their people but believe me the Americans know where they stand.All these Arab States that are said to have supported to the islamic courts are probably all glad that the courts where defeated.There are islamist organisations attempting to overthrow them even in "Eriteria" there is an armed islamic movement.

 

Lastly to say that Eriteria lost a "proxy" is ridiclous nonsense at best.Eriteria knows Ethiopia very well.They have their men at Badame, they don't need the islamic courts.Their people are capable of defeating Zenawi once again even though he had support from Britain,Israel and the U.S.A

 

To break it down for you the islamic courts where defeated by "ETHIOPIA" backed by the rest of the world.

 

Abdullahi yusuf did what he always knew best,dial the Ethiopians when the going gets tough.

 

The fairly tale was that "there are no Ethiopian troops" which you yourself said.............

 

I thought it was a "fairy tale" that there where Ethiopians or where they "magical advisors".

 

Waxay Somalidu ku mah mah daa

 

"Nin Kale Xiniinyihiisa lagumo faano".

 

In other words "Don't brag about another mans bulls".

[Castro]

Originally posted by General Duke:

^^^The tanks and the armour from Ethiopia was nothing compared to the Eritrean, oromo and outside support for the courts, thus the truth is that one ally defeated another.

Possibly the greatest and most shameless lie told in this forum.

 

Pathetic and reprehensible.

[Peacenow]

A good post from Abu_Geeljire

[Faarax-Brawn]

The tanks and the armour from Ethiopia was nothing compared to the Eritrean, oromo and outside support for the courts, thus the truth is that one ally defeated another.

Goodness! Duke is definetly P.A.I.D

[Captain Xalane]

Possibly the greatest and most shameless lie told in this forum.

Same old wails of desperation from the defeated lot!

[Socod_badne]

You guys are being unfairly harsh on Duke. There's some truth to his line.

 

Sensational news is coming out of Mogadishu regarding findings that show possible foriegn aid to ICU. TFG's Bureau of Investigations has uncovered incontrovertible evidence of Oromo complicity in the form of hundreds of explosives laden cows... ostensibly to serve as smart ordinance delivery systems.

 

 

In another explosive finding, the TFG investigators discovered disassembled Eritrean SU-27 hiden away in people's backyard berkads. Clear evidence that shows Eritrean fingerprints on the crime scene.

 

And of course who could deny arab influence but rabid ICU idealogues? C'mon now, how do explain the gulf between ICU proclamations and their subsequent behaviour without arabs having something to do with it. Only Arabs are widely known to talk boastfully but cut and run when they sense the heat around the corner. ICU capitualtion can only be imputed to their arab connections.

 

Stay tuned. More tantalizing discovers remain. The TFG assures the people of Somalia that this is a matter of utmost national urgency and they will not abate in the quest for truth until all options are exhausted.

[Fanisha]

Originally posted by Captain Xalane:

quote:Possibly the greatest and most shameless lie told in this forum.

Same old wails of desperation from the defeated lot!

Waryaa iska hadloow ina yigire ma Genaral beenaalaad difaacaysaa? :rolleyes:

Walee waa yaabka yaabkiis!

[General Duke]

Abu Geeljire, the Ethiopians dont have more than 8,000 troops the number of AU that the TFG has requested to replace them. The figures you give is some what exagerated and fits in well with the analysis of the defeated groups.

 

The fact that Eritrea, Oromo and the foreign backers misled the clan courts into a false sense of security does not bother me one bit.

 

Hasan Turki [the honest one] admited to having foreign support when he took over Kismayu, we have seen how angry, devestated and out of his mind the President of Eritrea is getting by the day. Is he angry because he wanted to bring about an Islamic state?

 

Now the new infintile line is that Somalia will be like Iraq That is comical to say the least, Somalia has more security today than a month ago. All 15 regions outside Somaliland are in the TFG hands.

[General Duke]

Not to mention his belief in Shiite fairy-tales Duke!