Arms embargo to be lifted??

[Gabbal]

That is what is making Horn and the JVA partners here nervous...

I cannot believe you actually wrote that. I seriously cannot.

 

Duke I think you are duly misinformed about you everything you wish to report on. Meeshay ku geyso aynu aragno.

[Thierry.]

The fact that one is prides him self with possible air land support from the west to try to suppress a popular Islamic movement just about sums up g duke and NN.

What he fails to point out is that the warlords that have fled under the wing fragile TFG had very sophisticated arsenal yet they are crying for mercy today.

When you got a popular uprising no amount of weapons can stop (just ask the re-emergence of the Taliban).

 

The battle is about heart and minds if I take a leaf out G bush book and it is one that the TFG is badly losing.

 

I should hope for the TFG case that they ask for forgiveness, hand over the warlords that fled so that they can be punished for their crimes.

If they don’t the meting in Khaltoum might be their last one. Baidoa needs the IUC for business, security and Faith.

[Allamagan]

Originally posted by General Duke:

^^^ That in the end is what the courts and their fellow warlords always cried about. That is what is making Horn and the JVA partners here nervous...

You're just being contrary, huh? Easy adeer.

[Abu-Salman]

Why the TNG will remain weak even despite massive support?

 

Yusuf record in Puntland, especially when he destitued the elected president by force, and more generally his utter lack of consistency ( a former Marxist)other than power lust is largely acknowledged by

his Puntland fellow citizen.

 

Likewise the widespread accusations of human rights violations by international sources, Puntland mismanagement as well as corruption charges.

 

To add insult to injury, warlords like Aideed hold key positions in the cabinet...

[Paragon]

Sometimes I cannot help but smile at the sheer ineptitude of some folks in this forum. Lol. Just how does what applies to the TFG cannot apply to the ICU? Who actually enforces regulatory policies with regards to the lifting of the embargo? Once the gates are open, all hell will break loose. Whatever the TFG arms gets, others would get an equal measure. The United Nations would in turn regret its decision. So the dream that if the embargo is lifted the TFG will make a functioning government is wishful thinking. No one will gain a dime from such wishful thinking. C.Yussuf and his supporters have an opportunity to make peace and a sustainable government, they shouldn't mislead themselves by opting for war.

[Thierry.]

Predictions step by step

 

1. Khartoum will be a failure not because of the courts but because of the TFG

2. Baidoa will be seized by the courts

3. Pres Yusuf and possibly PM Geedi and his warlord gang will escape perhaps to Ethiopia

4. The unfortunate remaining MP’s of the parliament will join the courts and the they will go back to where people have wanted to go for the last 2 years Moqdisho

5. The government will be declared NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE.

6. The exiled leaders (by name) call for the immediate deployment of troops to Somalia; the International organisation will take a conservative stand waiting for the outcome and the next step of the courts.

7. The remaining the courts, the remaining MP’s and intellectuals from abroad will consult each other.

8. Fresh elections will be declared

9. A new interim government immune from international factors will be born.

 

I am not a fortune teller and every thing is down to the Qadar of Allah.

 

This is some critical moments for the leadership within the TFG their next few steps are crucial either they will be digging the graves of their political careers or they make some serious concessions.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

Sometimes I cannot help but smile at the sheer ineptitude of some folks in this forum. Lol. Just how does what applies to the TFG cannot apply to the ICU? Who actually enforces regulatory policies with regards to the lifting of the embargo? Once the gates are open, all hell will break loose. Whatever the TFG arms gets, others would get an equal measure.

Talk about confused people. All factions will be able to get whatever they used to get, this will not change. proposed exemptions will only ably to the TFG, because if there is a country willing to suppply factions like the ICU, they would have done that already regardless of embargos but there is no such country. With help, the TFG would be better able to patrol Somali Airspace, sea and roads. As for "Once the gates are open, all hell will break loose. Whatever the TFG arms gets, others would get an equal measure", not exactly. Their would be a TFG or an African Solder with a big stick on the other side the gate who would beat any unauthized trespassers.

[Gabbal]

^the sheer IGNORANCE (not an insult here pal)!

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

OK, we all think the other side is ignorent or confused, lets call it a day and agree to disagree.

[Fiqikhayre]

Djib-Somali, I cannot let past your character-assassination of the President!

 

Talk about him, critizise him but please never ever fabricate lies about him.

 

I've to defend my fellow muslim brother from your bad description and lies you labelled him with.

 

You can accuse him on many things but one thing he isn't and never was that is your accussation of him being a 'marxist'. A blantant lie! President Abdullahi Yusuf was never ever a marxist Djib!

 

He even boasts in his numerous audio messages and speeches, that he was sent to the Soviet Union with some other folks! He talked about him praying, whilst people like Abdiqassim used to be marxist and didn't pray! Now this same folks, have become very 'religious' folks, that think they're closer to the religion and god then anyone else in this world!

 

Abdullahi Yusuf isn't/wasn't in any way or form a pragmatist or some one who lacked consistency, on that you lied aswell.

 

Corruption isn't either something Abdullahi Yusuf indulges himself. He doesn't even own one property in Puntland with his name on it!

 

Yes, the people who surround him are corrput and very much opportunisitic but he's a man of principle. Even at the presidential election, he was calling out for Hassan Abshir Farah, who is a well-known pragmatist and opportunist to rally support and distribute the money. He would call him constantly, one week before the elections and Hassan Abshir being in the UAE, to hurry up and 'open up' things for him! He used to say 'where's the munaafaq (hypocrite)', directing his speech to Hassan Abshir because everyone knows Hassan is someone if the price is right, you can take with you!

 

I'm not blinded but I hate, when people tell lies about others, so I assume you don't even know his character or persona Djib!

 

You can accusse him of many things like being power-hungry and greedy, someone who prides himself (too much pride), someone who things he knows everything, being talkactive and very rude!

 

Likeing to surround himself with ignorant folks, so he can 'teach' them and when he feels threatened by them assassinate them. Yes, Abdullahi isn't someone, who takes such issues very lightly. If he has to kill, then he will do it even, when it means killing his own family.

 

Accusse him of killing his in-law (his wifes brother), his collegue Abdirahman Aydid and Sultan Hurre etc. Other political rivals or people, who he regarded as a threat but he's not a moron.

 

He hates chaos, anarchy and generally can't stand certain actions that are perceived by him of being anti-dhaqan tradition and culture. He's a man from the older generation, who like to boast and pride himself don't blame him but blame the enviroment he hails from!

 

He hates anarchy because he's a harden military man, who expects nothing less of discpline. He likes to give orders and to be listened to. Generally speaking in the last days, he has become an oday Somali, who really wants to find a solution to Somalias problems!

 

Therefore please abstain from false accussation and the labelling of people, who do not deserve to be lied about Djib!

[RedSea]

assalamu calaykum,

 

First and foremost, lifting the arms embargo on Somalia will not benefit anyone, it will only feul flames. If there is anything that Somalia doesn't need today is more weapons. There are already weapons in every corner of the Somali republic. So if the arms embargo is lifted, the TFG will become stronger therefore bringing law and order to the whole country? is that your anaylsiz Duke? what a insane way to look at things, the fact is, it doesnt' matter how much weapons that the TFG gets if let say the embargo is lifted, it still can't get anything that way and will only trigger more voilence in the country. However, what the TFG should worry about is trying to take care of basic things which it hasn't done, such as bringing food and providing water, medical supplies to the civilians that it was elected to serve for.

 

Naxar Nugaaleed,

 

Besides what is under Puntland control and the TFG, everything else comes under the courts with the exception of further South in Kismayo which is controlled by Barre Hiiraale who has been willing to work with the so called elected government. There can be disarment without the need of arms embargo being lifted and without the need of outside force to intervene to do the disarment. The courts are willing to hold any sort of talks with the TFG, there is no more powerful group than the courts rightnow,so there you have it. If the most powerful group said they are willing to sit down and reach agreement peacefully, then why do you think it's necessary for the arms embargo to be lifted in order to disarm certain group? If the arms embargo are lifted and Abdullahi Yusuf tries to use his newly acquired weapons against the courts, then he can kiss his current post good bye as well as the whole TFG. So be careful what you wish for my friends, the warlords flexed their muscles and thought they could wipe out the courts, but they were in turn wiped out. The same can be said about Abdullahi Yusuf so called government. He won't know what hit him if he takes that step.

 

Mr. Duke, just because Horn hails from tribe x doesn't give anyone the authority to associate him with a worlord Hiiraale. Be respectiveful my friend and don't associate a decent human being with a killer. That is my advice to you.

 

Sakhar, is Abdulahi Yusuf a Muslim, I thought he belong in the faith of warlordism? that is a news to me.

 

assalamu Calaykum.

[Fiqikhayre]

Sakhar, is Abdulahi Yusuf a Muslim?

Blantant takfiir! Alla illaahayo caaq hanala dhigin!

[General Duke]

As for the Arms embargo issue, NN, and the Shiekh have covered all the areas. Horn's opposition highlights only what he wishes for, he knows that things will change when the TFG gets the support it requires to equip its troops.

 

Here is the latest news on this topic...

 

U.N. council opens door to peacekeepers in Somalia

By Irwin Arieff

 

UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The U.N. Security Council on Thursday expressed for the first time its willingness to consider a long-delayed deployment of foreign peacekeepers in Somalia.

 

Council support for a "peacekeeping support operation" proposed for the lawless Horn of Africa state by the African Union and the seven-nation regional Inter-Governmental Authority on Development, or IGAD, is crucial as troops could not go in unless the council first eased a 1992 arms embargo.

 

A statement read by French Ambassador Jean-Marc de la Sabliere, the council president for July, said the 15-nation U.N. body "states its willingness" to consider such a peacekeeping operation if it feels it would contribute to peace and stability in Somalia.

 

The statement, drafted by Britain, also expressed the council's readiness to ease the arms ban to enable Somalia's shaky Transitional Federal Government to develop its own security forces.

 

Somalia's deputy U.N. ambassador, Idd Beddel Mohamed, welcomed the statement, saying it marked the first time the council had accepted "a request from a legitimate government in Somalia to partially lift the arms embargo so it can establish its security forces."

 

He said the declaration sent a message to militant Islamists who captured Mogadishu on June 5 "that they are not a legitimate and responsible actor in Somalia."

 

The Islamists oppose letting in foreign peacekeepers, although interim President Abdullahi Yusuf says they are needed to get his government on its feet and pacify the country.

 

Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has denounced letting in foreign troops as part of a crusade against the Muslim world.

 

Somalia has had no real central authority since 1991.

 

The Western-backed interim government was formed in neighbouring Kenya in 2004 with help from IGAD. It is based in Baidoa, 150 miles (240 km) northwest of Mogadishu, because it was too weak to set up in the former capital.

 

Council action on the proposal for foreign peacekeepers had been stalled for weeks over internal divisions. The United States had been hesitant to embrace the idea of easing the arms embargo, while China had argued this was merited by the need for a peacekeeping mission.

 

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[General Duke]

Security Council

SC/8773

 

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Department of Public Information • News and Media Division • New York

 

Security Council

 

5486th Meeting* (PM)

 

 

Security Council expresses support for somalia’s transitional government,

 

 

parliament; says prepared to consider exemption to 1992 arms embargo

 

 

The Security Council this afternoon expressed its support for the Transitional Federal Government and Transitional Federal Parliament of Somalia as “the internationally recognized authorities to restore peace, stability and governanceâ€, and expressed its readiness to consider an exemption to the 1992 arms embargo in order to pave the way for deployment of a peace support mission and help facilitate the re-establishment of the country’s national security forces.

 

 

In a presidential statement read by Council President Jean-Marc de la Sablière ( France), the Council also stated its willingness to consider possible deployment of a peace support mission on the basis of a detailed mission plan from the Intergovernmental Authority for Development (IGAD) or the African Union.

 

 

The Council welcomed the ceasefire agreement reached 22 June in Khartoum between the Transitional Federal Parliament of Somalia and the Islamic Courts. It condemned the recent fighting in Mogadishu and requested all parties to adhere to the ceasefire and requested all parties inside and outside of Somalia to refrain from action that could provoke violence and violations of human rights and endanger the ceasefire.

 

 

Expressing its grave concern at the deteriorating humanitarian situation in the country, it demanded that all Somali leaders ensure complete and unhindered humanitarian access, as well as providing for the safety and security of the humanitarian aid workers in Somalia.

 

 

The meeting, which started at 3:09 p.m., was adjourned at 3:15 p.m.

 

 

Presidential Statement

 

 

The full text of presidential statement S/PRST/2006/31 reads as follows:

 

 

“The Security Council reaffirms all its previous statements and resolutions concerning the situation in Somalia, in particular the statement by its President of 15 March 2006 (S/PRST/2006/11).

 

 

“The Security Council reiterates its commitment to a comprehensive and lasting settlement of the situation in Somalia and its respect for the sovereignty, territorial integrity, political independence and unity of Somalia, consistent with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations.

 

 

“The Security Council reiterates its strong support for the Special Representative of the Secretary-General, Mr. François Fall. The Security Council encourages Ambassador Fall and other UN agencies and offices to actively engage in the region to promote peace and stability. It calls upon all Member States to provide him their full support in this regard.

 

 

“The Security Council supports the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) and Transitional Federal Parliament (TFP) as the internationally recognized authorities to restore peace, stability and governance to Somalia. It notes the importance for stability in Somalia of broad-based and representative institutions and of an inclusive political process, as envisaged in the Transitional Federal Charter (TFC).

 

 

“The Security Council welcomes the agreement reached in Khartoum on 22 June between the TFG and the Islamic Courts, sent to the Presidency of the Security Council on 29 June 2006 (S/2006/442). The Security Council commends the League of Arab States (LAS) for facilitating the talks. The Security Council condemns the recent fighting in Mogadishu and requests all parties to adhere to the ceasefire agreed on 22 June. In this regard, the Security Council emphasizes the importance of dialogue between the Transitional Federal Institutions (TFIs) and the Islamic Courts.

 

 

“The Security Council therefore urges all parties involved in this dialogue to engage constructively at the next round of talks scheduled for 15 July, where it looks forward to further progress in pursuit of a lasting political process.

 

 

“The Security Council requests all parties inside and outside of Somalia to refrain from action that could provoke or perpetuate violence and violations of human rights, endanger the ceasefire and political process, or further damage the humanitarian situation.

 

 

“The Security Council expresses its grave concern at the deteriorating humanitarian situation in Somalia, and demands that all Somali leaders ensure complete and unhindered humanitarian access, as well as providing guarantees for the safety and security of the humanitarian aid workers in Somalia.

 

 

“The Security Council commends the African Union (AU) and the Inter-Governmental Authority for Development (IGAD) for their continuing efforts to promote peace and stability in Somalia and the region. The Council notes their meetings of 19 June and 28-29 June 2006, and welcomes the role of the AU/IGAD/LAS and European Union fact-finding mission to Somalia on 5-7 July 2006 in promoting peace, stability and a political process.

 

 

“The Security Council welcomes the meeting of the Heads of State and Government of the AU in Banjul on 5 July 2006, and notes that meeting’s request for the Security Council to consider an exemption to the arms embargo imposed on Somalia by resolution 733 (1992) of 23 January 1992, to pave way for a possible deployment of a Peace Support Mission (PSM) and to help facilitate the re-establishment of the national security forces of Somalia.

 

 

“The Security Council states its willingness, if it judges that a PSM would contribute to peace and stability in Somalia, to consider the above request for a PSM, on the basis of a detailed mission plan from IGAD or the AU.

 

 

“The Security Council welcomes the fact that the TFG and the TFP were able to agree on 14 June 2006 to adopt the National Security and Stabilization Plan for Somalia. The Security Council believes that the adoption of a security plan is an important step towards providing a framework for effective security sector reform in Somalia, in order to help deliver peace for all Somalis.

 

 

“The Security Council expresses its readiness to consider a limited modification of the arms embargo to enable the TFIs, on the basis of a sustainable peace process, to develop Somalia’s security sector and national institutions capable of responding to security issues.

 

 

“The Security Council emphasizes, however, the continued contribution made to Somalia’s peace and security by the arms embargo, and calls on all to comply with it. The Security Council reiterates its intention to consider urgently how to strengthen the effectiveness of the arms embargo.

 

 

“The Security Council welcomes the outcome of the first meeting of the International Contact Group on Somalia.â€

 

 

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[Fiqikhayre]

Great news Duke! What will the courts do now is the question?

 

If I was them, I'd attack Baidoa right now, because they know, once the arms embargo is lifted the government (TFG) will move fast!

 

We will see, what they will do but I wouldn't be surprised, if they would take my advice and attack the government, whilst it is still relatively 'weak' and disorganised!

 

Like the japanese attack on pearl habour!

 

Would someone please let Hassan Dahir know, that we need a second pearl habour.

 

Tora, Tora, Tora!