Breaking news: UK suggests Somaliland should be recognised!

[Siciid1986]

Accoding to the latest Wikileaks Cable report:

 

UK has been discussing alot about Africa, particulary Zimbabwe, Nigeria and Somalia. But Also Somaliland. Read the following:

 

 

Given the UK's history, the large number of Somali Diaspora in the UK, and the real security threats that community may present to the UK, think tank security specialists thought Somalia should be more of a priority for HMG. HMG, they argued, should be more innovative on Somalia policy, focusing on local community engagement and finding humanitarian and social initiatives where material benefit can be derived without deployment of an excessively large peacekeeping force. The RUSI Africa specialist said HMG and the USG's previous entry point to Somalia was through Ethiopia. With the withdrawal of Ethiopian troops, a new entry point should be found quickly. He thought both IGAD and the AU could serve in this capacity. He also asserted that recognition of Somaliland should be considered to allow it access to international mechanisms for development and capacity support, as well as to support its democratic development in the face of increasing Islamic militant pressures.

 

 

6. (C/NF) Embassy comment. Cabinet office officials have told us that they consider Somalia a serious security concern, but they have not been able to induce other HMG departments to move on it, in large part because of the failure of the HMG process to set Africa priorities. HMG's budget crunch also seems to be hindering the decision-making process (ref D). End comment.

 

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-embassy-cables-documents/190885

[Qodax Qorax]

We will get there(Inshallah), just be patient.

[Thankful]

During the transition to the Obama Administration, London think tanks

have been active in discussing USG and HMG priorities in Africa. Poloff took the opportunity to poll opinions among Africa specialists at Chatham House, RUSI, the Royal Africa Society, Africa Confidential, the Commonwealth Policy Studies Unit, and International Crisis Group (please protect). The following are issue-by-issue consensus summaries from those discussions:

From what I undestand this has to do with London think tanks and not the UK government. Because it's interesting that Siilanyo was just in the UK and had received no special treatment at the airport!

 

I am sure that many classified and unclassified suggestions are presented by think tanks as ways to try and secure Somalia and East Africa. Plus that is what think tanks do, they think up as many idea's as possible.

 

At the end of the day NW Somalia is unable to even get a single country to recognize them and I think that is a clear indication of the British position.

 

They have meddled in Africa far too much and have left the issue recognition in the hands of the AU.

[abdi380]

The caple report clearly says that this suggestion was one that originally came from an African specialist and is not a proposal from the British government.

[Gabbal]

Try again in here my friend. For, whatever you may think of the "British Position" about the issue of Somaliland's recognition; they have most certainly not left it to the AU as you seemed to be alleging in here.

To the contrary, the United Kingdom, following Uncle Sam's stated position, has left the issue entirely up to the African Union to take the first move. You know it fully if you claim to be privy to half the the information you declare yourself to be. In any case, besides the not so secret lead given to the AU on the matter, the other preposterous and ironically laughable bias you hold, as a British citizen no less, is the attempt to make the United Kingdom sovereign on issues of delicate foreign policy in league with the glory days of the Queen's Empire and not a weakened fallen power playing second fiddle to more hegemonic powers such as Uncle Sam.

 

Somaliland's avowed political desire can be legitimately achieved through the corridors of Washington by way of the AU. But of course, Somaliland supporters would be more content going between Addis Ababa and London, and after 20 years still expecting different results.

[Gabbal]

If you interpreted my correct assessment on the ground as it stands with respect to Somalia's political situation as "fear", I believe such a reflection is grounded on the limitations of your own wishful desire. In fact, I would dare to go as far as say tuug intaadan tuug oran ayuu tuug ku yiraah. Still, I sense that you now comprehend and are willing to publicly display the true standings vis-a-vis Somaliland's secessionist objectives and what avenues it could possibly be heralded from. Both London and Addis Ababa play second fiddle to the more hegemonic power on the main political issues surrounding our part of the Horn just as your own secessionist desires play second fiddle to more constraining political realities that show up more prominent with respect to pressing considerations.

 

On your confusion concerning France and Britain's ability to garner "breathing space" on certain issues from the hegemonic power, it would be left up to you to calibrate whether unilaterally tampering with Africa's sensitive border delineations is comparable to, say, ability to compete in oil and gas concessions.

[Gabbal]

Even so, there is no desire nor appetite in the Western world, particularly in Washington, to have another small poverty-stricken African state dependent on hand outs and easily susceptible to meddling and interference in a globalizing, post-Western world. Realpolitik dictates, especially, Africa issues and not your own interests as evidenced by the bias with which you only take into consideration. I cannot comprehend how one cannot understand this even if they are so much as privy to half the calibrations involved. By this I mean, it is not so much as whether both security considerations in the wider Somali peninsula and your secessionist attempts can be reconciled but should it even be pursued as the best course action. Therein lies your paradox no matter how much lobbying you engage in. Even if such a situation were to be achieved where the paradox is solved, then comes whether the rest of Black Africa, and an empowering one at that, will easily go along as the face with which legitimization would be achieved when the ramifications have the greater possibility of hitting home.

 

Oodweyn, I am afraid since the day you said Somaliland will be recognized as urgently as possible mere months after I joined to this very moment, it is you who has shown an unbelievable hope in the unseen parallel with the latest going on of your Tolka and whatever politburo sends out manifestos from Morgan's old villa.

[SayidSomal]

I have said before and say it again; the recognition of SL (if it ever becomes reality) lays in Qardho rather then with the Queen of UK. until you lot realise that you all be going in circles chasing the tail of recognition.

[rudy-Diiriye]

is this wet dream is still happening after 20yrs!! lol. I will suggest to see a doctor soon for this problem. lol

[Member-sol-]

Somaliland will be recognized the day the international community gives up on the TFG, mark my words.

[The Zack]

^200 YEARS FROM TODAY, right?

[rudy-Diiriye]

Originally posted by Oodweyne:

^^^

Rudy

,...

 

Hence, as to why I am sure that my little nephew (who is a wee bit of a toddler) will genuinely burst his sides with laughter were he to come across your daily slapstick and buffoonish doings in right here of

SOL

, indeed...

 

Regards,

Oodweyne.

He definitely more intelligent than all the sillylanders that i have come across..therefore, i will keep hope still alive.

[Thankful]

Originally posted by Oodweyne:

 

Furthermore; see to it to learn who

"Chatham House" is in relation to the British foreign policy establishment and how they are a long-standing central pillar of the British foreign policy deliberation at the foreign office (regardless of which party is in power in Westminster); even if they are

"nominally independent think-thank"

, as you have alluded to in here.

Believe me, I love when you focus your attention on the British. Because you have yet to get a single country to recognize you, which means something is obviously being done wrong. Silanyo was welcomed on his trip to London by a group that look like a family reunion. Not the head of a state as you allude he is, I see no government officials. More so, NW Somalia has a huge community in London, yet so few people came to great him. You would think they would show massive support for their president in order to get media attention. I believe that they are slowly realizing that they are supporting a hopeless cause.

 

But keep knocking on the British door, because we know who they take orders from. The sole super-power in the world is the U.S and they have made it clear that recognition is will be done by the AU. They are the ones that are supporting south Sudan and other area's of Europe that have gain independence. They went to war in Iraq/Afghanistan and virtually every other conflict and the the rest followed.

 

What you need to realize is that your former colonial masters will never lead the way and have the U.S follow them.

 

And concerning Minister for Africa Henry Bellingham statement I agree with you that only 10% of agreed upon issues are made public, because everything that is made public can be used against someone on in the future and in some cases it cane become legally binding. We know many lies are made, I am certain the Djibouti and Ethiopia promised to help with independence to give you a pat on the head but they will never come out and say it in public. Like I said to, there is a huge NW Somalia diaspora population that this conservative minister seeks to lure votes from, because remember he is a politician. But If you notice Mr. Bellingham was very careful on the words that he used. No mention of independence, or the "republic of Somaliland." Even the person your leader met the UK was carefully chosen.

 

Just think about it we see Somalia's leaders over the last decade meeting with the head of the British government...regardless of what party is in power in Westminister . Yet the key to it is that, they are leaders that control an extremely tiny amount of land, yet they get to meet your Prime Ministers, while your enclave leader lands at the airport and is greated by no one.

 

Keep seeking the British!

[Qodax Qorax]

Originally posted by rudy-Diiriye:

is this wet dream is still happening after 20yrs!! lol. I will suggest to see a doctor soon for this problem. lol

That wet dream has contributed to my peace and developmenta and your bitte rness.

[AfricaOwn]

A hopeless cause is fighting for the idea of Somaliwayne. Somaliland at least has been been better of.