Nairobi: state president of Hiiraan inaugurated (Ali Mahdi, Asha Abdalla, attendees)

[NASSIR]

As of now, the peripheral regional states are stronger than the center and the simple reason is that loyalty to clan trumps loyalty to the Somali nation. Federalism can only be a viable option if the center, that is Mogadishu, can exericise full sovereignty over all the current and future states of Somalia and that no state can print money or behave in a manner that contravenes the federal constitution.

 

 

 

 

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[Hales]

Troubling questions which federalism raises

 

1)Dividing Somalia into clan states is harmful and only raises the prospects of the nation being filled with clanists, the first idea is to eleminate all forms of clanism (preferably under Central government) as a solution to the civil war. Clanism should be at first viewed as harmful and effort must be spread to the populace that it is wrong and remind the tragecies of statelessness. This would first create a conciousness within the populace that it its wrong to uphold it and likely teach to not spread qabilism to the future generation.

 

How should Federal state borders be carved? first you do not want one clan to be in the dominance of another, For example if Galmudug were to be made part of Puntland which is **** block.

State carving should in my opinion parallel historical perspectives such as the sultanates that existed in the past and likewise be in carved in areas sub clans and clans mainly inhabit.

How about mixed clan cities such as Gedo, Kismayo which states should they be made part of. There would be SNF clan dissatisfacation if Gedo were made to be carved under the dominance of Baidhoa and likewise similar for Kismayo.

So far Puntland claims all the regions which the **** clan inhabits, even if the Puntland clans maybe more related to eachoter than other clans such as the ones that inhabit the far North West, regions such as Maakhir have their own historical constituencies and recognize themselfes as independent even in clan aparatus of Puntland although they may share regions. The Puntland regime is dominated by one the sub clans of the **** clan which is unfair to the two other sub clans.

 

The usual excuses for federalism is based on the unfair allocation of recources and spending by past governments which i have mentioned here http://www.somaliaonline.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/6/15086#000013

A new formula in my opinion if there is to be a central government should be formed so that it fair to all regions in Somalia.

 

[ August 22, 2010, 05:26 PM: Message edited by: Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar ]

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Anigana haddaa kooye waaye.

 

Sheeko aan dhamaaneynin. Qabiilism cannot and will not be a state.

 

Soomaali waa lagu yaqaan isku dayashada, oo mid Soomaali hadduu wax sameeyo shan kale isla markii sameyneyso, not because of wanaagnimo just because hebelba waa sameeye why not us. Qabiil in maamul goboleed laga dhigo waa waxa socdo waayadaan dambe oo la isku deydo.

 

Federalism is never an option and it is never going to work. Just see how weak, divided, manipulated are the partial maamul goboleedyada in both Waqooyis -- Galbeed and Bari. That is prototype of Soomaali federalism for you.

 

How manipulative Itoobiya is, how it uses in her interests as Itoobiya sees fit, keeping the clan suspicion and mistrust ever alive. And they -- the maamul goboleedyo -- can't hold a finger against it because wey ka cabsadaan. And what brings the fear? Of course the disunity of Soomaalis -- unity brings more power as we had witnessed before.

 

And where exactly would the lines be drawn on the clan map of these said maamuls? Always unnecessary isqabqabsi oo dhamaad lahayn ka soconaayo, competing for lands by clans on the 'border' lines, causing more unnecessary enmities and hostilities against one another.

 

This is not a solution. It will bring more problems than the little it is said to solve.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Iyadoo aanba meelna la gaarin, already this is in:

 

Beelo kasoo jeeda gobolka Hiiraan oo ka horyimid...

[Land_Soldier]

Give them a chance before saying that it will never work. 14 or 15 initiatives to create a central Somali state have failed. Why not try something else once.

 

Altnernative is to sit by and watch TFG fail and Al Shabaab take over.

 

Besides Federalism suggests that a system in which the power to govern is shared between national and state governments. In order to create real Federalism, you need to have first the states(regional authorities) in place that make up the future Federation.

[Xudeedi]

Great news

[Som@li]

Good for them, Hope they succeed.

[Jacaylbaro]

MADAXWEYNAHA MAAMUL GOBOLEEDKA HIIRAAN STATE OO LAGU CALEEMO SAARAY MAGAALADDA NAIROBI EE XARUUNTA WADANKA KENYA

Why Nairobi ,,,, Why Kenya ???

 

 

I thought Hiiraan is in Somalia.

 

 

Another Imposed shadow admin.

[Hales]

Nassir saxib the key is to have a democratic establishment within the country but as an alternative to Federalismn you can look towards decentralization of the state or Deconcentration, regionalism, Devolution,

All these types of regionalism redistributes greater power (decision making, budget) from the central government circles to officials working in local municipalities, provinces or districts and create strong local field administrations.