Self hating dabdhlf

[Castro]

Originally posted by Xidigo*:

quote:Originally posted by Malika:

Xidigo,

 

If Riyaale had done all you had expected from him for Awdal, would the citizens of that region, still be awaiting for the revival of the greater Somalia?

Yes. Of course!

Keep waiting for the "revival". lol. If you can't be with the one you love, love the one you're with.

 

I think NGONGE said that somewhere.

[Lois Lane]

AfricaOwn: speaking on a pic here and there does not mean much walaal. Some might go along with the festivities, some by have some financial interest in the illusion that is sl.

 

My point is that, while bloody protest or whatnot dont take place in Awdal, the fact is this admin has not done much for that region, and as matter of a fact neglects most of its regions. You cant just follow because you dont like the other side

 

Ng: the facts that you speak of are illusions. However it seems to be that if one criticise your illusion automatically his against it. One thing I will give sl is the ability to maintain peace. But can you prove that Awdal citizens are satisfied with this administration or at least that they want seperation from the rest of Somalia, can you come up with a census? I bet you cant, but if you will use that 97% vote all seperatist speak of then carry on with the illusion.

[Xidigo]

Reer Boorama oo ka Mudaharaaday Ishortaagga Riigga Rabshaduhu ka Dhaceen ee Hargeysa

 

 

BOORAMA, 10 July 2008 (Jam)-- Bannaanbax ay ka qaybgaleen boqolaal qof oo u badan dhallinyaro, ayaa shalay ka dhacay magaalada Boorama ee xarunta Gobolka Awdal, kaas oo ay kaga jawaabayeen mudaharaadyo rabshado watay oo ka dhacay Hargeysa Isniintii toddobaadkan oo ka dhashay riig ceel biyood ka qodayey koonfurta caasimadda, lana sheegay in loo waday dhinaca magaalada Boorama oo xaalad biyo yaraaneed la soo daristay.

 

Inkasta oo xukuumaddu sheegtay in aan riiggaas loo wadin Boorama, haddana waxa ay dadka bannaanbaxyada ka sameeyey magaaladaasi cabasho weyn ka muujiyeen sababta shacbiga reer Hargeysa uga horistaageen riigga loo soo waday Gobolka Awdal ee looga sameeyey mudaharaadka rabshadaha ballaadhan ka dhasheen.

 

Mudaharaadka ka dhacay Boorama oo shalay subax bilaabmay, ayey dadweynuhu socod ku mareen qaar ka mid ah jidadka magaalada, iyagoo ku dhawaaqayey hal-ku-dhegyo ay ka mid yihiin; ‘Maxaa riigga Boorama loogu diiddan yahay, Awdal miyaanay Somaliland ka mid ahayn… iyo ereyo kale oo ay ku cabbirayeen siday uga xun yihiin sababta reer Hargeysa uga cadhoodeen in riigga biyaha qodayey la geeyo Boorama.

 

Haseyeeshee bannaanbaxan oo ahaa mid salmi ah oo aan rabshado ka dhicin, ayaa markii uu socday qiyaastii saacad badhkeed ayey ciidammada boolisku si nabadgelyo ah dadkaas u kala dareeriyeen, waddooyinkana la dhoobay askar tiro badan oo boolis ah oo ilaa xalay tubnaa jidadka magaalada Boorama, si ay ammaanka u sugaan.

 

Sidoo kale, warbixin ku saabsan aragtiyaha shacbiga reer Boorama ka bixiyeen riigga Hargeysa oo lagu baahiyey shabakadda wararka ee Lughayanews.com, waxa ay dadweynuhu ku muujiyeen dareenno kala duwan.

 

Hooyo Xaawa Rooble Cidheere oo ka dhiibanaysa fikirkeeda mar ay u warramaysay shabakadda Lughayanews ayaa tidhi, “Waxa la isku keen yidhaa Somaliland axdigii Boorama ee 1993 waxa uu dhigayay in wax badan laga midaysnaado, balse taas iminka ma arkayo axdigaasina waa diciifayaa, dalkan curdinka ah ee soo kabanayana waxay ahayd in dulqaad loo muujiyo. Khaladka u wayn nee la sameeyayna waa in da’yar soo koraysa loo adeegsado siyaaasad qalloocan, iyaga oo la jaha-habaabinay, riigana in bari ilaa galbeed biyo lagu qodo waa ujeeddadii loo keenay. Dadkeenna riig ku heshiin waayayna wax kale oo aan ku heshiinayno ma garanayo.”

 

Sidoo kale hooyo Madiina Axmed Jagne oo arrintaa ka warramaysay ayaa si kulul u tidhi; “Awdal waxaan moodayey inuu yahay qayb Ethiopia ka mid ah markaan maqlay hadallada ka soo yeedhaya salaadiinta qaar ka mid ah iyo waxgaradka reer Hargaysa. Ma nihin Somaliland ee waxaan ahaanaynaa Soomaali-Ilaahay”

 

Haseyeeshee, wiil kale oo magaciisu yahay Siciid Maxamed Axmed ayaa isagu qaba fakir ka duwan kaa hore, waxaannu yidhi; “Waxaan la yaabanahay xukuumaddan u dhaqmaysa sidii towradii Octoobar. Dadkaas mudaharaadka sameeyay waa lagaga qaldan yahay in la yidhaa hawshii oo aan dhammaan ayaan mid kale qabanaynaa, waxayse ahayd in ay nabad wax ku raadiyaan sharcigana xukuumaddaa gacanta ku haysa.”

 

Mid ka mid muwaadiniinta reer Awdal oo la yidhaahdo Maxmed Cumar Cali ayaa yidhi; “Waxaan moodayey in aanan Hargaysa biyo loo doonan ee maxay ahayd faduushan tidhi, biyo ha loo doonto, isaga oo hadalka soo afjaraya ayaa waxa uu intaa daba dhigay, halkaas lacag uun baa naga jirtee ha laga digtoonaado wax badan.”

 

Axmed Cabdilaahi Nuur (Siyaasiga Qarniga) ayaa isna yidhi; “Haddii xaal sidanba yahay gooni-isutaagga aan sheeganaynaa waa kootaraban kootarabaanna laguma taajiro, Somalilandna waligeed noqon mayso dawlad.”

 

Xiisaddani waxay noqotay mid si weyn loo dareemo magaalada Boorama, waxana aan meesha ka madhnayn in dadka badidiisu ay la yaaban yihiin waxa dhacaya, isla markaana isweydiinayaan su’aalo ku wajahan sida wax loo wado, sida loo wada joogayo muqtaqbalka iyo waxa ku jaban haddiiba riig beelaha gobollada dhexe ee dalka dagaa dhul ay leeyihiin laga qaado oo la geeyo Awdal, Sanaag iyo Sool intaba

[Xidigo]

July 12, 2008 - 16:14

“Haddii ictiraaf yimaado ninka ii diidan riig muxuu iga yeeli doonaa?” - Salaadiin reer Boorama ah

 

 

 

 

BOORAMA, 12 July 2008--Salaadiin ka mid ah suldaanada G/Awdal, ayaa maanta shir jaraaid ku qabtay Hutelka RAYS ee Boorama, Suldaanada oo kala ahaa Suldaan C/raxmaan Jaamac Dhawal iyo Suldaan Xasan Xadi (Baade) waxay ka hadleen hawsha Riiga ee dhalisay mudaharaadka ka dhacay magaalada Hargeysa iyo hadalada la isla dhexmarayay ee sheegayay in loo wado dhanka magaalada Boorama, sababtaas oo ahayd mida ay aadka uga cadhoodeen mudaharaadayaashu, hadaba qadiyadaas lagu hal qabsaday dhanka reer Boorama waxay ka cadhaysiisay dadweynaha degen Boorama iyo madax dhaqameedada ka soo jeeda Boorama.

 

Hadaba shirka jaraaid ee ay qabteen labada Suldaan ayaa ah fariin ay u dirayaan bulshada reer Hargaysa iyo masuuliyiinta wadanka, ugu horayn waxaa halkaas ka hadlay Sul.C/raxmaan Dhawal wuxuuna hadalkiisa ku bilaabay " Marka hore waxaan tacsi u dirayaa dadkii shacabka ahaa ee ku geeriyooday rabshadaha ehelkii ay ka baxeen, Intaas ka dib Waxa xusid mudan in Somaliland 18 jirsatay oo ay qaan gaadh tahay, Inaga oo halkaas taagan ayaa waxa soo shaacbaxaysa in aan weli bilawgii 1991 taaganahay.

 

“ Waxaan idin xasuusinayaa in G/awdal yahay kii caanka ku ahaa dib u heshiisiinta Somaliland, sida dhacdooyinkii Burco, Berbera iyo Hargaysa, cidii ilawsana waxaan rabaa in aan xasuusiyo, G/Awdal waa Tiirka keli ah ee Somaliland ku taagan tahay, waxaan nahay kuwii soo afjaray dagaaladii sokeeye, Anaga oo waxaas oo dhan sheeganayna waxaan ku dardaarmaynaa in laga daayo wixii xaalad kicin ah.”

 

Suldaan Dhawal wuxuu intaas raaciyay " Masuuliyiinta xisbiyada qaranku maaha in reer ahaan dabada u geliyaan dadka shacabka ah, oo ay ku dhawaaqaan dawladu waxay wax u sheegi wayday dumarkii iyo caruurtii, sidaas oo kale lagama filayn suldaanada iyo xildhibaanada qaranka iyagana, Ambasador Hutelka la yidhaa shirka ka dhacayna waan la soconaa, waanan ka warqabnaa Salaadiinta iyo siyaasiyiinta waxaa ka soo yeedhaya hadalo aan dan u ahayn Somaliland. Hadaladaas waxaa ka mid ah Riiga aan laba keenayn Awdal ee dadka lagu kicinayo loona tusayo meel aan dalkaba ahayn, waana wax laga xumaado.

 

“ Hadaan nahay reer Awdal waxaan sedkayaga ku seegnay M/weyne ayaad ka tihiin Somaliland, balse dib u dhici mayso sidaasi, waxyaabaha ku qoran saxaafada maaha kuwo aan u dulqaadan karo, waxaan ku soo koobayaa in nin walba halka xilku kaga beegan yahay uu wax ka qabto, Ninka xukun doonayaa sidii uu ku heli lahaa ha u socdo, ka xukunka hayaana dadkiisa ha u tudho.”

 

Suldaan Xasan Xadi(Baade) ayaa isna hadalkiisa ku bilaabay " Tacsida aan dirayno ka dib, waxaan leehay waar dawladnimada jirta maanta waxaa lagu dhisay Boorama, ee ninka riig u socda Botor u laayay dad ee yidhi Borama ayuu tegayaa, fidnadaa ninkii ka shaqeeyay ayaa la weydiin, Riigu meel kasta oo uu tegana waa Somaliland xaq ayayna u leedahay, Anaga oo leh sadkiinii wuu maqan yahay mid sidaas ku saacidayno maaha, cida rabshada abuurtay ayaana dib u dhaca ku riday Somaliland.

 

“Waxaan aaminsanahay hadii ictiraaf yimaad ninka ii diidan Riig muxuu iga yeeli doonaa ? ilayn riig aan Borama u socon ayuu u laayay dad shacaba oo uu banaan baxa yidhee, waxaan leehay waxyaabaha nocaas ah halaga waantoobo, gobolo iyo dad kala jeclaysiga halaga waantoobo, arrimaha dhacay in ayna dib u dhicina waan ka digayaa waayo dib u dhac iyo in la gobolaysto ayay keeni doontaa.

 

“Dhanka kale Salaadiintu waxay dawlada ugu baaqeen in ay dadka shacabka ah danahooda ka shaqayso, isla markaana ay cida xilka u haysa ee hawshaas danbigeeda leh talaabo ka qaado, waxa kale oo ay soo jeediyeen in masuuliyiinta Golayaasha iyo xildhibaanadooda iyo madax dhaqameedada oo dhan ka shaqeeyaan danaha shacabka, isla markaaana iska ilaaliyaan in ay noqdaan qaar dabka ku sii shuba baasiin.”

[NGONGE]

Originally posted by Lois Lane:

Ng: the facts that you speak of are illusions. However it seems to be that if one criticise your illusion automatically his against it. One thing I will give sl is the ability to maintain peace. But can you prove that Awdal citizens are satisfied with this administration or at least that they want seperation from the rest of Somalia, can you come up with a census? I bet you cant, but if you will use that 97% vote all seperatist speak of then carry on with the illusion.

I can't measure their satisfaction with this administration, Lois, these things change depending on events. But as for wanting separation from Somalia, I most definitely could.

 

You have been going in circles there and dangling that red herring of 97% of the vote in my face for days now, my dear! You just can't help being obtuse with this simple issue. Fine. Here is how it works.

 

Somaliland declared that it is seceding from the Republic of Somalia, right? Representatives of the people of Awdal took part in the conferences in 1991 and 1993 (with the 1993 one taking place in Borama of all places), right?

 

You see, there is a popular argument about silence implying consent (and you can stick the 97% bird in there and all) but in the case of Awdal, this was not just silence this is ACTIVE participation. This is not an illusion as you keep trying to tell me, it is a fact, my dear.

 

Now, unless you come back with some real evidence as to how the people of Awdal are against Somaliland I shall treat your empty words with the contempt they deserve.

 

Xidigo,

You're just confused, fellow citizen. When you calm down know that we shall be waiting for you with open arms.

 

Baashi,

You're a slippery eel, saaxib. Sometimes it is about the secession and how wrong it is. At other times it is about the people of SSC and their right to choose their own destiny! When the noose is tightened you resort to the H thing. Make your mind up, saaxib.

 

Castro,

I understand your position and am happy that, in time, you will return home. As for Red Sea, I'd rather he just went South and martyred himself on the steps of Villa Somalia. It's obvious that the man is a mujaahid from his head all the way to his fingertips.

 

Ps

JB is not here and I'm covering for him while he spends his annual leave in the beautiful beaches of Laas Qoray.

[N.O.R.F]

Ps

JB is not here and I'm covering for him while he spends his annual leave in the beautiful beaches of Laas Qoray.

 

So thats where he is

[Ibtisam]

My point is that, while bloody protest or whatnot don’t take place in Awdal, the fact is this admin has not done much for that region, and as matter of a fact neglects most of its regions. You cant just follow because you don’t like the other side

Maybe Reer Awdal was expecting special treatment :confused: Because having being to all the regions, no admin has done jack shid for anyone, everyone was hassling and trying to make it on their own. Reer Awdal are getting on with things just like all the other region simple because although admin does not constitute anything beneficial to their life’s, it provides and maintains the conditions to allow them to continue living their life and making a living. Most people back home are grateful for that if nothing else.

 

 

Awdal is a sleeping giant. Wake it up and you'll be wishing you hadn't for a very long time

My dear, I’m sorry to be the one who tells you this, but if the blame of all the things that went wrong with this admin was to be laid at a regions feet, reer Awdal ayao soo doortey this dude as a representative, the rest of Somaliland should feel cheated that Reer Awdal sent such incompetent poor communicator, I know they have better people they could’ve put forward. Maybe they are saving those for the revival of greater Somalia

 

 

In any case girls you need to separate two things:

 

1) You think reer Awdal never wanted to be part of Somaliland, wants it even less now, regardless of who is the leader is and what they are offered.

2) Reer Awdal wanted to be part of Somaliland, they came and participated willingly, but now feel that they have been mistreated or “stepped on” as Xidigo says, or were expecting handouts from their relative but he has not given enough or anything. And although they value peace [the conditions Somaliland provides] They think peace comes at too higher price.

 

The two are two very distinct arguments.

 

My view is that although the current admin has not anything substantial for any region, most people fear chaos, bloodshed and violence, in their peace loving nature, they will let whoever wishes to run with the state and its limited resources while they get on with their life as usual. I guess it takes a lot of beating for the North to rebel and react with violence. I don’t think this admin or Somaliland project has beat them too hard yet. This is clearly reinforced by the lack of alternative in the south.

 

 

P.s. I always wanted the chance to say this to show how illogical this line of argument was so here it goes; This is a domestic issues for Somaliland and Somlilanders, to borrow Che, Kool Kat, Bashii and Xiin, Emperor, and peace argument, the rest of you do not have a stake in to, nor can you know what is in the best interest for Somaliland internal struggle. [yaad yaad yaa about we still think Somaliland is part of Somalia] :rolleyes:

[Che -Guevara]

^Ibti-It's matter of being honest about one's political motives.

[Ibtisam]

^^^So what is your motive in this discussion?? besides adding flue the fire?? Honest laa kaal dheer me thinks...

[Abtigiis]

So Ibtisam believs Somaliland is not part of Somalia! Aqooneey ku nacay!

[Ibtisam]

^^^For someone who writes so well, your comprehension skills are not so good dear. [Maybe your language skills are only good if you are bashing ladies.] :cool: Baal read again

[Abtigiis]

^^^^ o!o! Xaal iyo badh. My usual uncalled for gaffes dear sister. I read in haste and am in deep alaab. 36 and 1/2 baan dhex fadhiyaa! Forgive. I need to do something about my haste!

[Ibtisam]

Maybe if you took your time with things, you won't have to spend so much time saying "I'm sorry" Do you know that if someone is always saying "I'm sorry, I hate you, I love you, I'm shy, I'm nice guy, I'm innocent girl, I'm not racist, I'm not qablist,...etc" it cannot longer be classed as the truth, honest or believable, it loses its value and worth.

[Che -Guevara]

Ibti- I fully oppose secession and I welcome any party in the north that supports union with the south. If reer Awdal cease to support secession, kudos to them. I'm fully behind them. I hope that makes it clear enough.

[Ibtisam]

^^^At the expense of a war in the north??

 

I don't see the point of people in the north starting a war for a union with the South, which is not even currently possible. :confused: Better they try and make do with that they have, it is better than war and violence, anything is. :cool: