What ever happened to this nomad?

[Gabbal]

Qofkii qawl aanan quruxsanayn ku hadlaa horey loo ma gowraco ee waa loo odayeeyaa sxbyaal.

Paragan, ninyahow you took one of my points and beautified it. Sax!

 

He should have been chastised, criticised, and made to feel ignorant for those views but not get banned

[miles-militis]

Paragon – hal midh ayaan kaa idhi, halna waan ka gaabsaday, halkna aan ka dabaakho.

 

Hal midh baan kaa idhiy oo, ummad ahaan haddii aynu ka dhiidhiyi lahayn qadafka, gardarada iyo dulmiga, halkaa ma naaleen oo ardaayo ayaa u baxsan lahaa, mase dhicin oo dulli iyo daalim u hiilin ayaa ina gayaysiiyey taa.

 

Hal waan ka gaabsaday oo, sida ragii iga horeeyey xeeriyeen, Juma waa xujoobay, caqligii xujada lagaga bixin lahaana lama solonsiin.Intaa wixii dhaafsiisan, gacma daalis iga dheh…

 

Hal waan ka dabaakhay oo, adiga ka hor ma arag nin muddici u ah makhruun isku kaadshay oo dharaar cad afka abur uga siidaaya, una dhabidhista ku faanka silic-dilyaynta iyo xasuuqa maxaysta eebaale.

 

Oo maandhow maxaad ku diiday in aan ka dhiidhiyo af-xumadaa – gar daroooooy, godkaa ma laguugu soo galay …

“mise waxaad rabtaa inaad halkan isaga dhigtid ninka ka gubanaya nin kale af-xumadii…

 

Dib baan u eegay sadarkaa oo taana tan ayaan kaa idhi….odhaah hore ayaa ahayd “Waad baahan tahay, badhtiga looma cuno†– maandhe ibtilaa timi, dhaqan roggan ayaa curran, kaadida looguma faraxasho – miyaan sii budliyaa?

“…Sumarai, lol. 'dhaqan-wanaaggu' haduu lumo, dhaqan-xumo ayaa meesha soo gasha, af-xumo iyo af-laggaadona, dhaqan-lumay baa u qiil ah. Ee bal ninyahow sadarka hore ee aad soo qortay dib ugu laabo oo hubi hagaagiisa. Sadarada kale se isku xagla-daallin maayo, waayo waa howraar aan higsi lahayn.â€

 

Tata…

[Paragon]

Xiinoow sxb, I agree with you. As can be gleaned from all posts made in this topic, no one thinks rapine is of pride to anyone. Balse wakhatigan lagu jiro waxaa la arkaa arrimo aad u fool xun kana sii daran kufsi. Balse soo ma haboon if we use our intellects to investigate what really gives ground to the outburts, the like of which Jumatatu has displayed. Qofka iskama caytamo e' waxa ku qasba inuu caytamo waa (1) in marka hore, qofku aay saameysey collaad iyo cuqdad u fasaxda in uu ku gacansayro dhaqaan-wanaaga; (2) in marka xiga, dhaqanka laftiisuba, muhiimmadda uu u lahaa kala hagga iyo maamulka ummaddaya ay hoos u dacday, waayo (3) ragga iyo dumarka inoogu xilsaaran (duqaytida/cuqaasha/beel-daajiya-yaasha/indheergaradka iyo diin-aadka) oo aan fahansanayn in dhaqan-ku yahay dhisme aadmi loona istimaalo sida aalladaha kale (sida muruq-tuska, awoodda-dowladi xaq u leedahay in eey dagaal qaaddo) loona baahan yahay, in marka marxalad CASRI ah timaato loo baddelo, amba loogu dheelli-tiro dhaqannada kale ee qalaad. Dhaqan baa laga tagay waa qaylo aan qiimo lahayn. Waa in aan MEEL DHEER wax ka aragnaa kana gudubnaa gefka ninka uu galay, ee aan wajahnaa sidaan u hubin lahayn in dib dambe aysan u dhicin.

 

Jumatatu, (a) khalad buu galay; (b)wuxuu diiday in uu raalli gelin ka bixiyo qadafka uu gaystey: marka maxaa la habboon qofkii MAS'UUL ka ah kala dambaynta SOL? Laba siyaalo ayaa Jumatatu loo loa dhaqmi karayaa: (1) Jidka fudud ee muruq-adeegsiyeed- in laga mamnuuco shabakada; (2)in Admin-ka (illeen isagaa oday inoo ahe) uu si goonni ah ula shawro Jumatatu, ISAGOON OGEYSIINANYN shacabka SOL dhamaantii. Waayo hadii nin rag ah shaaraca kallarka lagu dhego waxaa dhacaysa "is-giiji adoo gar-daran". Waana tan hadda meesha ka muuqada inay dhacday.

 

Inaga dadkayaga kale waxaa inala gudboon in aanan ku taagtaagsanin nin kale sharaf-dhacii afkiisa ka soo baxday. Haddii aan ka dalbanno Jumatatu inuu si public ah apology ku bixiyo, waxaa meesha ka muuqatta, that we are taunting Jumatatu only to make him insist on his mistakes.

 

Originally by Sumarai: Dib baan u eegay sadarkaa oo taana tan ayaan kaa idhi….odhaah hore ayaa ahayd “Waad baahan tahay, badhtiga looma cuno†– maandhe ibtilaa timi, dhaqan roggan ayaa curran, kaadida looguma faraxasho – miyaan sii budliyaa?

“…Sumarai, lol. 'dhaqan-wanaaggu' haduu lumo, dhaqan-xumo ayaa meesha soo gasha, af-xumo iyo af-laggaadona, dhaqan-lumay baa u qiil ah. Ee bal ninyahow sadarka hore ee aad soo qortay dib ugu laabo oo hubi hagaagiisa. Sadarada kale se isku xagla-daallin maayo, waayo waa howraar aan higsi lahayn.â€

Sumarai waxba ha sii wadin. Ku soo celcelina ninba caytamay, nimbaa caytamay ninba catamay; adoon hayn wax xal amba talo ah. Wax ka maskax-roon 'ban' gareeya miyaad haysaa mise maya? Inta aad adeegsaneysid horwaar iyo oraah aanan mira dhallinayn, dhaqanka adaa dafiicnimada uu leeyahay iyo jabinta la jabinayo u keenaya.

[Xarago]

Originally posted by Paragon:

[QB Ma waxaad hada i leedahay Juma inta uusan afxumada soo fatihin, laguma dhego hadlin? Maxaad ooga dhigaysaa in isagoon lala yooyootamin in uu mar qura afka iska furtay? Lol. Haduu Juma af-cad ku caaytamay, waxaa hubanti ah in dad kale aay si dadban ama sarbaab ah iyana ula caytameen Sumarai. Ninka lagu yiraa 'dugaag weeye reer-tolkaa' inuu tookha tuuro, so dow ma aha? Ee faataadhugta haynaga dhaadhinicinina. [/QB]

Huuno awoowga aya garta goyn jidhey..!

 

Quote from what I hink last of Juma posts on the thread he was banned..

 

juma:

I made that comment and I stand by it as it was without any regret nor with the slightest remorse. And am not touched at all nor concerned with reaction it has generated, I would have been though if the reaction was not clearly biased. My post was a response to Scientist who said

quote:

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So please get your facts right, and never compare Siyaad Barre to these animals

I think this proves your point....my appeal still continues, wasnt there one that was active :confused:

Waayo ninka sawaxiiliga wuxuu uu egyahey nin laiskugu tagey, oo ay tool la'an mesha ku heshey.

[Xoogsade]

I must have upset someone, so I deleted what I wrote

[Sayyid]

Xarago walaalo what I don't understand is you bringing certain implications to this whole issue that aren't even related to the incident.

 

Walaaley iisheeg tol iyo tol la'aan maxaa meeshaan keenay? Taas baa walle imurgasay.

 

Haatan baad sheekooyinkii hore bilowday miyaa? Haku macaanaato.

 

"Tol beelayeey, Alla tol la'aan baa i qabsatayee alla ii gargaara tol la'ayeey. War may reer reer saalax cabdi, tolow aaway reer xirsi madoobe alla ii gurmada."

 

Astaqfirullah! Illahayow adiga keliya ayaan gargaar iyo hiilis ku waydiisanaynaa.

 

Kashanre walaal you said so many times that other people said or made a similiar remark as the hatred uttered by your friend Juma. Can you provide us with some evidence because you incorporate that they're still "roaming" this side untouched like they've committed murder or something similiar.

 

I've never witnessed such vile and filth that came from the mouth of Juma that day it was really appalling from anyone else that is currently a member of this side.

 

I'd like Juma to come back because I believe that he's really a nice fellow and a brother who doesn't believe in what he said. He was merely angered and provocated but he had a chance to retract his hatred-filled remarks but ignored the pleas out of arrogance.

 

He should give a public appology and denounce such barbaric acts and really condonm them to the strongest. It doesn't help if he doesn't do that because anytime he has an angry exchange with other people they will hold this against him and we can expect much worse from all kind of parties.

 

I say yes bring the brother back for the good he has done during his stay in here because noble people forgive each others fault that is out of character for all the good they've done before.

 

Juma was someone who challenged many of us and who also brought his own views and I confess that without him there wouldn't be much of an exchange because for a healthy forum you've to have people if different views and who are ready to "attack" each other in a friendly manner ofcourse to highlighten their stance.

 

The politics section without him has not become one-sided but rather isolated and dull (behold some have argued that it was always like that, lol a place for dull people to exchange their dull mindsets) but rather isolated and neutral.

 

Even the General felt that way. Would he question the legality and achievment of the government if juma was here? No. It's only a guess. At the absence of Juma, Duke has become his own opposition and critic prior it was reserved for the likes of Juma who primarily argued that this government is overhyped and nothing but a waste of time (his words/views not mine).

 

They certainly need each other. Bring him back and make him realise the mistake he's committed.

[Dhimbil]

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It’s not really helping when nomads say Juma should be reinstates just because there are others like him. You should name names, so admin or mods can keep an eye on those pple and ban them as well, even highlight their offensive things if you must. And it’s also nonsense to suggest bad things are all around us we should not be offended by this incident. I have never seen anyone say “…raping was my pleasure…†and I have seen or experienced horrific things. Anyway, I think Juma should be reinstated just because he was an active member, he made a mistake, and he paid his price (banned for days or months). Now that he had enough time off to realize his mistake, admin should consider given him another chance. Also, I don’t see the need for an apology, maybe to admin and mods. It serves no purpose but to humiliate and it would be fake and half hearted. I understand what he said was repulsive and he was rightly banned, but now is time to move on and give him another chance.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Salaan...

 

The person this thread concersns is not banned. His pseudonym is temporary disallowed, which isn't a ban. Read this: "..we made the decision that Jumatatu is best to leave this forum and can only come back if the nomad admits that he broke the golden rules of the forum and will not do so in the future."

 

Banning usually doesn't have a second chance. Disallowing usernames, on the other hand, do have a chance to come back.

 

It isn't a minor "golden rule," too. It was one of the lowest ebb expected from a fellow human, iskaba daa qof Muslim Soomaali ah. For our own information, there are members in this very forum whose relatives were raped, and as a result some committed suicide. Imagine that person whose own close relative subjected to that cruelty coming across those deplorable and reprehensible words.

 

He is kindly asked to apologize on public. That is all. It is up to him.

[NGONGE]

Ah! Finally the political section is beginning to reflect reality! It’s about time that we’ve reached this crossroads. Of course, and as usual, it’s probably only in my head and I’ll have to slowly paint you all a picture (with eyes and ears and lots of colourful little things) to get you to view things from this elevated seat of mine.

 

It looks like Juma, yet again, managed to upset the establishment! Would you call it a great surprise? A shock? An uncharacteristic blip from predictable old Juma?

 

First of all, and for Ayuub’s benefit, let me reiterate again that I am not Juma. I know of Juma, I spoke and corresponded with Juma on many occasions and I (whilst realising that I’m going against the grain here) LIKE Juma. But, I am not, have never been and am (unless reincarnation is true) not likely to ever become Juma. One can’t be more explicit on this topic than that I hope. I would appreciate it if you don’t mistake me with Juma or any other person in future. Unless of course, and this, I suppose, would stand to reason: unless I say, you were on Juma’s side and wanted him to benefit from the reflected glory with the mention of my name. If that were the case, I’d say carry on, brother. For if I’m anything at all, I’m nothing but charity itself!

 

At the mention of charity, I’ll have you know that big-hearted as I clearly am, I’m no bottomless pit. Other things like reason, a sense of fairness, a touch of bias and a hint of indignation often dim and blunt my charitable inclinations. This here brings me to the absurd situation we have on this thread.

 

I tried to refresh my memory with this site’s golden rules but they’re nowhere to be seen! Now this new development presented me with two possible explanations. It’s either that the golden rules have been removed in order to be revised and reintroduced with all the loopholes plugged and dealt with, or, they’ve been cancelled altogether and this is a free for all! I tried to use my own initiative and remember these golden rules. I scoured the deepest parts of my memory. Words such as inconsistent, obtuse and impossible to enforce, came to the surface. However, knowing that I am a man that adores the sound of his own voice, I realised that these were my own opinions and not at all connected with our missing golden rules. There was also something about not questioning the administrators of the site in public or challenging their decisions. It took me a good two seconds to realise that this last one was not mine. As if I’d gag myself with such unnecessary self-censorship!

 

 

I’m quite sure that this was one of the golden rules. In fact, I’m willing (not to be left behind by JB’s earlier gallantry) to bet my membership on that fact. Yet, here we are, all discussing the decision of the admin! For now, and because it’s a free for all as I skilfully proved above, I shall not pick on the admin. No, instead, I shall try to reason with the moderator. A moderator, who as the admin and many other Nomads admitted, has been doing a good job on this section. To do a good job requires one to have patience, common sense and a sense of humour without excess emotions. As far as I can see, all these are present here. However, and pardon my stepping on your foot there, there seems to be a tiny lapse on the common sense front. My charitable leanings make a brief return as I assume that this is indeed a mere momentary slip.

 

However, it is this slip that I wish to address here. You see, I can’t understand how the name of the Nomad in question is suspended yet at the same time that Nomad is required to issue a public apology in order for his name to become active again! The word that was employed, of course, was ‘disallowed’. Is there some sort of mechanical block that’s put in place to disallow him from posting or is it a temporary ban? Or, and this would really be absurd, are you relying on his manliness and good sense to adhere to this ‘disallowance’? What if he decides to ignore your pleas and carries on posting on the forums without making the requested public apology? Will you ban him then?

 

Now to return to the reason for this ruckus and Juma’s infamous comments! I’ll have to admit that I have not read them and cannot adequately comment on the style used or type of words. However, I’m a man of the world, a supposed Somali, and would confess to having a bit of experience in all things obscene, offensive and abhorrent. Therefore, and without having to resort to knowing the man’s exact words, I’m more than sure that none of what he wrote would have unduly shocked me. What really shocked me here is the reaction of the politics section regulars! Since when, pray tell, have you all become a bunch of shrinking violets?

 

By now, Juma is probably angry with me and the rest of the readers irritated with (if not indifferent to) my opinions above. However, I’m a bit of a selfish creature (as you would be if you always had to look down for company) and am only concerned with what these events mean to me!

 

It matters to me not if Juma is banned or pardoned (if he likes this place that much I’m sure he’ll find a way of reinventing himself and resuming his fights with all the usual nonentities). What matters to me are those golden rules, because, great as I am, those darned rules are bound to catch me out sooner or later!

 

Now, if I could get caught out by these rules (and I pride myself on my great powers of comprehension and all round superiority), what will the infants of this site do and how are they expected to trawl their way through all these incomprehensible minefields? I hereby refuse, reject and question all arguments as to the clarity of the rules and request a clear explanation of every last one of them. I’m not being difficult, troublesome or quarrelsome (and those with an iota of comprehension abilities would sense the not so subtle ridicule running throughout this post).

 

Still, I’d like to contest the golden rules. I want to dissect them all and make sure that I understand them (and as a result, the rest of the Nomads do too) very clearly. I’m not sure that there has been such a thread on SOL in the past and would think that out of the excrement that is this thread, a lovely rose would grow (luckily for us, roses thrive on crap).

 

Juma’s crime is that he violated the golden rules, is what the admin claims. I, on the other hand, accuse Juma of NOT understanding the golden rules and can not, therefore, punish (much as I’d love to do it) a man for not understanding. Neither would I (in the tedious name of ‘keeping the peace’) expect a grown Somali man to apologise in public (even when wrong). We’re not that developed, as a species, to take such great a leap and it’s unfair to expect Juma (talented in the art of provocation as he is), to evolve this quickly and suddenly turn into a timid gentleman! It’s impossible I tell you.

 

This brings me back to the issue of disallowing names as opposed to banning them! What exactly does it all mean? To me, it all smells like a right royal cop out. But, again, just as I was about to end this with a flourish, my charitable inclination takes over. The admin (and his moderator) are nice people. Because they’re nice people, they’re trying to also be nice to everyone. However, this is the politics section not the poetry section. Nice and politics don’t mix. One can only be nice after one has been ruthless. Even the recipients of the nicety would appreciate it. Niceness without ruthlessness would mean that one is a pushover! It’s a difficult balancing act but both the admin and his moderator are skilful enough to pull it of.

 

I think it’s time the golden rules were explained properly and nicety spread all over this section (mostly to Juma) and once this has been done, those in charge needn’t be nice, keep the peace or try to please everyone anymore. However, as long as doubt and ambiguity remains about the golden rules, Juma and many others will innocently (and not so innocently) continue on breaking them and shouting VICTIMISATION every time their words got deleted or names, err, disallowed.

 

Lets hope that some of you take heed of my words and try to sensibly address it all rather than the pointless appeal to the emotions that half of those replying to this thread have already put us through.

 

 

Bonne Année

 

 

PS

 

If you decide to be stubborn and insist on the apology, I’d humbly remind you that a forced apology is no apology at all. Neither would the victims receive just satisfaction nor will the offender mean it. It will be yet another of those ‘keeping the peace’ gestures. Pointless, meaningless and since it does not fully burry the hatchet, the chances are, that the original problem will resurface.

 

PPS

Shouldn’t Juma participate on a thread all about him?

[Alle-ubaahne]

I am asking the authority to ban and expell NGONGE since he mocked our religion, and insulted particular tribes of the Somali people. Those are gross violations that deserve nothing but harsh punitivities. If you don't ban him, then we're going to question the existance of the golden rules in SOL.

 

Let Ngonge fly out of here, that is an ultimate protest from the real masses of the site.

[Castro]

^ I can't think of a better thing to happen on SOL today than NGONGE returning. Ah, it is indeed a good Friday.

 

[Edited]

 

And from your high (life guard) chair, good Ngonge, would you say (not?) comprehending the rules:

 

A) has made them easier to abide by, or

B) would deter anyone from breaking them.

 

I personally read the rules back in 2005. I don't remember a single one of them. But if I'm told I broke one, it would be nice to know under which statute I'm being indicted. And it has to exactly fit the crime in question.

 

Juma's words were a clear and unambiguous violation of SOL rules, common sense and decency, and Allah's commandments.

[Johnny B]

It indeed is a good friday , we´re having an early easter this year!

 

Well said Ngonge .. a Spade, a bloody Spade is what it is .

[Khayr]

Ngonge,

 

For some reason I got the picture that you were talking to yourself INFRONT of the Mirror, Saxib.

 

I don't see what the fuss here is all about,

the Admin. has done a great job, Alhamdulillah.

Its a simple request to Apologize be it Private or Public....

 

Let it go people and move on.....this is starting to sound like a Senate Meeting :rolleyes:

[Alle-ubaahne]

Indeed, Mr.Integrationalist NGONGE was enough amusement for me. His absense has obviously decreased my contribution to the site. But I bear witness that he was a true ultra-liberalist, more than the flimsy Castro.

 

As of this day, I withdraw from the pact I signed with the liberal representative for ceasing the fires during the sacred Islamic hollidays. Now, I declare a full, all-out war against the liberals, conducting it under the flexible rule of engagements. :mad:

[Xarago]

This has gone back and forth and just like Camp David it bears no conclussion. So if it is apology that is seeked from Jamu why dont we give him a platform to state his case and offer the apology. In the real picture guys and am talking to the guys on the otherside of the fence, Soomaalida waxay ku maahmaahda Dheriga maxaa kulelyka ka keena....dab.! .In here it seems clear most of SOL users and I mean the guys on the other side of the fence led by the admin were angered by 'unwanted' remarks made by Jama , yet they ignoired and took it on their stride as something normal the comment that infuriarated Jamu.

So in honestly however much you guys try to disguise it it is does not look on you lot to endorse 'offending factor' and respond with anger the resulting response. Now whether the sawaxili apologises or not can only be seen if he is given the platform, otherwise let things be as they are and the balance in favour of one side. However much you deny that is the real aspect, all you have to do is scroll upward and you will see phrases such 'angered the establishment'.