Europe is a garden, the rest of the world is a jungle

[Che -Guevara]

 

[Che -Guevara]

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Hé is kinda right every one wants to come to Europe tahriib form asia and Africa is so enormous.    The same way u guys in the states have the Cali beysteen coming from Mexico 

[maakhiri1]

He is absolutely right, people try to make everything about colonialism,  

Go to Spain, Italy, eastrrn Europe,  you will see what he is talking about

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

4 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

Hé is kinda right every one wants to come to Europe tahriib form asia and Africa is so enormous.    The same way u guys in the states have the Cali beysteen coming from Mexico 

 

2 hours ago, maakhiri1 said:

He is absolutely right, people try to make everything about colonialism,  

Go to Spain, Italy, eastrrn Europe,  you will see what he is talking about

Ar arkaba our very esteemed Reer Galbeedka Yurub members ismoodo Reer Yurub inay yihiin oo qaxootinimadii la ilooway. 

When Yurub was going to these same Afrika, Aasiya, Ameerikas iyo Australia for centuries, yaa casuumay? Iyagaa isgeeyey. Ha adkeystaan markooda, it is only for a few decades now oo yaa isgaaray.

[galbeedi]

Most of the migration to Europe is from west Africa (Sahel region) due to the exploitation of France and East Africa because of the so called war on terror. Although they had some legacy infrastrcture built during Soviet socialism,  Eastern Europeans were poor in 1991, but massive equalization payment from EU membership was invested in infrastructure and other developments.

. imagine if  you are poor dirt Romania or Bulgaria and yoiu gets tens of billions. I was cheking the Euro Fund allocated for many countries due to the Covid 19 and Romania alone got $80 billion. Germany and other larger economies were investing billions to create a middle class and market for their goods.

The same with China. The BRI investment and connecting the world to China ctreated a massive wealth. Some had estimated that the BRI had created $12 Trillion worth of trade. This is something America and Europe will never do for Africa. To create a market and trade with people, you have to invest and build infrastructure which will cost billions, but would create a middle class that could afford your goods.

Furthermore, the chaos wars should stop . THere are no Syrians or Iraqis ever left their countries. And Finally, no one wants to go to eastern Europe, the final destination is usualy UK or Nordic countries.

[maakhiri1]

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 imagine if  you are poor dirt Romania or Bulgaria and yoiu gets tens of billions. I was cheking the Euro Fund allocated for many countries due to the Covid 19 and Romania alone got $80 billion. Germany and other larger economies were investing billions to create a middle class and market for their goods.

You make it as it is win only for Germany,  it is win win, check economic development in Eastern EU countries like Romania, Poland,  very soon they will be as developed as Germany,  it is massive win for EU, and a really good systems,   the best system developed by humans ever. Waa dad sagaal bilood ku dhashay,  aynu cashar iyo kudaysho ka qaadano!

As for Africa,  I don’t buy the issue is always external,  foreign exploitation, how long we blame others , Latin America has similar problems but getting better slowly. 

I was reading economic report from Time magazine from 1969/1970, Somalia was neck and neck race with countries like Malaysia,  South Korea, just watch videos of South Korea in 1970s, it was ghettos, slams. While this time,  Kenya was miles ahead.

What happened??? For me I believe humans need immediate competition,  South Korea for better, copied and mimicked Japan, another key ingredients is stability 

[galbeedi]

I agree. Free market, competition and competent leadership is what made the Asians rich. Besides, they have open access to the richest market in the world, The United State. Yet, no one can ignore the constant meddeling, dictatorship empowering, and resource looting of the developed countries.

When I visited Kampala, Uganda, the main airport was the one built by the British in the sixties. THere were no four lanes higways except the one started by the Chinese. They will tell you that Uganda is a close ally of the US, for what really?

On the EU, of course it is a win win for both, but the rich countries are giving the eastern European backwaters billions of dollars to reach medium level developmenmt. Imagine $10 billion a year of ivestment in the horn, it could transform. Yet, all they talk about is aid. $2 billions were donated to Somalia in 2018/19 alone by EU and US, where did that money go?

Of course blame goes to us Somalis and others. Everyone is trying to regain what they destroyed. When my son asks what is going in Somalia? I simply say: We had free education, free health care, even walking clincs ( Bukaan socod eegto), secure borders and peace, and everyone is trying to gain again what was destroyed. We have been waiting for 30 years just to be able to walk in the streets.

[maakhiri1]

I agree with you,  remember Greece,  in last financial crisis,  some even were suggesting to be kicked out of EU, so corrupt and lazy, they didn't even know how to govern,  Germany bailed them out with billions and manage the economy with them.  I remember one point  they water crisis and yet every house had swimming pool.

Germany and France are up to something