Who are the Tutsis?

[somalee]

There's a traditional Somali song, sung when grinding maize that goes something like: ''..Abaatutsiga abaan u lahayn..'' Can't remember the whole thing. I believe there's something here. Been thinking where a rural Somali lady would learn the word ''Abaatutsiga''. Tis strange

[burahadeer]

The Europeans noticed that some Tutsis had facial characteristics that were generally atypical of other Bantus. They sought to explain these divergent physical traits by postulating admixture with or partial descent from migrants of Caucasoid stock, who usually were said to have arrived in the Great Lakes region from the Horn of Africa and/or North Africa.[3] Some Tutsi also believe they are descendants of the ancient Israelites and had a mystical connection to Israel.[4]

By contrast, the Europeans considered the majority Hutu to be characteristic Bantu people of Central African origin. These various migration theories of foreign provenance were also in part inspired by the Tutsi's own long-held oral traditions asserting that they originally descended from "white" migrants, who subsequently "lost" their original language and culture as they intermarried with the local Bantus. The British explorer John Hanning Speke recorded one such account in his book Journal of the Discovery of the Source of the Nile:[5]

"The governor[...] said he thought the white men were flocking this way to retake their lost country; for tradition recorded that the Wahuma were once half black and half white, with half the hair straight and the other half curly; and how was this to be accounted for unless the country formerly belonged to white men with straight hair, but was subsequently taken by black men?":D:D:D

Beginning about 1880, Roman Catholic missionaries arrived in the Great Lakes region. Later, when German forces occupied the area during World War I, the conflict and efforts for Catholic conversion became more pronounced. As the Tutsi resisted conversion, the missionaries found success only among the Hutu. In an effort to reward conversion, the colonial government confiscated traditionally Tutsi land and reassigned it to Hutu tribes, igniting a conflict that has lasted into the 21st century.[6]

Wikipedia...

 

 

Genetics

 

Modern-day genetic studies of the Y-chromosome suggest that the Tutsi are largely of Bantu extraction (80% E1b1a, 15% B, 4% E3). Paternal genetic influences associated with the Horn of Africa and North Africa are few (1% E1b1b), and are ascribed to much earlier inhabitants who were assimilated . The Tutsi, in general, demonstrate a close ethnic kinship with neighboring Bantu populations, particularly the Hutu.[7]

[...]generations of gene flow obliterated whatever clear-cut physical distinctions may have once existed between these two Bantu peoples -- renowned to be height, body build, and facial features. With a spectrum of physical variation in the peoples, Belgian authorities legally mandated ethnic affiliation in the 1920s, based on economic criteria. Formal and discrete social divisions were consequently imposed upon ambiguous biological distinctions. To some extent, the permeability of these categories in the intervening decades helped to reify the biological distinctions, generating a taller elite and a shorter underclass, but with little relation to the gene pools that had existed a few centuries ago. The social categories are thus real, but there is little if any detectable genetic differentiation between Hutu and Tutsi.[8]

Wikipedia.

 

 

 

[Paternal genetic influences associated with the Horn of Africa and North Africa are few (1% E1b1b), and are ascribed to much earlier inhabitants who were assimilated]

 

 

when assimilation take ova genes???

[somalee]

Coofle;850053 wrote:

Old ladies used to sing while folklore dancing... ((I think it was some version of Saylici))

""Abaa

Tuutsigu

, Edooy waa inaga, Ab baan u lahayn""

I didn't know what they meant by Tuutsiga Till later in my life..the verse made sense since then..

The question is ayaa baray oo u sheegay??

Yes!

[Dr Baraxoow]

Blackflash;850101 wrote:

They're the second closest ethnic group to Somalis after Oromos in terms of genetics. The Rendille are a great example of the contact that Cushitics and Nilotes have had. In fact, the Rendille language is classified as being part of the Macro Somali branch of Cushitic languages.

Rendille might have branched off from the same ancient group Oromos and Somalis and other so called Cushitic speaking groups branched off from.. the only differences being that they been influenced and intermarried with neighboring nilotic groups. Oromos intermarry with nilotics aswell like the Turkana but Somalis don't. To be honest, I don't think Somalis have anything to do with oromos or Rendilles or other Cushitic speaking groups. We're unique...

[Dr Baraxoow]

They're not mixed with Somalis.. waa sheeko been ah. They're Bantu and we're not. Simple as that!

[Dr Baraxoow]

They didn't mix with Somalis but they mixed with Rendille who is a Cushitic speaking group. Thats why approximately 50-65% of Massai males have the E1b1b Y-DNA. This haplogroups is pretty much synonymous with Cushitic speaking groups and Somalis have the highest frequency. However they got this haplogroup through the Rendille and this haplogroup is actually the most common among Massai which makes the majority of Massais closer to Cushitic speaking groups genetically then nilotics.

[oba hiloowlow]

Dr Baraxoow;878322 wrote:

They didn't mix with Somalis but they mixed with Rendille who is a Cushitic speaking group. Thats why approximately 50-65% of Massai males have the E1b1b Y-DNA. This haplogroups is pretty much synonymous with Cushitic speaking groups and Somalis have the highest frequency. However they got this haplogroup through the Rendille and this haplogroup is actually the most common among Massai which makes the majority of Massais closer to Cushitic speaking groups genetically then nilotics.

+1

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Not all Massai carry E1B1B haplogroup that tells you that Masai is mixed ancestry they also carry the Haplogroup A group along with some of the dinka tribes and shiluk and agaws of Ethiopia. Tutsi do not speak an afro assiatic cushetic language they speak a bantu language.

[Carafaat]

Che, Tolka wa ina la so dhaweeyo.

[Ameena]

Somalis are very ignorant people who act and speak without thinking first, Somalis are not cushitic, Somali language is not cushitic, And Somalis are not related to Tutsis, Oromos, Afar, Maasai, Rendille tribe and Beja.

[oba hiloowlow]

ameenah what are somalis then?

[Ameena]

oba hiloowlow;900370 wrote:

ameenah what are somalis then?

 

 

What do you mean by saying what are Somalis then?

 

I hate ignorant people.

[oba hiloowlow]

who are somalis related to then what is your stance on the matter

[GaraadMon]

She likely believes that we we used to be a dark blemish that was removed from a Yemeni man's face and thrown across the red sea.

[brainblaster456]

Ameena;900389 wrote:

What do you mean by saying what are Somalis then?

 

I hate ignorant people.

Somalis by language is Cushitic which is the same stock as Afar, Beja, Oromo, Agaw, Sidamo, Saho ect. When it comes to genetics; Somalis are related to most Borana Oromo's, the people of Khartoum(majority) and other North-east Africans.