Aaliyyah Posted July 31, 2011 I am all for the sharia if its implemented the right way. Of course I am not talking about alshabab and their likes. But, since Somalia will be controlled by the western countries clearly they will be secular Somali State.. but anything is better than killing one another over 20 years and leaving kids orphans, women widows...alle hano sahlo! salaam Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alderman Posted August 19, 2011 SomaliNat: I agree with you 100%! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ailamos Posted September 25, 2011 Xaaji Xunjuf;737669 wrote: Secularism= Kafirnimo Care to elaborate? Is that a fact (substantiated) or an opinion (unsubstantiated)? :confused: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nabad_dadaye Posted September 28, 2011 secular ayaa ka fiican sharia low inuu qof gaal ah yiraahdo waa caadi lalamana yaabayo . hadii adigoo muslim ogna in hadaad tiraahdo secular ayaa fiican oo sharia low waa laga fiican eey gaalnimo ku gaarsiineyso ,waxaad usii wadaa ayaaba is yar , balse hadad warersantahay oo cilmi yari ku heyso baro diintaada adigaa ogaan doona in Allahii ku uumay uu cilmi badan yahay sidaad unoolaan lahayd dastuur ah wuu kuu soo dajiyay , dastuurka Alle dajiyayna lamid ma ahan midka eey adoomadiisa dajiyeen . hadad muslim tahay baro diintaada xaqiiqda waad ogan doontaaye . qofka muslim iska dhigayana laftirkiisa ha aqriyo waxa diinta islaamka sheegeyso ee yuu isku qufulin waxa dadka diinamaha kasoo horjeeda eey faafiyaan . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ailamos Posted October 2, 2011 ailamos;747951 wrote: Care to elaborate? Is that a fact (substantiated) or an opinion (unsubstantiated)? :confused: The above question still remains unanswered. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted October 3, 2011 Why should a country that is 99.99% Muslim be secular? * haven't been through the thread Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Naxar Nugaaleed Posted October 3, 2011 Why would true muslim need the state to tell him/her how he/she should practice their faith? Admit guys, those of you advocating for a religious state are only after forcing your believes on others because deen jaceylkan hadu dhab ethenka yahay,cidina ethenkama hortagna, me thinks its not much to ask live and let live, that is what seculerism is. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted October 3, 2011 ^Is it only secularism that allows people to 'live and let live'? Its one thing advocating for secularism (anyone can advocate for anything) but its quite another explaining why it would be better than a form of Sharia. The age old European renaissance argument doesn't quite fit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ailamos Posted October 3, 2011 N.O.R.F;749329 wrote: ^Is it only secularism that allows people to 'live and let live'? Its one thing advocating for secularism (anyone can advocate for anything) but its quite another explaining why it would be better than a form of Sharia. The age old European renaissance argument doesn't quite fit. That's a good point, and to answer your question, yes! It is only secular societies that allow people to "live and let live". They allow people to do what they want in their lives without fear of punishment. If there is a Shari'ah system in existence today that allows the individual to be free to express and live as they wish, then I would be happy to be proven wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nabad_dadaye Posted October 3, 2011 shareecada islaamka ayaa xifdisay xuriyada qofka ee nolosha iyo wada noolaanshaha , Alle wuxuu leeyahay quraanka '' qofkii dila qof kale ayadoo qisaas ahayn ama dhul fasahaadin udila wuxuu lamid yahay isagoo dilay dunidoo dhan qofkii nooleeya qofna wuxuu la mid yahay inuu dunida han nooleeyay ''micnaha aaayada wax kastoo sharafka qofka naftiisa , caafimaadkiisa ,maalkiisa wax udhimaya walo isagaba ha ahaatee diinta wey diiday xukuna adag ayeyna kasoo saartay . wax kastoo maslaxada qofka ku jirto diinta ayaa kuu sheegtay . walaalaha secular ayaa soomaali ufiican dhahaya . diinta islaamka maxaad ka taqaanaan maxeyna tahay meesha aad leedihin waxey kasoo horjeedaa nolosha ,misana aqriseen diinta islaamka ood xaqiiqsateen waxa aad sheegeysa iney sax yihiin iyo inkale . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ailamos Posted October 3, 2011 Nabad_dadaye;749399 wrote: shareecada islaamka ayaa xifdisay xuriyada qofka ee nolosha iyo wada noolaanshaha Nabad_dadaye;749399 wrote: wax kastoo sharafka qofka naftiisa , caafimaadkiisa ,maalkiisa wax udhimaya walo isagaba ha ahaatee diinta wey diiday xukuna adag ayeyna kasoo saartay . wax kastoo maslaxada qofka ku jirto diinta ayaa kuu sheegtay . These two statements are contradictory. How is it that Shari'ah preserves one's freedom while at the same time telling people how to live their lives? Mushkiladda shareecada waa taas. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nabad_dadaye Posted October 3, 2011 shareecada ayaa kuu sheegeysa kuguna toosineysa sidaad u noolaan laheyd kuna bareyso wadada saxda ah kadibna qofka xoriyad siineyso si uu ku doorto wadada saxda ah ama meeshuu rabo , wada kasta iyo natiijadeedana waalaguu kala cadeeyay . hadaad secular qaadaneyso ood Eebe ku caasineyso waqti ayaad heysataa waad iska noolaaneysaa natiijadaadana waad haysataa . wax iska hor imaad ahna diinta malahan . hadii qof uu suubsado company sharciyana u dagsado ma suuroobeysaa in adigoo shaqaala ka ah shirkadaasi aad diido inaad raacdo shuruucda shirkada ama aad tiraahdo shuruucdan ayaan aniga suubsaday waana ku dhaqmayaa kii shirkadana waan diiday ? inaad shirkadaas sii joogto suurtaa gal matahay ? . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted October 3, 2011 ailamos;749397 wrote: That's a good point, and to answer your question, yes! It is only secular societies that allow people to "live and let live". They allow people to do what they want in their lives without fear of punishment. If there is a Shari'ah system in existence today that allows the individual to be free to express and live as they wish, then I would be happy to be proven wrong. But its not that simple is it? In both systems, people are free to live as they wish within the laws of the land. You can't kill. Murder is punishable in both systems. One adopts the death sentence (if the victim’s family so wishes) and the other doesn't (and they walk free soon afterwards) for example. Secular societies today are in free fall with no morals/values left. Kids are disrespectful, governments unilaterally go to war, high crime etc etc. So what is so good about secularism that the country with the highest percentage of Muslims in the world should adopt it as it's legislative structure? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ailamos Posted October 4, 2011 N.O.R.F;749423 wrote: But its not that simple is it? In both systems, people are free to live as they wish within the laws of the land. You can't kill. Murder is punishable in both systems. One adopts the death sentence (if the victim’s family so wishes) and the other doesn't (and they walk free soon afterwards) for example. Secular societies today are in free fall with no morals/values left. Kids are disrespectful, governments unilaterally go to war, high crime etc etc. So what is so good about secularism that the country with the highest percentage of Muslims in the world should adopt it as it's legislative structure? Norf, please don't generalize. When you say that "Secular societies today are in free fall with no morals/values left. Kids are disrespectful, governments unilaterally go to war, high crime etc etc." it not only is uninformed, but bordering on ignorance. No offense, walaal. The only bit I agree with in that blanketed sentence is the "governments unilaterally go to war", but there are still many exceptions because secular societies are not confined to the US and certain Western European countries. As to the death penalty, I'm not getting into that because that's a whole different can of worms N.O.R.F;749423 wrote: So what is so good about secularism that the country with the highest percentage of Muslims in the world should adopt it as it's legislative structure? That is what we are debating about, and apparently there are arguments for both sides. I believe Muslims can live in a secular system as well as they can in a Shari'ah system, but the opposite is not true. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
burahadeer Posted October 4, 2011 If you want sharia,that's what Shabab stands for.I don't think anyone with his right mind can stand interference from gov't on how they live their life. Sharia is unacceptable to the great majority of people & you know & see that.For the sake of argument, you can keep trying proving othawise. At the end of the day it's only accomplished by force by quite a few....and it's not going to happen atleast in somalia...they can keep maiming people! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
