Atheism/Lets talk about GOD!

[Naden]

LOL, scrawny?? That is the nicest thing I've heard all week. My love handles thank you.

 

I've just witnessed a dizzying discussion with one party an ardent Lamarckian. It seems like the 18th century was just yesterday.

[N.O.R.F]

Naden,

 

One will read-up when time permits. In the meantime I would still like some sort of response from you and others on the Human/Ape argument. Are you in the same camp as Raamsade?

[Abtigiis]

It is clear the sister is heading that way, if she isn't there already. Didn't you see how she described the Quran and the sarcam about ambiguity?

 

I personally think this kind of debate is worthless. I don't like Mullahs who twist science and other developments to try to fit it to one Hadeeth or Aayah in the Quran. I think that is not fair, for I think they are not obliged to compete with science.

 

The existence of God cannot be proven scientifcally and religion is not about logic and science. It is about belief. I believe and hence God exists. I am a muslim and I therefore accpet what the Quran says in its entirity. In the end, the benefits of believing outwieghs what can be achived by not believeing in anything.

[N.O.R.F]

^Bal u kaadi ninyow. The discussion on God will follow (in another thread). Will you take part?

[Naden]

Norfsky, I am not really sure what sort of answer you're searching for when you haven't examined some of the evolutionary evidence yourself. Even a wiki and some googling maybe better than nothing at this stage.

 

Since we share nearly 95% of our DNA with present day chimpanzees, is it so far fetched that we would have a common ancestor? There is evidence of the genus, Homo, across several continents, and it is thought to have branched off from a common ancestor approximately 5-7 million years ago.

 

I'll give you an example of a debate that has been raging among muslim scholars in the face of this evidence. Abdel-Saboor Shaheen, a Muslim Scholar and well-known Daciya, waged a war of sorts in the early 90s against some Muslim scientists who agreed that early versions existed of today's man. He argued that these theories contradicted religious texts' conception of Adam (much like what his Christian counterparts do).

 

In 1998, he did a turnabout and published a book called 'My Father Adam' where he contends that Adam, the first creature, may NOT be Adam, the nabi, mentioned in the Quran.

 

I read the book when it came out and it is very thin on science. And there is a strong suspicion that a seminal part is lifted directly from a more learned Syrian scholar. Nonetheless, Shaheen essentially agrees that present man evolved from 'less-formed' series of ancestors.

 

This complete turnabout earned him the expected wrath of other muslim scholars and daciya. Fortunately for him, the very writers he was accusing of kufr and testifying against in courts came to his aid with support. Curiously, he continues to wage his takfeeri war against anyone with whom he disagrees.

 

One or two Muslim scholars are now postulating that the appearance of Homo Sapiens (sapien is Latin for intelligent) is nafkh el-roh into the less intelligent ancestor. They argue that this is how God preferred Adam's lineage over others.

 

Frankly, Norf, and please don't take offense with this but I'm not sure what you can gain from engaging in evolution discussions when you're so woefully misinformed.

 

I say use this passion that you have to gain some insights based on knowledge. Others may learn something from you as well.

 

Abtigiis & Tolka , I would truly respond to you if I believed that anything you had written above was worth a response. That is not to say that I am not amused by your cosmic insurance policy.

[Somali09]

Originally posted by Abtigiis & Tolka:

 

I personally think this kind of debate is worthless. I don't like Mullahs who twist science and other developments to try to fit it to one Hadeeth or Aayah in the Quran. I think that is not fair, for I think they are not obliged to compete with science.

 

In the end, the benefits of believing outwieghs what can be achived by not believeing in anything.

Unless people stop believing in the Quran literally, Islam will always be in competition with Science.

 

What benefits am i missing out on for being an Atheist?

[Abtigiis]

Naden, just because you imbibed evolutionary theories and believe in 'man came from chimpanzie' nonesense doesn't mean you are talking sense either. I have no passion for speculative science too. What you say is nothing more than a brilliant speculation of a scientist. In this context, I don't see any difference of this scientist from a prophet. None of them offer irrefutable concerete evidence.

 

And by the way, I told you before, modesty is a virtue. If you could be what you are today even before you become a flying bio-chemist, I don't know what you will be when you become one.

 

It looks you measure one's knowledgibility on how many anthropology books he read, when the fact is I am full of disdain for this field of study. Like history, it fills your head, but has little practical use. If you don't believe in anything outside the metaphysical world, good for you but don't try to rub it in our nose.

 

Anyway, that is not the issue. My cosmic inurance policy or what I call Iiman is helping me to be a good person in this world whatever happens in the next.

 

Somalia09,

I don't know what you are missing. But life without faith must be so void. Me thinks.

[Naden]

^ Abtigiis & Tolka, I insist that your posts are much more amusing and creative when discussing Viagra or drive-by coitus in Ramadan.

 

Nabad iyo caano, champ?

[Abtigiis]

I just told you to be modest. I agree I am second rate in apostasy and atheism discussions.

[Naden]

Abtigiis & Tolka, inadeer (note the conciliatory tone in my greeting). How did you come to accuse me of immodesty in this long thread out of all the contributors on different sides of the discussion?

 

Again, nabad iyo caano

[NGONGE]

^^ The problem with clever girls is that they bury their heads in books and never notice the amorous signals of A&T.

 

Warya A&T, don't disrupt a good thread.

[Naden]

Ngonge, I noticed the ol' pull-the-ponytail trick but I was in too much of a camel-milk-debate mode . A&T is cool, and much too smart not to participate in this discussion fully (after some basic imbibing of evolutionary theories).

[NGONGE]

^^ You've had your ponytail pulled before I see.

 

Expertly dealt with.

[genius pauper.]

hi ALL SOLERS,............. .

[genius pauper.]

why aint you asking this,,,,,,,,,if we, humans of today evolved from ape, where did that ape came from?

and my worry is about natural selection,...was it a once process and is no longer there?? or is it a continuous process which still is unfolding??

if it was and not in function now, why did it stop? and if it is continuing who is co-ordinating its operation?

 

what really necessitated the process to occur?

wont anyone not think that it is an injust process by the fact that only the fittest survive and those unable to adapt to the prevailing conditions perish?

 

~~~~^^^^^a principle of the sciences of theology and jurisprudence is this: that a probability not originating from any indication or sign has no importance;it cannot induce doubt in a matter that is definite. it cannot shake the certainty that is based on sound judgement^^^^^^^^