QUANTUM LEAP Posted January 20, 2005 I have been thinking alot about what Somalia's regional divides are like. I would like to know where every clan happens to be living and who claims which region. It would be great if any of you who well conversant to take part in this exercise as it would show who is who and where interms of region and land. The reason for this is bse one I have no clue who lives where and who claims what. We already have more than 296 memebers of parliament. So would this mass of MPs be representing us all and where would you put them on the map. So please for those of you who know please try and share what you know if not draw and mark the map according to regional claim and ofcouse stick on the representatives. After the above exercise we can see who does what and where. The power they wield interms of support too. Please no fanfaan nor durbaan tuumis just bare facts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
- Femme - Posted January 20, 2005 ^^Im so glad you brought this up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-Serenity- Posted January 20, 2005 I cant help u there shaqsi, but it would be a brilliant idea if that map was interactive and we could curve out our own regions and post. I want that northern most tip. No1 else can claim it now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Muhammad Posted January 21, 2005 greetings to all. here two pictures that may help. do you think they are accurate? peace! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QUANTUM LEAP Posted January 21, 2005 Thanks for your responses especially the above brother who has managed to find agrid for the different regions and the people thought to live in those areas. I believe the above grid was structured by a foreigner. It would also be great if people who have vastly travelled throughout the country to come up with information whatever it is. If possible name the different MPs in exile chosen to represent these regions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sheherazade Posted January 21, 2005 Thank you for bringing this up QL. Bare facts without the emotions. I'm printing that baby out, thanks Muad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rudy-Diiriye Posted January 21, 2005 this is simply wrong!! :confused: Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Som@li Posted January 21, 2005 Well done Muad, i think this will benefit many including me, to know more abt the country,and see how the 4.5 formula is divided,lol. For those who can read somali,these may help. wadankeenu wuxuu ka kooban yahay 18 gobol iyo degmooyin tiro badan waana kuwan 1-Awdal:- wuxuu ka kooban yahay afar degmo oo kala ah baki boorame ,oo caasimada gobolka ah lug hayo zaylac 2-Banaadir oo magaalo madaxda muqdisho waxay ka kooban tahay sidaan anigu u hayo 15 degmo waana kuwan cabdi casiis boondheere xamar jajab xamar weyne hawl wadaag heliwaa ama huri waa hodan kaaraan shangaani shibis waaberi wada jir wardhiigley yaaqshiid dharkeynley 3-gobolka Bari isaguna wuxuu ka kooban yahay 11 degmo boosaaso oo caasimada ah calawla badarbeyla rako ufayn waaciyaq qandala qardho xaafuun isku shuban 4- gobolka togdheer oo isaguna ka kooban afar degmo burco waa caasimada buuhoodle shiikh oodweyne 5- gobolka sool wuxuu isaguna ka kooban yahay afar degmo laas caanood waa caasimada gobolka caynabo xudun taleex 6-galguduud wuxuu isna ka kooban yahay sideed degmo. dhuusa mareeb oo caasimada gobolka ah cadaado alad balanbale ceelbuur ceeldheeren caabud waaq gel hareeri 7-gobolka hiiraan wuxuu isna ka kooban yahay shan baladweyne waa caasimada gobolka buula barde jalalaqsi masax matabaan 8-gobolka gedo wuxuu isna ka kooban yahay lix degmo garbahaarey oo caasimada gobolka ah baardheere beledxaawo doolow ceelwaaq luuq 9-waqooyi galbeed wuxuu isaguna ka kooban yahay afar degmo hargeysa oo caasimada gobolka ah dacar budhuq ber bera gebilay 10-gobolka mudug isaguna wuxuu ka kooban yahay shan degmo gaalkacayo oo caasimada gobolka ah galdogob xara dheere hobiyo jiriiban 11-shabeelada dhexe wuxuu ka kooban yahay todobo degmo jawhar oo caasimada gobolka ah balcad mahadaay cadale aadan yabaal warshiikh run rugood 12-shabeelada hoose wuxuu ka kooban yahay todoba degmo marka oo caasimada gobolka ah afgooye aw-dhiigle baraawe kuntiwaarey qoryooley sablaale 13-gobolka Bay wuxuu ka kooban yahay shan degmo baydhabo waa caasimada gobolka buurxakabo diinsoor qansaxdheere bardaale 14-gobolka bakool wuxuu isna ka kooban yahay shan degmo xudur waa caasimada gobolka ceelbarde rab dhure tiyeglow biyooley 15-jubada dhexe wuxuu ka kooban yahay afar degmo bu'aale oo caasimada ah dujuma jilib saakow 16-sanaag wuxuu ka kooban yahay afar degmo ceerigaabo waa caasimada gobolka ceel afweyn laasqoray badhan 17-jubada hoose wuxuu ka kooban yahay shan degmo kismaanyo oo caasimada ah afmadow badhaadhe xagar jamaame 18- nugaal wuxuu ka kooban yahay afar degmo garoowe waa caasimada gobolka dangorayo ayl burtinle Courtesy: Asad Cadaani Ibraahim Ixabaal e-mail acadaani@yahoo.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coloow Posted January 21, 2005 This is utter nonsense. There is no map that could objectively present the geographical location of somali tribes. A small geographical area in somalia is populated by a cocktail of tribes. The map shown above contains only a few "tribes". You can't compare a tribe with a sub-tribe which is the case with the above map. Show me an average somali town where there is a single "tribe". The so called 4.5 formulae does not represent somali tribes. It is made of proxy tribes, historical BS, hear-says and does not consitute the reality. Ciid wanaagsan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QUANTUM LEAP Posted January 21, 2005 This is utter nonsense. There is no map that could objectively present the geographical location of somali tribes. A small geographical area in somalia is populated by a cocktail of tribes. The map shown above contains only a few "tribes". You can't compare a tribe with a sub-tribe which is the case with the above map. Show me an average somali town where there is a single "tribe". The so called 4.5 formulae does not represent somali tribes. It is made of proxy tribes, historical BS, hear-says and does not consitute the reality. Caaqil bro you just cant dismiss what people are trying to learn and call it BS. Im sorry but if you havent got anything to say then perhaps you shouldnt say anything. Some of us are trying to learn something here and yes there are clans that are the majority in each region and Im not talking subclans in this case. Ofcouse people have moved around agreat deal as most nomads do but then again there are claims to geographical regions as indicated by the MP's selected in each area. For your information right now the Somali parliament is based on Clans and should be seen as it is. If you have an alternative to the above 4.5 then perhaps you can tell us what you think rather than come with such knee jerk and shallow response. Oh by the way we only have one tribe and that is somali. However, we do have a cocktail of clans spread all over. tnx Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QUANTUM LEAP Posted January 21, 2005 This is alittle bit outdated but for discussion purposes and luck of alternatives, here is another map along the lines of languages spoken in the country. Spoken living languages ARABIC, STANDARD [ABV] Classification: Afro-Asiatic, Semitic, Central, South, Arabic. More information. BONI [bOB] Few if any, in Somalia (1991). Classification: Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic, East, Rendille-Boni. More information. BOON [bNL] Jilib District, Middle Jubba Region, scattered in the bush and live in settlements of 2 or 3 houses with their closest relatives. Alternate names: AF-BOON. Classification: Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic, East. Nearly extinct. More information. DABARRE [DBR] 20,000 to 50,000 (1992). Spoken by the Dabarre clan around Dhiinsoor District, May Region, and the Iroole Clan in nearby Baraawe District, Lower Shabeelle Region, and in Qansax Dheere. Alternate names: AF-DABARRE. Dialects: DABARRE, IROOLE (AF-IROOLE). Classification: Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic, East, Somali. More information. ENGLISH [ENG] Classification: Indo-European, Germanic, West, English. More information. GARRE [GEX] 50,000 or more (1992). Possibly several hundred thousand in the ethnic group. Dominate areas of southern Somalia, especially in the Wanle Weyn-Buur Hakaba area; Baydhaba, Dhiinsoor, Buurhakaba, and Qoryooley districts; Middle and Lower Shabeelle and Bay regions. Alternate names: AF-GARRE. Classification: Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic, East, Somali. More information. JIIDDU [JII] 20,000 to 60,000 (1992). Lower Shabeelle Bay and Middle Jubba regions, Qoryooley, Dhiinsoor, Jilib, and Buurhakaba districts. Alternate names: JIDDU, AF-JIIDDU. Classification: Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic, East, Somali. More information. MAAY [QMA] 500,000 to 1,000,000 (1992). 700,000 to 1,500,000 including the Digil dialects or languages. Southern Somalia, Gedo Region, Middle and Lower Shabeelle, Middle and Lower Jubba, Baay, and Bakool regions. Alternate names: AF-MAAY TIRI, AF-MAAY, AF-MAY, AF-MAYMAY, RAHANWEEN, ********* . Dialects: AF-HELLEDI. Classification: Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic, East, Somali. More information. MUSHUNGULU [XMA] 20,000 to 50,000 (1992). Southern Somalia, Jamaame District of Lower Jubba Region, centered in Jamaame District, and some in urban areas in nearby Kismaayo and in Muqdisho. Alternate names: KIMUSHUNGULU, MUSHUNGULI. Classification: Niger-Congo, Atlantic-Congo, Volta-Congo, Benue-Congo, Bantoid, Southern, Narrow Bantu, Central, G, Zigula-Zaramo (G.30). More information. OROMO, BORANA-ARSI-GUJI [GAX] Gedo Region. Alternate names: SOUTHERN OROMO. Dialects: BORANA (BOORAN, BORAN). Classification: Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic, East, Oromo. More information. SOMALI [sOM] 5,400,000 to 6,700,000 in Somalia (1991). Population total all countries 9,472,000 to 10,770,000. Alternate names: AF-SOOMAALI, AF-MAXAAD TIRI, COMMON SOMALI, STANDARD SOMALI. Dialects: NORTHERN SOMALI, BENAADIR, AF-ASHRAAF (ASHRAAF). Classification: Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic, East, Somali. More information. SWAHILI [sWA] 40,000 Baraawe in Somalia (1992). The Mwini live in Baraawe (Brava), Lower Shabeelle, and were scattered in cities and towns of southern Somalia. Most have fled to Kenya because of the civil war. The Bajun live in Kismaayo District and the neighboring coast. Dialects: MWINI (MWIINI, CHIMWIINI, AF-CHIMWIINI, BARWAANI, BRAVANESE), BAJUNI (KIBAJUNI, BAJUN, AF-BAJUUN, MBALAZI, CHIMBALAZI). Classification: Niger-Congo, Atlantic-Congo, Volta-Congo, Benue-Congo, Bantoid, Southern, Narrow Bantu, Central, G, Swahili (G.40). More information. TUNNI [TQQ] 20,000 to 60,000 (1992). Lower Shabeelle and Middle Jubba regions, Dhiinsoor, Baraawe, and Jilib districts. Alternate names: AF-TUNNI. Classification: Afro-Asiatic, Cushitic, East, Somali. More information. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coloow Posted January 21, 2005 QUANTUM LEAP, There are thousands of us out there who have emancipated our minds in regards to primitive tribalism. Marka saaxib, the 4.5 formulae is not a valid one. In addition sxb, at a time when somalis are begining to cure the cancer of tribalism, I find it weird that we introduce and to a certain extent promote this cancer by introducing a thread (on the intellectual discussion section!!) My calling the map "utter nonsense" could be sourced to the above. In addition, the map details the geographical location of certain clans. The map could indeed be intepreted as a map of one somali tribe. Look at the name under the words "southern" somalia"- or the one near Baidoa or somaliland. If the tribes of D/M, H****, Is**** could be divided in the same way as the other tribes have been detailed, there would be no place on the map to write. I have been to somalia on several occassions the last few years, and you may like to know that there is hardly any town which is 100% domiciled by one particular tribe. Anyway, my deep felt appology if you or anyone felt my objection was based on anything but the accuracy of the map. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
QUANTUM LEAP Posted January 21, 2005 Brother Caaqil forgive me for saying this but what is this cancer you are talking about? This discussion needs to be discussed or would you rather wrap it and put under your bed. The above topic is meant to enlighten people like me and many others who havent been back home. We need to know what is what and where. The aim of this dicussion is in no way aimed at polarising what you call the cancer but to understand our people, where they live, languages and culture we have. This is a smart debate rather than the usual tit for tat kinda chit chats we tend to adhered to around here. Not discussing issues regarding our heritage would be alose to say the least. We need embrace information that hasnt been provided by somalis themselves but from foreign resources. I also believe what we are discussing here are realities rather than make belief. I can understand where you are aiming you thoughts but this thread has been merely opened for educational purposes. I can point out worser threads in which many participated but wont get into that brother. You should be happy to learn about what you may not know just as my virgin brain is embracing this information I had no clue about. On apolitical point of view, the reality is that there are hundreds of MPs that have been preselected and it wouldnt be so bad to know what they represent and who. Many thanks for your contribution. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted January 21, 2005 ^^^^ I think Caaqil's opposition is to the above map and the way it shows the spread of one clan within Somalia without showing a similar breakdown for the other clans! I trust that the brother has been a bit hasty with his conclusion. If he waits for a few days, I'm sure others would have furnished us with similar maps with "different" breakdowns. As great as this topic is, I fear that we will have to sift through a lot of rubbish to reach our final destination! So, fasten your seatbelts and have your senses of humour at the ready, people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rudy-Diiriye Posted January 22, 2005 Rudy do you really think what you are writing is helpful or are you trying to start trouble here? [ January 21, 2005, 09:15 PM: Message edited by: QUANTUM LEAP ] Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
